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.Why would I be required to refute claims that you already admit are unfounded?
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.Why would I be required to refute claims that you already admit are unfounded?
Ehhh, im getting the exact opposite vibe from the OP's post. A person who seeks to draw closer to God asks totally different questions. This guy has purposely shut out all the ways a believer could prove Gods existence. What ever his motives or intensions are they can't be of any good. Im leaning more towards redleghunters post where he stated "Some have said entertainment value."
Did I use the word "require"? Here is an opportunity; either take or decline.Why would I be required to refute claims that you already admit are unfounded?
Read the Koran and see if your god is "true".
Moving the thread to this location prevents the OP from commenting, presumably due to a rule regarding the number of posts needed to be able to post in Christian Apologetics.
Allah is not my God. Jesus is my God. They say they believe the Bible yet their Quran contradicts it.
He claimed without offering even one solid and reasoned example.
I'm off to Easter practice so will look at these when I get back. It's best to suggest "alleged" contradictions because often the objector isn't familiar with the Bible beyond a surface understanding. I'll wager that's part of the problem here.The Zedekiah contradiction (short version)
1. Josiah had four sons, and they are listed in order of birth (1 Chronicles 3:15). In order, they are Johanan, Jehoiakim/Eliakim, Zedekiah, and Shallum/Jehoahaz.
2. Jehoahaz is 23 years old when he begins to reign, and reigns for 3 months (2 Kings 23:31,2 Chronicles 36:2).
3. Jehoiakim succeeds Jehoahaz (2 Kings 23:33-34, 2 Chronicles 36:4).
4. Jehoiakim is 25 years old when he begins to reign, and reigns for 11 years (2 Kings 23:36, 2 Chronicles 36:5).
5. Jehoiakim is succeeded by Jehoiachin, who reigns for 3 months (2 Kings 24:6-8, 2 Chronicles 36:8-9).
6. Jehoiachin is succeeded by Zedekiah (2 Kings 24:17, 2 Chronicles 36:10).
7. Zedekiah was 21 years old when he became king, and reigns for 11 years (2 Kings 24:18, 2 Chronicles 36:11).
8. The chronological progression from 2. to 7. tells us that Jehoahaz is 23 years old (2.) + 3 months (2.) + 11 years (4.) + 3 months (5.) = 34.5 years old (or at least would be if he were alive) at the same time that Zedekiah is 21 years old. But 1. from the very top tells us that Jehoahaz is Zedekiah's younger brother. Therefore Zedekiah is younger than his younger brother, a contradiction.
QED
The Zedekiah contradiction (long version)
1. Josiah had four sons, and they are listed in order of birth (1 Chronicles 3:15). In order, they are Johanan, Jehoiakim/Eliakim, Zedekiah, and Shallum/Jehoahaz.
1a. Jehoiakim=Eliakim (2 Kings 23:34, 2 Chronicles 36:4).
1b. Shallum=Jehoahaz (2 Kings 23:30,Jeremiah 22:11).
2. Jehoiakim had two sons (1 Chronicles 3:16), one of whom is named Zedekiah.
3. Note the important distinction which I will maintain: Zedekiah in bold is the son of Josiah, and Zedekiah with the underscore is the son of Jehoiakim.
"Zedekiah" was 21 years old when he became king and reigned 11 years (2 Kings 24:18). First assume this is referring to Zedekiah.
I. Jehoahaz is 23 years old when he begins to reign, and reigns for 3 months (2 Kings 23:31,2 Chronicles 36:2).
II. Jehoiakim succeeds Jehoahaz (2 Kings 23:33-34, 2 Chronicles 36:4).
III. Jehoiakim is 25 years old when he begins to reign, and reigns for 11 years (2 Kings 23:36, 2 Chronicles 36:5).
IV. Jehoiakim is succeeded by Jehoiachin, who reigns for 3 months (2 Kings 24:6-8, 2 Chronicles 36:8-9).
V. Jehoiachin is succeeded by Zedekiah (2 Kings 24:17, 2 Chronicles 36:10).
VI. Zedekiah was 21 years old when he became king, and reigns for 11 years (2 Kings 24:18, 2 Chronicles 36:11).
VII. The chronological progression from I. to VI. tells us that Jehoahaz is 23 years old (I.) + 3 months (I.) + 11 years (III.) + 3 months (IV.) = 34.5 years old (or at least would be if he were alive) at the same time that Zedekiah is 21 years old. But 1. from the very top tells us that Jehoahaz is Zedekiah's younger brother. Therefore Zedekiah is younger than his younger brother, a contradiction.
Now assume it is Zedekiah that reigns.
Then this contradicts the prophecy given that Jehoiakim will have no offspring reign after him (Jeremiah 36:30), since Zedekiah is his son. And this is not a "bounce" on the throne because he reigns for 11 years.
QED
By the way, it turns out that it is Zedekiah. Jeremiah 37:1 confirms this.
I'll address this. Most forums have statements of purpose. If a member starts a thread or posts in a forum where they are not allowed to post, it's staff's right and responsibility to deal with the thread or post. Had the OP read the SoP, he would not have started the thread there. Had he read the SoP for this forum, he would know the requirements. Once he's met the requirements, he can post here.Moderators really need to stop moving threads to places where the OP cannot comment. I feel that is a huge detriment to the site, especially to those seeking God (not saying the OP is or is not seeking God).
What good does this site do, if someone who doesn't know God wanders in, posts about trying to find Him, and the thread gets moved to some spot he or she can't respond to? There's the chance that they'll just shrug and leave and go look for answers elsewhere.
Awhile back, one of my threads got moved and it took me nearly a week to be able to actually participate in my own thread that I started, because of this issue. This really really shouldn't be happening, to be quite honest.
I think there is evidence that supports an Intelligent Being created the universe and life within it. If that is supported well enough, then one has to go further and determine what Being that might be.
- No anecdotes (personal events)
- No long commentaries.
- Use scientific evidence.
- Preaching is not evidence, but simply restating your claim.
- No circular logic. (Bible is true because it says so.)
Like Conan, I would probably reply that my GOD is greater than your god..............Let me ask you this, if I was a Muslim and I told you that my god was true and I did not present any evidence, what would you say?
- No anecdotes (personal events)
- No long commentaries.
- Use scientific evidence.
- Preaching is not evidence, but simply restating your claim.
- No circular logic. (Bible is true because it says so.)
http://christianthinktank.com/zed2old.html
Check that out.
I have to go to work but I'll be back to say more.
I think there is evidence that supports an Intelligent Being created the universe and life within it. If that is supported well enough, then one has to go further and determine what Being that might be.
- No anecdotes (personal events)
- No long commentaries.
- Use scientific evidence.
- Preaching is not evidence, but simply restating your claim.
- No circular logic. (Bible is true because it says so.)