Where is a "6000 year old earth" found in scripture?

[Riberra]

Problem is....God didn't use the BB as you seem to suggest.

The BB is the consequence ...
The material universe does not came into existence from nothing.
God is the primary energy by which the material universe came into existence.
Matter is energy transformed.God used a part of His energy to create the material universe and that is God's energy which keep the material universe into existence.... this is the mysterious "Dark Energy" that the Astrophysicists talk about to explain the expansion of the universe since the moment of its creation by God about 13,5 Billion years ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initial_singularity

 

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The BB is the consequence ...
The material universe does not came into existence from nothing.
God is the primary energy by which the material universe came into existence.
Matter is energy transformed.God used a part of His energy to create the material universe and that is God's energy which keep the material universe into existence.... this is the mysterious "Dark Energy" that the Astrophysicists talk about to explain the expansion of the universe since the moment of its creation by God about 13,5 Billion years ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initial_singularity

Hey, go for it...but it's not what your bible teaches.

 

[Riberra]

Hey, go for it...but it's not what your bible teaches.

It is very unlikely that God which is eternal have decided to create the Universe only 6,000 years ago...

The Bible tell us that the Earth became a desolation ...a ruin in Genesis 1:2
http://www.worldeventsandthebible.com/2009/11/world-that-then-was-age-of-earth.html

Genesis 1:1
1 “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”

Does it say when the beginning was? Absolutely not. This event did not take place six-thousand years ago, but eons ago. This scripture is describing the “themelios“, the foundation of the Heaven and earth in The World That Was, The First Earth Age.

Further, science tells us the earth is billions of years in age and when we properly understand our Father’s Word there is no contradiction with that statement.

Genesis 1:2
2 “And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.”

Between verses one and two we have the passing of a very large amount of time. In verse one we are told, “God created the Heaven and the earth” (“themelios”). In verse two we are told, “the earth was without form and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep“. Essentially this verse is documenting the “katabole” which includes the destruction of The First Earth Age.

This scripture is also where we find the first mistranslation in the King James Version Bible. The word “was” is 1961 in your Strong’s Concordance and being properly translated means, “became“. This change in words completely alters the scriptures. The word“was” implies that God created the earth void which we know is not accurate and we will completely document that fact as we move through this study.

While the word “became” stipulates an event caused the earth to ‘become without form and void’. That event was the “katabole“, the “deposition” or “cast down” of Satan from his position of power in The First Earth Age.

Our Father did not create the earth “without form” (tôhû in Hebrew) which is word 8414 in your Strong’s, meaning, “a desolation“. Neither did He create the earth “void” (bôhû in Hebrew 922) meaning, “an undistinguishable ruin“, but it did “become” that way because of the fall of Satan. So verse two properly translated means, we have a world that ‘became a desolation, became an undistinguishable ruin‘. If it became void then it was something else before, God’s Word states the world was created as a habitable paradise.

 

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The Bible tell us that the Earth became a desolation ...a ruin in Genesis 1:2
http://www.worldeventsandthebible.com/2009/11/world-that-then-was-age-of-earth.html

The gap theory again.
Anyway...here's a bunch of translations....they all disagree with you. None of them even suggest the "Earth became a desolation"

 

[Riberra]

The gap theory again.
Anyway...here's a bunch of translations....they all disagree with you. None of them even suggest the "Earth became a desolation"

None of these translations even bother to consider the original Hebrew words.
Our Father did not create the earth “without form” (tôhû in Hebrew) which is word 8414 in your Strong’s, meaning, “a desolation“. Neither did He create the earth “void” (bôhû in Hebrew 922) meaning, “an undistinguishable ruin“,

http://www.worldeventsandthebible.com/2009/11/world-that-then-was-age-of-earth.html



American Standard Version
And the earth was waste and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep: and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.


Darby Bible Translation
And the earth was waste and empty, and darkness was on the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

English Revised Version
And the earth was waste and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep: and the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

 

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It is very unlikely that God which is eternal have decided to create the Universe only 6,000 years ago...

The Bible tell us that the Earth became a desolation ...a ruin in Genesis 1:2
http://www.worldeventsandthebible.com/2009/11/world-that-then-was-age-of-earth.html

I was bouncing aound the site you linked. Found an error..

The site said: Cain was not the son of Adam. Cain was the son of Satan.

The bible says: Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, saying, “I have gotten a man with the help of the LORD.”

 

[Riberra]

I was bouncing aound the site you linked. Found an error..

The site said: Cain was not the son of Adam. Cain was the son of Satan.

The bible says: Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, saying, “I have gotten a man with the help of the LORD.”

Look in Genesis 5 and you will notice that Cain is not mentionned by God in the genealogy of Adam.There must be a good reason for that.

Genesis 5
1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth: 4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters: 5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

6 And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos: 7 And Seth lived after he begat Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters: 8 And all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years: and he died.

 

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None of these translations even bother to consider the original Hebrew words.
Our Father did not create the earth “without form” (tôhû in Hebrew) which is word 8414 in your Strong’s, meaning, “a desolation“. Neither did He create the earth “void” (bôhû in Hebrew 922) meaning, “an undistinguishable ruin“,

http://www.worldeventsandthebible.com/2009/11/world-that-then-was-age-of-earth.html



American Standard Version
And the earth was waste and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep: and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.


Darby Bible Translation
And the earth was waste and empty, and darkness was on the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

English Revised Version
And the earth was waste and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep: and the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

You have shown nothing except a strange twist.

Here's what the bible say...1In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.2The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters

 

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Look in Genesis 5 and you will notice that Cain is not mentionned by God in the genealogy of Adam.There must be a good reason for that.

Genesis 5
1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth: 4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters: 5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

6 And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos: 7 And Seth lived after he begat Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters: 8 And all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years: and he died.

Cain wasn't in the linage through whom Jesus would be born. Why should Cain be there?



Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph,

Heli,Matthat, Levi, Melki, Jannai, Joseph,Mattathias, Amos, Nahum, Esli, Naggai,Maath, Mattathias, Semein, Josech, Joda,Joanan, Rhesa, Zerubbabel, Shealtiel, Neri,Melki, Addi, Cosam, Elmadam, Er,Joshua, Eliezer, Jorim, Matthat, Levi,Simeon, Judah, Joseph, Jonam, Eliakim,Melea, Menna, Mattatha, Nathan, David, Jesse, Obed, Boaz, Salmon, Nahshon,Amminadab, Ram, Hezron, Perez, Judah,Jacob, Isaac, Abraham, Terah, Nahor,Serug, Reu, Peleg, Eber, Shelah,Cainan, Arphaxad, Shem, Noah, Lamech,Methuselah, Enoch, Jared, Mahalalel, Kenan,Enosh, Seth, Adam, God.

Luke 3:23 Mary’s linage

Should Cain be in Lukes linage?

 

[Riberra]

You have shown nothing except a strange twist.

Here's what the bible say...1In the beginning God created the heavens
and the earth.


2The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters

This scripture is where we find the first mistranslation in the King James Version Bible. The word “was” is 1961 in your Strong’s Concordance and being properly translated means, “became“. This change in words completely alters the scriptures. The word“was” implies that God created the earth void which we know is not accurate and we will completely document that fact as we move through this study.

While the word “became” stipulates an event caused the earth to ‘become without form and void’. That event was the “katabole“, the “deposition” or “cast down” of Satan from his position of power in The First Earth Age.

http://www.worldeventsandthebible.com/2009/11/world-that-then-was-age-of-earth.html

 

[katerinah1947]

You have shown nothing except a strange twist.

Here's what the bible say...1In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.2The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters

Hi,

I am not in this conversation. This is between you two.

However, if what we call the surface of the earth today, was with no valleys and no mountains, when the earth like that was formless and void, possibly meaning no land was yet above the more than mile thick water that would today cover such a planar or flattened earth, then back then no light would hit the surface as light pretty much starts to be zero at about 200 feet with our eyes.

Plausibly, a flat earth surface, with water above it, would satisfy, dark, formless and void.

Tectonic plate activity, made the mountains and the valleys, both in the ocean and out of it.

LOVE,

 

[Riberra]

Cain wasn't in the linage through whom Jesus would be born. Why should Cain be there?

Thats right .But i am sure you don't know the reason why God have decided that .Let the Bible reveal it.

Cain’s children push forth Satan’s evil agenda which we know as the negative in God’s Word.

In Genesis 5 Adam’s genealogy is given of which Cain is not a part. That is because Cain was Satan’s son not Adam’s son.

Paul would give us a second witness to the events in the Garden. Please turn your Bibles with me to,

2 Corinthians 11:2
2 “For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.“

The return of our Lord and Savior is the Great Wedding and we are to be a spiritual virgin for it. Paul would give us warning as Satan will appear first claiming to be Christ.

2 Corinthians 11:3
3 “But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.”

We previously documented the serpent is Satan, but let us do it once more. The word “serpent” is Strong’s word 3789 in the Greek and it means “especially Satan.” The word “beguiled” is Strong’s word 1818 in the Greek and it means “to seduce wholly” when you wholly seduce a woman it means you had sex with her. The serpent, Satan wholly seduced Eve thereby removing her virginity and impregnating her. This is the point Paul is convening to us.

Our third witness is Jesus Christ who also taught Satan brought children into the world. We can document that in Matthew 13 with the parable, tares of the field. Christ gave the parable to the multitude, but He explained the literal meaning of it privately to the disciples as it is not for everyone to understand the whole truth of God’s Word.

Before we dig into this parable we must make note of the word “seed” in this 13th chapter of Matthew. In the verses preceding 24 the word “seed” is “speirō“, 4687 in your Strong’s Concordance and it means,

Probably strengthened from G4685 (through the idea of extending); to scatter, that is, sow (literally or figuratively): – sow (-er), receive seed.

In those verses we can document the word “seed” is referencing seed for growing food. However, the word “seed” as spoken by Christ concerning the tares in verses 24, 27, 37 and 38 is “sperma“, 4690 in the Strong’s and it means,

From G4687; somethng sown, that is, seed (including the male “sperm”); by implication offspring; specifically a remnant (figuratively as if kept over for planting): – issue, seed.

“Male sperm, offspring!” This is why it is very important to use the Strong’s Concordance with your studies. We are not talking about vegetable seeds, sperm does not equate to vegetables and vegetables do not have offspring. We are talking about the very seed of man, sperm, not vegetable seeds friends. What is man’s sperm used for, what does it do, think about this for a moment.

A mans sperm plus a woman’s egg gives you a child in the flesh. This is extremely important, these are not my words but the Words of Jesus Christ. Can you hear the Words of Christ, can you understand His speech?

With that said, let us listen to the parable that Christ spoke before the multitude.

Matthew 13:24
24 “Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:”

“Seed,” here is male sperm not vegetable seed. Do you have ears to hear?

Matthew 13:2-29
25 “But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.“

We cannot gather up the tares as Christ said, or the good wheat will be pulled up with the tares, meaning innocent people could die. Tares look nearly identical to wheat as they grow in the field. The tares are only discernibly different when they put forth their fruit which is a vile poisonous seed. Just as Cain and Abel, they were both flesh and blood men, but when they brought forth fruit we could see Cain’s fruits were vile while Abel’s were righteous. Do you have eyes to see?

Matthew 13:30
30 “Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.”

What we just read was the parable as spoken before the multitude.

Matthew 13:34-35
34 “All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:

35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.“

As we have documented, Christ spoke in parables because it is not meant for everyone to understand the whole truth of God’s Word. This is the other half of the Key of David and God’s Elect will understand. Christ thought this subject was so important, He is going to give the literal meaning of this parable to those who have eyes to see and ears to hear. Pray once again asking God for wisdom and understanding.

Matthew 13:36
36 “Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.“

Listen, Christ is about to give us the literal meaning of the parable.

Matthew 13:37-42
37 “He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.”

40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”

Those are the very Words of Jesus Christ. Remember, the word “seed” in these verses is “sperma,” we are talking about male sperm. Christ just explained to us Satan’s “seed“, his sperm brought forth children who live among the children of God in the world today. Because of their evil fruit, their works, they shall be gathered by the angels of Christ and cast into the lake of fire at the end of this earth age. It does not get any more plain than that.

Do you know them? Do you know who the children of Satan are?

Matthew 13:42
43 “Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.”

The righteous children of God shine forth as we are the children of light. We ensure our lamps have oil allowing them to burn continually, providing the very light which dispels the darkness that has covered this “mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints,” (Colossians 1:26).

 

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While the word “became” stipulates an event caused the earth to ‘become without form and void’. That event was the “katabole“, the “deposition” or “cast down” of Satan from his position of power in The First Earth Age.

http://www.worldeventsandthebible.com/2009/11/world-that-then-was-age-of-earth.html

Ezekiel 28 informs us Satan was in Eden prior to his fall.

'Thus says the Lord GOD, "You had the seal of perfection, Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. 13"You were in Eden, the garden of God; Every precious stone was your covering: The ruby, the topaz and the diamond; The beryl, the onyx and the jasper; The lapis lazuli, the turquoise and the emerald; And the gold, the workmanship of your settings and sockets, Was in you. On the day that you were created They were prepared.14"You were the anointed cherub who covers, And I placed you there. You were on the holy mountain of God; You walked in the midst of the stones of fire 15"You were blameless in your ways From the day you were created Until unrighteousness was found in you.16"By the abundance of your trade You were internally filled with violence, And you sinned; Therefore I have cast you as profane From the mountain of God. And I have destroyed you, O covering cherub, From the midst of the stones of fire.

 

[Riberra]

Ezekiel 28 informs us Satan was in Eden prior to his fall.

Ezekiel 28 inform us that Satan's fall occured very long time before the Garden of Eden.But that is right that Satan was in the Garden of Eden.Satan is the serpent and the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil.

http://worldeventsandthebible.com/2014/09/satans-sin.html

 

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This scripture is where we find the first mistranslation in the King James Version Bible. The word “was” is 1961 in your Strong’s Concordance and being properly translated means, “became“. This change in words completely alters the scriptures. The word“was” implies that God created the earth void which we know is not accurate and we will completely document that fact as we move through this study.

The common translation of the word in the bible is...was. Yes, sometime the word is translated as became..but not very often.
When the word is translated the normal usage of the word is used unlss there is a compelling reason to translate it as became rather than ..was. The compelling reason will be within the context of the text. There is no compelling reason to translate the word was as became. The bible doesn't speak of a pre-earth...so to speak...that was destroyed and remade. Some people like the "became" translation because it allows them to believe in an old earth.

 

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Satan's fall occured a long time before the Garden of Eden.But that is right that Satan was in the Garden of Eden.Satan is the serpent and the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil.

http://worldeventsandthebible.com/2014/09/satans-sin.html

The verse I presented showed Satan in the garden of Eden in an unfallen state. That verse alone is enough to descredit your belief.

 

[Riberra]

The common translation of the word in the bible is...was. Yes, sometime the word is translated as became..but not very often.
When the word is translated the normal usage of the word is used unlss there is a compelling reason to translate it as became rather than ..was. The compelling reason will be within the context of the text. There is no compelling reason to translate the word was as became. The bible doesn't speak of a pre-earth...so to speak...that was destroyed and remade. Some people like the "became" translation because it allows them to believe in an old earth

You would be right if the word -was- was the only word in litige but in the text we have also the Hebrew words (tôhû in Hebrew)which is word 8414 in your Strong’s, meaning, “a desolation“
AND
the word (bôhû in Hebrew 922)meaning, “an undistinguishable ruin“[/QUOTE]

 

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Thats right .But i am sure you don't know the reason why God have decided that .Let the Bible reveal it.

Cain’s children push forth Satan’s evil agenda which we know as the negative in God’s Word.

In Genesis 5 Adam’s genealogy is given of which Cain is not a part. That is because Cain was Satan’s son not Adam’s son.

With all due respect....the bible says you're wrong.

Gen 4:1 Now the man had relations with his wife Eve, and she conceived and gave birth to Cain, and she said, "I have gotten a manchild with the help of the LORD."

....perhaps I should cross this verse out of my bible?

 

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You would be right if the word -was- was the only word in litige but in the text we have also the Hebrew words (tôhû in Hebrew)which is word 8414 in your Strong’s, meaning, “a desolation“
AND
the word (bôhû in Hebrew 922)meaning, “an undistinguishable ruin“

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Pretty simple, the stuff of the earth was desolate. No form and void. God had to start somewhere. Like a potter with a blob of clay....
Just for the record...922. isn't quite as you put it.

 

[Riberra]

The verse I presented showed Satan in the garden of Eden in an unfallen state. That verse alone is enough to descredit your belief.

Satan's sin (fall) begin when he was a covering cherub.This is described here.With the same verse... plus some others.

http://worldeventsandthebible.com/2014/09/satans-sin.html