What think ye? :)

[dfw69]

Wouldn't that be like not being there when the spring feasts were fulfilled? We have an opportunity to be there "spiritually" when the fall feasts are going to be fulfilled.... if you don't observe,.. would you miss out?

im still looking and waiting for my spring feast to be fulfilled .

Passover from death to life by partaking in the first resurrection

the day of first fruits when the first fruits of the dead in Y'shia are raised from the dead ..

Counting the Omer to the day Jews and Gentiles one in body are taken to heaven

Shavuot the day Y'shia returns in the sky to call down to his people to change the living into immortality .. To fulfill his promise .. To call us up to meet him for our faith in the great 2 laws that has made peace between Jew and Gentiles to be one nation

if we are correct ..we will be witnessing the fall feast in his presence in heaven ...we will partake in the fall feast as his body ..as he will ... for we are his body.. we are one with him...all made possible by his blood and work on the cross .. The promises are in him ...

 

[dfw69]

Brother, why dont you read scripture for yourself? The only feast that has a curse applied to it is if you fail to observe the Passover. To do so the punishment is to be cut off from Israel.

Numbers 9:13-14 But the man who is clean and is not on a journey, and yet neglects to observe the Passover, that person shall then be cut off from his people, for he did not present the offering of the LORD at its appointed time. That man will bear his sin. 14 ‘If an alien sojourns among you and observes the Passover to the LORD, according to the statute of the Passover and according to its ordinance, so he shall do; you shall have one statute, both for the alien and for the native of the land.’”

So the fear is being cut off...I observe The Passover in a different way ...Y'shia is my Passover sacrifice .. I observe his Passover by honoring his teachings he has shown me ...

Brother if you believe Y'shia is your Passover and trust in him you will not be cut off for the promises are in him

 

[visionary]

So the fear is being cut off...I observe The Passover in a different way ...Y'shia is my Passover sacrifice .. I observe his Passover by honoring his teachings he has shown me ...

Brother if you believe Y'shia is your Passover and trust in him you will not be cut off for the promises are in him

To observe the Passover, you as a male, need to be circumcised in heart and in body.

 

[dfw69]

To observe the Passover, you as a male, need to be circumcised in heart and in body.

So from a messianic view circumcised heart is not enough? K thanks peace sis..

 

[visionary]

So from a messianic view circumcised heart is not enough? K thanks peace sis..

That is not a requirement by MJ, that is something the Lord will have to convict you on....

 

[pat34lee]

But I have a question ... What happens if you fail to keep the feast days?... Is there a curse for not observing the feast of God?

We are under curses when we fail to try to keep
the law. That is not punishment, but more a cause
and effect thing. Hit your shin and you get a bruise.
Defy the laws of Yahweh and curses will follow you.
Deuteronomy 28:15-68

There is something similar in the NT.

1 Corinthians 11
27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

If we do not judge ourselves, be sure Yahweh will.

 

[dfw69]

That is not a requirement by MJ, that is something the Lord will have to convict you on....

My conviction is to keep the faith that Y'shia fulfilled the law for me...to be circumcised in the flesh is to make Y'shia work to none effect ..I will have shipwreck my faith ..

.I choose to be a son of Joseph by adoption ..my father Joseph has circumcised my heart to love sinners and never judge and condemn them...like my grandfather Joseph who did not judge and condemn his wife Mary when he found her with child but decided to put her away private ..

Like great grandfather Joseph some of my brothers don't believe me .. Want to kill me by their law ...call me a dreamer... Think of me of all manner of evil because I love sinners...because I love the sacrifice of Y'shia ...they want to sell me into slavery ...they want to put me in a pit .. Because hate is in their heart.. A heart of stone ...not a heart of flesh ..no mercy .. Those who show no mercy will receive no mercy ... Because we all reap what we sow ..

Hope you now understand why I cannot be circumcised .. Peace to you vis...I know you mean well

 

[dfw69]

We are under curses when we fail to try to keep
the law. That is not punishment, but more a cause
and effect thing. Hit your shin and you get a bruise.
Defy the laws of Yahweh and curses will follow you.
Deuteronomy 28:15-68

I believe it's true only if you place yourself under its power...Y'shia said he became a curse for us ...he placed himself under its power and paid it for me.. I do not have to place myself under its curse anymore .. That is what I believe ..

There is something similar in the NT.

1 Corinthians 11
27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

If we do not judge ourselves, be sure Yahweh will.

I know you believe being worthy means observing 10 commandments ...

I believe being worthy means keeping the faith ...the faith that Y'shia fulfilled the law for me....

 

[visionary]

im still looking and waiting for my spring feast to be fulfilled .

Passover from death to life by partaking in the first resurrection

the day of first fruits when the first fruits of the dead in Y'shia are raised from the dead ..

Counting the Omer to the day Jews and Gentiles one in body are taken to heaven

Shavuot the day Y'shia returns in the sky to call down to his people to change the living into immortality .. To fulfill his promise .. To call us up to meet him for our faith in the great 2 laws that has made peace between Jew and Gentiles to be one nation

if we are correct ..we will be witnessing the fall feast in his presence in heaven ...we will partake in the fall feast as his body ..as he will ... for we are his body.. we are one with him...all made possible by his blood and work on the cross .. The promises are in him ...

So you do not think Yeshua is the Passover lamb fulfilling the spring Passover, and the first fruits fulfillment is found in Yeshua's resurrection?? I am a little confused by your statement im still looking and waiting for my spring feast to be fulfilled .

 

[dfw69]

So you do not think Yeshua is the Passover lamb fulfilling the spring Passover, and the first fruits fulfillment is found in Yeshua's resurrection?? I am a little confused by your statement im still looking and waiting for my spring feast to be fulfilled .

Hashem has saved Israels firstborn on Passover and set all of Israel free from Egypt power and authority .. They were slaves then they we free

Then on Passover hashem sent his only begotten son to be a sacrificial lamb ...because of this... Y'shia made a way to save his firstborn from the power of the law .. To set them free from its bondage ...we are his firstborn sons he has adopted in the new covenant .. We were slaves now we are free...the work is done .. But the promise is not fulfilled

In the future the promise will be completed ...for on Passover hashem will complete his promise.. He will raise the dead, his firstborn (the church) on the day of first fruits to give them eternal life and new bodies... They will witness for 49 days gathering his church those that put their trust in Y'shia work ...then on Shavuot Y'shia will appear to fulfill his promise for keeping his 2 laws ..to take his church to heaven to give them new bodies and eternal life ...this is what I believe will yet happen

 

[visionary]

Hashem has saved Israels firstborn on Passover and set all of Israel free from Egypt power and authority .. They were slaves then they we free

Then on Passover hashem sent his only begotten son to be a sacrificial lamb ...because of this... Y'shia made a way to save his firstborn from the power of the law .. To set them free from its bondage ...we are his firstborn sons he has adopted in the new covenant .. We were slaves now we are free...the work is done .. But the promise is not fulfilled

In the future the promise will be completed ...for on Passover hashem will complete his promise.. He will raise the dead, his firstborn (the church) on the day of first fruits to give them eternal life and new bodies... They will witness for 49 days gathering his church those that put their trust in Y'shia work ...then on Shavuot Y'shia will appear to fulfill his promise for keeping his 2 laws ..to take his church to heaven to give them new bodies and eternal life ...this is what I believe will yet happen

So spring time feasts are the only thing that repeats for both His first coming and His second?? So what are the fall feasts for??

 

[dfw69]

So spring time feasts are the only thing that repeats for both His first coming and His second?? So what are the fall feasts for??

He will come for his church those found worthy to escape the wrath to come ...to meet them in the sky to take his firstborn to heaven to present them a kingdom in heaven a new Jerusalem built in heaven .. That is the firstborn destination for obedience to his

But the fall feast will be fulfilled when Hashem will seek out those elect who keep the commandments of Hashem and have the testimony of Y'shia .. When he will fulfill his promise to Israel to save them from the wrath to come ...for many will miss the boat the first time because of unbelief but will be given a second chance ... This second chance takes place when Y'shia comes with his saints who have been martyred during the tribulation to establish a kingdom on earth and reign for 1000 years ...

 

[visionary]

He will come for his church those found worthy to escape the wrath to come ...to meet them in the sky to take his firstborn to heaven to present them a kingdom in heaven a new Jerusalem built in heaven .. That is the firstborn destination for obedience to his

But the fall feast will be fulfilled when Hashem will seek out those elect who keep the commandments of Hashem and have the testimony of Y'shia .. When he will fulfill his promise to Israel to save them from the wrath to come ...for many will miss the boat the first time because of unbelief but will be given a second chance ... This second chance takes place when Y'shia comes with his saints who have been martyred during the tribulation to establish a kingdom on earth and reign for 1000 years ...

This second chance... can you show me where it is in His prophecies in the feasts themselves?.. after all they are a "shadow of things to come".

 

[pat34lee]

I believe it's true only if you place yourself under its power...Y'shia said he became a curse for us ...he placed himself under its power and paid it for me.. I do not have to place myself under its curse anymore .. That is what I believe ..

I believe being worthy means keeping the faith ...the faith that Y'shia fulfilled the law for me....

That is because you start at the New Testament and use it
as a basis for reading the Old Testament. That is backwards.
There was no New Testament during the times of Jesus, the
disciples and Paul. Everything was taught from the scriptures,
which means the Old Testament alone. From that came the
books of the NT, and they all must agree with the OT and Torah.

See what you think of Isaiah 56:1-8. It is talking about the soon
to come restoration of the tribes of Israel and other believers.
Note that the Sabbath is HIS day, not Judah's.

 

[dfw69]

That is because you start at the New Testament and use it
as a basis for reading the Old Testament. That is backwards.
There was no New Testament during the times of Jesus, the
disciples and Paul. Everything was taught from the scriptures,
which means the Old Testament alone. From that came the
books of the NT, and they all must agree with the OT and Torah.

See what you think of Isaiah 56:1-8. It is talking about the soon
to come restoration of the tribes of Israel and other believers.
Note that the Sabbath is HIS day, not Judah's.

Soon? As in our lifetime?... No bro what is to come soon is a false messianic age first ...the test to see who truly loves the lord ..a line will be drawn in the sand

.. I believe the Jews will produce their messiah first .. If so .. What will MJ's do if another son of David rules from Jerusalem who is not yeshua ?....will some go to war with Israel ? Will some submit to their rule? Will some fall away from the faith? ..It's a test

If we continue to keep the faith and wait on him then we must be warn of the second test ... A man who will seek to destroy Israel and gather the nations against the kingdom of Judah

 

[dfw69]

So spring time feasts are the only thing that repeats for both His first coming and His second?? So what are the fall feasts for??

I do not know how Hashem will fulfill the fall feast ... It may have to do with his second coming to earth to establish his kingdom .. The fall feast are for those who keep the commandments of Hashem but also have the testimony of Y'shia

The whole reason of all the feast is to make one people willing to live together in new Jerusalem ...Y'shia will teach the world how to enter into that kingdom when he returns to reign 1000 years ...after the 1000 years new Jerusalem will come down

As for the second chance ... Does not Hashem give people a second change to offer Passover if they were not able to make the first Passover ?

 

[dfw69]

That is because you start at the New Testament and use it
as a basis for reading the Old Testament. That is backwards.
There was no New Testament during the times of Jesus, the
disciples and Paul. Everything was taught from the scriptures,
which means the Old Testament alone. From that came the
books of the NT, and they all must agree with the OT and Torah.

See what you think of Isaiah 56:1-8. It is talking about the soon
to come restoration of the tribes of Israel and other believers.
Note that the Sabbath is HIS day, not Judah's.

It's not backwards .. The New Testament was always the original plan ... That which Is first ( the Old Testament)shall be last ... And the last ( New Testament ) first (born)

Like the twins in the bible to see who was first born and one baby who hand push out his hand and they tied the cord was firstborn but then the other baby came out first


Before Abraham was ...I am says Y'shia in John 8:58 ....and if he was before Abraham it's safe to say he was before the Moses covenant ... That Y'shia is the one and only true firstborn and his new covenant the original plan ..

The plan is to make a way for us to be redeemed from sin and death so that we may live with the father ... The only way that is possible was for him to free us from the law that condemns us because all have sinned..now that he has accomplish his task ... He is able to change us to become the sons of Hashem to be like the Angels ... Through his power we will be change to become like him ... It is a gift ...it's a trade his body for our body....and we will sin no more ....I await my transformation to be a son of Hashem ..peace and love

I believe it is this gospel that had him rejected by man .... Man cannot believe that Hashem is able to set us free from the power of the law ... But rather the law be our taskmaster forever ...yet Hashem in his great love has fulfilled the law for us and has obtained the righteousness and promises and is able to give to them that simply ask for the kingdom of heaven Luke 12:32

 

[visionary]

Soon? As in our lifetime?... No bro what is to come soon is a false messianic age first ...the test to see who truly loves the lord ..a line will be drawn in the sand

.. I believe the Jews will produce their messiah first .. If so .. What will MJ's do if another son of David rules from Jerusalem who is not yeshua ?....will some go to war with Israel ? Will some submit to their rule? Will some fall away from the faith? ..It's a test

If we continue to keep the faith and wait on him then we must be warn of the second test ... A man who will seek to destroy Israel and gather the nations against the kingdom of Judah

How long do you thin the false messianic age will last?
How about a 3 1/2 year period? That would be soon and could easily be in our lifetime.

 

[dfw69]

How long do you thin the false messianic age will last?
How about a 3 1/2 year period? That would be soon and could easily be in our lifetime.

Im thinking the false messianic will last long enough to build the temple ..enlarge Israel borders ..Babylon the city rebuilt ..and 10 kingdoms form and Israel lost sheep returns to the promise land....so quite a while

.. Y'shia said " many" false messiahs will come .. So it's possible that the sons of David may rule for a few generations ...

What Kind of impact will that false messianic age do the religions of the world?...

Then when it seems all is put down .. There will come the final antichtist an Assyrian who the Gentiles will get behind seeking to destroy Israel completely ..all the prophecies of the lands will take place during these days ...Israel will flee and Hashem will seal 144000 (the firstborn of Israel) ...and they will be caught up to heaven just before the flood of armies come in ..then Hashem will send Enoch and Elijah to witness ..

 

[pat34lee]

Soon? As in our lifetime?... No bro what is to come soon is a false messianic age first ...the test to see who truly loves the lord ..a line will be drawn in the sand

.. I believe the Jews will produce their messiah first .. If so .. What will MJ's do if another son of David rules from Jerusalem who is not yeshua ?....will some go to war with Israel ? Will some submit to their rule? Will some fall away from the faith? ..It's a test

If we continue to keep the faith and wait on him then we must be warn of the second test ... A man who will seek to destroy Israel and gather the nations against the kingdom of Judah

You are describing the tribulation. The Christians will
be looking for a free ride out, yet it won't happen. The
antichrist will gather power and rule for a few years,
and then will come the true return of Yeshua, and the
millennial reign. The Gog-Magog war will be at the end
of that 1000 years. Then a new heaven and earth.