Why The Trinity is a False Teaching - Summarized Doctrinal Reasons

[Goatee]

Somehow I'm lost in interpretation when your signature says this, "reparation for the sins committed against the immaculate heart of Mary". Bahahahah. Please.... go away.

Just like your sig says you think you are perfect! You are def in error buddy. Massively in every thread you write in!! You have no sound 'Pearls' of wisdom in your writings! Just very bad interpretations!

 

[MerriestHouse]

So is it your doctrine, then, that Abraham and all those before Christ "tasted death?"
Or is your argument that Jesus says anyone who believes in Him will never die in the physical sense?

I am not understanding what you are asking. I believe Abraham lived 175 years. Abraham did not have eternal life, if that's what you are asking. There was no eternal life before Jesus' resurrection. Jesus' death and resurrection was what Abraham was looking forward to.

Jesus was the mediator of the new covenant of grace. His creation under the new covenant is a spiritual creation. He was the firstborn of that creation. We have our physical existence through Adam. We have our spiritual existence through Christ. John 1 was about the beginning of God's spiritual creation in Christ. He was not taking his readers back to Adam and the physical creation. It's a mistake to put Christ back in the beginning with or before Adam. Adam needed a Savior as well as Abraham.

1 Corinthians 15:45 "Thus it is written, "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 But it is not the spiritual which is first but the physical, and then the spiritual. 47 The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven. 48 As was the man of dust, so are those who are of the dust; and as is the man of heaven, so are those who are of heaven. 49 Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the man of heaven."

"as is the man of heaven, so are those who are of heaven" "those who are of heaven," are God's faithful children.

 

[MerriestHouse]

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[Strong in Him]

The elect are destined to become like gods, yet each in a small measure of authority beneath Jesus Christ, hence,

So let me get this straight; you cannot, or refuse to, believe that there is a trinity - ONE God; Father, Son and Holy Spirit, all equal and all one. Yet you believe, and teach, that there is one God with many minor gods - Moses, Jesus and us?

Apparently the trinity isn't Scriptural, but this teaching of yours is??
Moses was not a god; the Israelites didn't treat him as one, if he had been one he could not have sinned and would not have died, and God wouldn't say one thing to Moses and then give him a commandment which said the opposite.

I doubt you'll find anyone else anywhere, never mind a theologian, who will agree that Moses was a god - even people who agree with you that there is no trinity, don't believe that.

 

[Goatee]

So let me get this straight; you cannot, or refuse to, believe that there is a trinity - ONE God; Father, Son and Holy Spirit, all equal and all one. Yet you believe, and teach, that there is one God with many minor gods - Moses, Jesus and us?

Apparently the trinity isn't Scriptural, but this teaching of yours is??
Moses was not a god; the Israelites didn't treat him as one, if he had been one he could not have sinned and would not have died, and God wouldn't say one thing to Moses and then give him a commandment which said the opposite.

I doubt you'll find anyone else anywhere, never mind a theologian, who will agree that Moses was a god - even people who agree with you that there is no trinity, don't believe that.

Agreed

 

[Strong in Him]

Obviously its a concept, not that Moses literally became a god,

That's not what you said earlier - you said that Jesus was made a god just as Moses was.

Obviously Why are you people so slow to understanding? Its like trying to reason with babies.

Why are you so insulting when we don't accept your teachings, and why are you so ready to accept that your interpretation of Scripture, usually taken out of context, is correct and that you cannot possibly be mistaken?

 

[cgaviria]

So let me get this straight; you cannot, or refuse to, believe that there is a trinity - ONE God; Father, Son and Holy Spirit, all equal and all one. Yet you believe, and teach, that there is one God with many minor gods - Moses, Jesus and us?

Apparently the trinity isn't Scriptural, but this teaching of yours is??
Moses was not a god; the Israelites didn't treat him as one, if he had been one he could not have sinned and would not have died, and God wouldn't say one thing to Moses and then give him a commandment which said the opposite.

I doubt you'll find anyone else anywhere, never mind a theologian, who will agree that Moses was a god - even people who agree with you that there is no trinity, don't believe that.

Its in the scriptures dude,

And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. (Exodus 7:1 [KJV])

So this nonsense that I made this up, well, is nonsense, because its in the scriptures. Its conveying a very important meaning, how God gives authority. This is why the doctrine of the trinity is a foolish doctrine, because it presumes that Jesus Christ is God by his own will, which is not true, Jesus Christ is God because he has been made God by the Father. The Father granted him authority to be God, there's a difference. I also don't care what the majority believe, people like you love to say, oh well the majority don't believe this or that, since when is what the majority believe what is true? Is the narrow gate not narrow, and very few that are chosen? So if indeed you wish to present valid arguments, present them with scripture, not with an argument of "what the majority believe". What utter nonsense.

 

[Strong in Him]

The kind people here give me too much to wrap my head around at one time. I will try to get back to it.

It's fine, don't worry .
I may give up with this thread soon anyway; the endless arguments are not edifying.

God bless.

 

[cgaviria]

That's not what you said earlier - you said that Jesus was made a god just as Moses was.



Why are you so insulting when we don't accept your teachings, and why are you so ready to accept that your interpretation of Scripture, usually taken out of context, is correct and that you cannot possibly be mistaken?

That's what I've been saying. Hello? Jesus Christ was granted authority..... hello? He even admits it, "all authority has been given to me....". The Father is the one who grants authority. So in similar way as Moses was granted authority, so was Jesus Christ also granted authority. Its very simple to understand this.

 

[Goatee]

Its in the scriptures dude,


So this nonsense that I made this up, well, is nonsense, because its in the scriptures. Its conveying a very important meaning, how God gives authority. This is why the doctrine of the trinity is a foolish doctrine, because it presumes that Jesus Christ is God by his own will, which is not true, Jesus Christ is God because he has been made God by the Father. The Father granted him authority to be God, there's a difference. I also don't care what the majority believe, people like you love to say, oh well the majority don't believe this or that, since when is what the majority believe what is true? Is the narrow gate not narrow, nor very few that are chosen? So if indeed you wish to present valid arguments, present them with scripture, not with an argument of "what the majority believe". What utter nonsense.

Thing is, you continuously interpret scripture wrongly and only in the way that suits you!!

 

[cgaviria]

It's fine, don't worry .
I may give up with this thread soon anyway; the endless arguments are not edifying.

God bless.

Of course it isn't. Anyone who is constantly resisting and refusing scripture will not be edified.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Exodus 7:1

(ASV) And Jehovah said unto Moses, See, I have made thee as God to Pharaoh; and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.

(ESV) And the LORD said to Moses, "See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron shall be your prophet.

(ISV) The LORD told Moses, "Listen! I've positioned you as God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron will be your prophet.

(KJV) And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.

(KJV+) And the LORDH3068 saidH559 untoH413 Moses,H4872 See,H7200 I have madeH5414 thee a godH430 to Pharaoh:H6547 and AaronH175 thy brotherH251 shall beH1961 thy prophet.H5030

Seems like even the translations disagree with you......

 

[Goatee]

That's what I've been saying. Hello? Jesus Christ was granted authority..... hello? He even admits it, "all authority has been given to me....". The Father is the one who grants authority. So in similar way as Moses was granted authority, so was Jesus Christ also granted authority. Its very simple to understand this.

The Father and the Son are one! Jesus is and always has been!

John 1
The Word Became Flesh
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.2 He was in the beginning with God; 3 all things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made. 4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

 

[civilwarbuff]

1Co 2:14 A person who isn't spiritual doesn't accept the things of God's Spirit, for they are nonsense to him. He can't understand them because they are spiritually evaluated.

 

[Strong in Him]

Its in the scriptures dude,
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So are all the things that I just wrote, "dude" - yet you've failed to comment on them.

 

[cgaviria]

1Co 2:14 A person who isn't spiritual doesn't accept the things of God's Spirit, for they are nonsense to him. He can't understand them because they are spiritually evaluated.

Seems like you are quoting a scripture pertaining to yourself, hence why you cannot understand nor accept the passage of Moses being made as a god.

 

[Goatee]

Seems like you are quoting a scripture pertaining to yourself, hence why you cannot understand nor accept the passage of Moses being made as a god.

Or so now its not a 'Concept' as you said earlier but a fact that Moses is a God!

How many Gods have you come across so far in the Bible then?

 

[cgaviria]

So are all the things that I just wrote, "dude" - yet you've failed to comment on them.

I have replied to you, haven't I? What are you referring to "failing to comment on them"? By all means, if you feel I haven't answered your questions so specifically then repeat which question you feel I haven't answered, right.......?

 

[Strong in Him]

Of course it isn't. Anyone who is constantly resisting and refusing scripture will not be edified.

Oh trust me, I am, and have been, mightily blessed by God - the triune God.

All the Scriptures I have written out for you, about salvation, about adoption as God's children, about new life in the Spirit, about Jesus the word who was GOD, about his coming to earth being prophesied in the OT, may have done nothing at all for you - indeed they have often been ignored by you, but they have done wonders for affirming and confirming my faith. In fact the Spirit has often brought additional Scriptures to mind as I have typed.
I love God - God the Father, God the Son and God the Spirit, and I love his word. If it's your opinion that anyone resisting Scripture cannot be blessed - I have been blessed, ergo, I am not resisting Scripture.

 

[Strong in Him]

I have replied to you, haven't I? What are you referring to "failing to comment on them"?

I'm talking about the post where I said that "Judas went and hanged himself", "go and do likewise" is in Scripture.
Not everything that is "in Scripture" means what it might seem to mean - especially if you take it out of context. Your interpretations are not in line with Scriptural teaching.