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Fossil Record not consistent with Global Flood

Loudmouth

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Certain books, letters and other written stuff.

I am asking for evidence that the written stuff is true.

The Bible has been proving itself to be accurate on many things.

A story does not prove itself. You need independent evidence.

No evidence to suggest it is not.

Burden of proof fallacy.
That's true.
But when there's proof of accuracy of a book that claims to be written history, the things that are not (yet)proven gain credibility, even if it's "unbelievable" to modern day readers.

But all you have offered as proof is to repeat the story.
 
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You haven't offered a single ounce of evidence that Noah grew a single grape.

Then tell us WHEN magical evolution evolved the ability to get wine from grapes. It didn't happen before 11k years ago since evolution does NOT make wine, no matter how smart you think it is. If it did, Apes would have been really drunk when the Ark arrived.
 
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You have never backed this up with any evidence. All you do is repeat the claims in the Bible and pretend as if that is evidence. It isn't.

A good example is the Scientific Fact that life cannot exist without liquid water since the cells within our bodies MUST have liquid water or die. On the 5th Day, God the Trinity commanded that every living creature that moveth be CREATED and brought forth from Water. Gen 1:20-21

Do you disagree? Or do you invoke magical generation to explain? Go ahead and try but I can promise you that you cannot explain WHERE life came from Today, let alone Billions of years ago? Amen?
 
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A good example is the Scientific Fact that life cannot exist without liquid water since the cells within our bodies MUST have liquid water or die. On the 5th Day, God the Trinity commanded that every living creature that moveth be CREATED and brought forth from Water. Gen 1:20-21

Where is your evidence that God commanded anything?

Do you disagree? Or do you invoke magical generation to explain? Go ahead and try but I can promise you that you cannot explain WHERE life came from Today, let alone Billions of years ago? Amen?

Still waiting for you to present evidence to back your claims.
 
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There never was a tower of babel
<Staff Edit> The foundation for the Tower of Babel is still there. They call them Ziggurats. You have to look at the material they used and what they needed to do to build high back then. In the last few hundred years we have Iron so we can build a lot higher then they could back when they only had stone to work with. So we have yet another example of where people claim something does not exist based on the fact that they have not studied it and know nothing about it.

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MOD HAT ON

EVERYONE present:
FACTS - Scientific DATA - INTERPRETATION of data - with SOURCES.

If YOUR interpretation of DATA supports or disproves a Global Flood, say so respectfully.

Do not call each other (or each other's sources) "liars", "unscientific" or any other derogatory term or implication.

If your post is missing it's for this reason.


MOD HAT OFF
 
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<Staff Edit> The foundation for the Tower of Babel is still there. They call them Ziggurats. You have to look at the material they used and what they needed to do to build high back then. In the last few hundred years we have Iron so we can build a lot higher then they could back when they only had stone to work with. So we have yet another example of where people claim something does not exist based on the fact that they have not studied it and know nothing about it.

ZigguratEanna2.png

Just because a large ancient building was found does not mean that the tower of Babel has been found. There are several large ancient buildings out there, were they all the Tower of Bable?
 
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<Staff Edit> The foundation for the Tower of Babel is still there. They call them Ziggurats. You have to look at the material they used and what they needed to do to build high back then. In the last few hundred years we have Iron so we can build a lot higher then they could back when they only had stone to work with. So we have yet another example of where people claim something does not exist based on the fact that they have not studied it and know nothing about it.
The existence of Ziggurats is not denied by anyone with even passing knowledge of the history and archaeology of that part of the world. Do you have any evidence that any of these Ziggurats is the The Tower of Babel as portrayed in the Bible?
 
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The existence of Ziggurats is not denied by anyone with even passing knowledge of the history and archaeology of that part of the world. Do you have any evidence that any of these Ziggurats is the The Tower of Babel as portrayed in the Bible?

IF it is the real Tower of Babel, it will be found in Northern Mesopotamia, the land between the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers, which was easily accessed by walking from Lake Van, Turkey, in the mountains of Ararat. The Tower of Babel in Babylon was built much later than the original.

The Tower was built in an attempt for Noah's (Human) descendants to avoid being scattered over the whole Earth among the savages. (sons of God/prehistoric people). Gen 11:3 They KNEW that Noah had escaped Adam's world into our world because as the firmament sank it released the Ark into our world. The Humans attempted to build a tower high enough to escape their terrible future among heathens.

The descendants of Noah failed but Today has produced some 7 Billion living Humans (descendants of Adam) who have the DNA and ERVs of the common ancestor of Apes...AND....the unique superior intelligence of God (Gen 3:22) which ONLY Adam's descendants have inherited. You are born Human or NOT, but there are NO evolved Apes among us.

God's Truth MUST agree with the True discoveries of Science and History or it is NOT God's Truth. <staff edit>
 
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God's Truth MUST agree with the True discoveries of Science and History or it is NOT God's Truth. <staff edit>

When your interpretation of the Bible is contradicted by science, you ignore the science.
 
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When your interpretation of the Bible is contradicted by science, you ignore the science.

Science is only fooling itself that it disproves the flood. Just like Global warming and ToE.<staff edit>
 
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You just proved my point.

No, I did not. Your point is that the False ToE is the Truth but you cannot tell us how or when this <staff edit>event took place. You can't tell us how Mindless Nature produced superior intelligence in Apes and you look silly trying once the Truth is known. The entire ToE is premised on an incorrect view that Human life began on Planet Earth and that is False and NOT Science. Want to see empiric historic testable Truth which AGREES? Amen?
 
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No, I did not. Your point is that the False ToE is the Truth but you cannot tell us how or when this <staff edit>event took place. You can't tell us how Mindless Nature produced superior intelligence in Apes and you look silly trying once the Truth is known. The entire ToE is premised on an incorrect view that Human life began on Planet Earth and that is False and NOT Science. Want to see empiric historic testable Truth which AGREES? Amen?
We are in the Discussion and Debate portion of the forum, in the sub-section entitled Physical and Life Sciences. Making a series of unsubstantiated assertions does not constitute debate and it fails as effective discussion.

What do you mean by asking, when did "this <staff edit> event take place"? There is no event. There are many millions of small single steps. Evolution is a process, not a revolution. What aspect of this do you find unconvincing? Why do you think it is an event, not a process?

Do you realise that only a tiny percentage of evolutionists have any professional interest in the evolution of humans?
 
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No, I did not. Your point is that the False ToE is the Truth but you cannot tell us how or when this <staff edit> event took place.

Ever since there has been life, there has been evolution, observably so. Even most creationists admit that new species evolve over time.

You can't tell us how Mindless Nature produced superior intelligence in Apes and you look silly trying once the Truth is known.

So your argument is that God couldn't create a world where nature produced us? <staff edit>
The entire ToE is premised on an incorrect view that Human life began on Planet Earth

That's a testable claim. Where, in Darwin's book does it say that? <staff edit>
 
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No, I did not.

Yes you did. You stated that the theory of evolution is false because it disagrees with the Bible.

Your point is that the False ToE is the Truth but you cannot tell us how or when this <staff edit>event took place.

How: mutations filtered through natural selection.

When: Over the last 5 million years.

This has been shown to you on multiple occasions.
 
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Yes you did. You stated that the theory of evolution is false because it disagrees with the Bible.



How: mutations filtered through natural selection.

When: Over the last 5 million years.

This has been shown to you on multiple occasions.

<staff edit>However we'll just need to agree to disagree, because i could sit here all day and debate about how science cannot even read 80% of human DNA let alone track the origins of man with it, and how the fossils that they use are not actually human links, but you would just keep disagreeing. So my friend we'll need to agree to disagree.
 
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<staff edit>

However we'll just need to agree to disagree, because i could sit here all day and debate about how science cannot even read 80% of human DNA . . .

Over 95% of the human genome has been sequenced.

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v409/n6822/full/409860a0.html

let alone track the origins of man with it,

Use of the human, gorilla, chimp, and orangutan genome sequences to track man's evolution:

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v469/n7331/full/nature09687.html

and how the fossils that they use are not actually human links, but you would just keep disagreeing.

You have yet to show what features these fossils are missing that a real link would have. All you have is denial.
 
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