Unbelief, is it a sin?

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

unproductive response, please delete.

 

[PsychoeDial]

Lack of belief would preclude any articles of faith applying.

 

[Patmos]

Good question answer

Can you answer this ? If so then please do so.

 

[Patmos]

So your answer to the op is, "no."

Thanks, but it would have been much easier to just say no.

A few post up someone said unbelief is the unpardonable sin!

Yet we are all born totally depraved, dead in trespasses and sin, leaving our mother's womb "obnoxious and odious in the sight of God"(Calvin's Institutes) - therefore born with unpardonable sin. Yet some get saved (some call this minority 'the elect'!). How is unpardonable sin pardonable ?

 

[Foghorn]

Can you answer this ? If so then please do so.

Answer what?

 

[Foghorn]

A few post up someone said unbelief is the unpardonable sin!

Yet we are all born totally depraved, dead in trespasses and sin, leaving our mother's womb "obnoxious and odious in the sight of God"(Calvin's Institutes) - therefore born with unpardonable sin. Yet some get saved (some call this minority 'the elect'!). How is unpardonable sin pardonable ?

First, my understanding is no saint would or could blaspheme the Holy Spirit.

I think it's your assumption we are born with unpardonable sin, I don't see that teaching anywhere in scripture. I do believe however, it can be applied to one who dies without Christ. If one is not saved from sin by the blood of Christ, how else can his sin be pardoned?

I appreciate your questions.

 

[Patmos]

Answer what?

What is he wrestling with if he is dead and unable to perceive (Presumably as predestined by God)?

 

[Foghorn]

What is he wrestling with if he is dead and unable to perceive (Presumably as predestined by God)?

Did you notice my reply?
I said,
"likewise if you are wrestling with the faith, that is good too. It is a sign of God's grace to you."

When I asked you the question above it was for your clarification of your reply.

 

[Foghorn]

What is he wrestling with if he is dead and unable to perceive (Presumably as predestined by God)?

John 6:44 may be an explanation of this situation. But only God knows for sure.

 

[Patmos]

First, my understanding is no saint would or could blaspheme the Holy Spirit.

I am of the same opinion. Have a rage and big strop yes. Blaspheme - no.

I think it's your assumption we are born with unpardonable sin, I don't see that teaching anywhere in scripture.

No, I am sure I read it from a poster in this thread, which is why I mentioned it. Also - Quoting from a a book I am reading which has a chart comparing Calvinism and Arminianism..
Under Predestination it says " ....By God's eternal decree, he foreordained eternal life for his chosen and damnation for those who reject him". Fine, but then,

Under the Freewill heading it has "By God's common grace, they can make some good choices but cannot choose to believe in Jesus Christ.

So, God foreordained eternal damnation to those who rejects him (fine) but disables man from choosing to accept him. Something missing , I think.

I appreciate your questions.

And I yours.

 

[Foghorn]

I am of the same opinion. Have a rage and big strop yes. Blaspheme - no.

No, I am sure I read it form a poster in this thread, which is why I mentioned it.

Ok.

Also - Quoting from a a book I am reading which has a chart comparing Calvinism and Arminianism..
Under Predestination it says " ....By God's eternal decree, he foreordained eternal life for his chosen and damnation for those who reject him". Fine, but then,

Ok....

Under the Freewill heading it has "By God's common grace, they can make some good choices but canot choose to believe in Jesus Christ.

Which I agree with.

Also a good topic for another thread.

So, God foreordained eternal damnation to those who rejects him (fine) but disables man from choosing to accept him.

I think that is part of God's secret council, at least some details of it.

Something missing , I think.

Even in that teaching I do not believe you will find the words unpardonable sin, though we may see it as a conclusion.

 

[nobdysfool]

A few post up someone said unbelief is the unpardonable sin!

Yet we are all born totally depraved, dead in trespasses and sin, leaving our mother's womb "obnoxious and odious in the sight of God"(Calvin's Institutes) - therefore born with unpardonable sin. Yet some get saved (some call this minority 'the elect'!). How is unpardonable sin pardonable ?

That's a very good question. I see people saying unbelief is the unpardonable sin, and I scratch my head, because if that is so, then no one can be saved. What part of the word "unpardonable" is unclear to them?

Clearly, they do not understand what the unpardonable sin is. It is NOT unbelief. And let's be clear, we are talking about "in this life", because after death, no sins will be pardoned.

 

[toLiJC]

So, according to you if someone is not saved (because of unbelief) it's not sin?
Is unbelief justifiable?

why mustn't any non-believer be saved only because they are non-believers?!, if the non-believer is harmless/inoffensive for the rest of the inhabitants of the eternal paradise, then why not to be saved?!

Blessings

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

I disagree with the idea that proof has to be a subjective concept. There are objective standards for these things when considering a scientific hypothesis, why not apply them?

We are not talking about something corporeal that can be determined by scientific instruments. We are not talking about facts but a system of beliefs that can not be independently verified by those who are looking at the issue objectively. This has to do with the supernatural world and not the natural world and the only facts that are determinable to the skeptic is the reverence the Christian community grants God.

The scientific community will never accept God on a professional basis because they don't have the technology or instrumentation that will identify him.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

The bible commands to repent and believe.

Faith is a gift of God's grace and is supernatural and miraculous.
Perhaps you do have faith but your being taught something which is not scriptural?
If you have faith it is a sure sign the Holy Spirit is upon you, and therefore rejoice!
Likewise if you are wrestling with the faith, that is good too. It is a sign of God's grace to you.

Dude your preaching when she asks for something substantive. That's like telling someone that doesn't believe in either God or Hell that if they don't believe then they are going to hell.

 

[EmSw]

I think that is part of God's secret council, at least some details of it.

And who would be so presumptuous to say they know anything about God's SECRET council? If anyone knows, then it is no longer a secret.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Our wisdom, in so far as it ought to be deemed true and solid Wisdom, consists almost entirely of two parts: the knowledge of God and of ourselves. But as these are connected together by many ties, it is not easy to determine which of the two precedes and gives birth to the other. - John Calvin Calvin's Institutes chapter 1​

A true knowledge of self is sometimes a better starting point than knowledge of God, when dealing with skeptics. Rather than trying to get a peak of the "naked God" which no mortal can do and live, which is why there is an intentional hiddenness to God, one should first look inside and judge themselves. Only a sinner needs a savior, and the only God we have was nailed to a cross for sinners.

In other words, there is no possible abstract knowledge of God. He simply will not allow it. He is only revealed in Christ. He is the Way, Truth & Life. A search for God will take us to the foot of a cross, not the far reaches of Heaven.

 

[EmSw]

Our wisdom, in so far as it ought to be deemed true and solid Wisdom, consists almost entirely of two parts: the knowledge of God and of ourselves. But as these are connected together by many ties, it is not easy to determine which of the two precedes and gives birth to the other. - John Calvin Calvin's Institutes chapter 1​

A true knowledge of self is sometimes a better starting point than knowledge of God. Rather than trying to get a peak of the "naked God" which no mortal can do and live, which is why there is an intentional hiddenness to God, one should first look inside and judge themselves. Only a sinner needs a savior, and the only God we have was nailed to a cross for sinners.

In other words, there is no possible abstract knowledge of God. He simply will not allow it. He is only revealed in Christ. He is the Way, Truth & Life. A search for God will take us to the foot of a cross, not the far reaches of Heaven.

OUR wisdom is to be deemed true and solid? Really? Wisdom comes from God, and not man. What will man find within his own wisdom? Is there any good within man's wisdom? Will he find the wisdom of God? Will he find the secret things of God within his own wisdom?

Do you believe man will seek God to be taken to the foot of the cross? Can man within his own wisdom seek for God?

 

[jimmyjimmy]

OUR wisdom is to be deemed true and solid? Really? Wisdom comes from God, and not man. What will man find within his own wisdom? Is there any good within man's wisdom? Will he find the wisdom of God? Will he find the secret things of God within his own wisdom?

Do you believe man will seek God to be taken to the foot of the cross? Can man within his own wisdom seek for God?

You may want to reread the Calvin quote. You've got it all wrong.

 

[Foghorn]

Dude your preaching when she asks for something substantive. That's like telling someone that doesn't believe in either God or Hell that if they don't believe then they are going to hell.

Biblical facts are the best answers when it come to God and belief, is it not?

How were you saved, human wisdom, or by hearing the gospel?