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Why The Trinity is a False Teaching - Summarized Doctrinal Reasons

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Look, you must have your own 'personal' version of the Bible!

You are so lost in your own interpretation of Scripture!!! You need to seek help and advice buddy, fast!

Moses was not a God! Jesus Christ 'IS' equal to the father! Jesus is 'GOD'.

Dude, these scriptures exist in all bibles, not just my copy of the bible. You have very little understanding of scripture, so that's why you refuse to accept these scriptures that are teaching certain important truths. Its difficult to reason with people like you who just flat out refuse to learn.
 
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Dude, these scriptures exist in all bibles, not just my copy of the bible. You have very little understanding of scripture, so that's why you refuse to accept these scriptures that are teaching certain important truths. Its difficult to reason with people like you who just flat out refuse to learn.

So, you actually believe that Moses was a God?
 
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In context: John 8:51 "Truly, truly, I say to you, if any one keeps my word, he will never see death." 52 The Jews said to him, "Now we know that you have a demon. Abraham died, as did the prophets; and you say, 'If any one keeps my word, he will never taste death.' 53 Are you greater than our father Abraham, who died? And the prophets died! Who do you claim to be?" 54 Jesus answered, "If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing; it is my Father who glorifies me, of whom you say that he is your God. 55 But you have not known him; I know him. If I said, I do not know him, I should be a liar like you; but I do know him and I keep his word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced that he was to see my day; he saw it and was glad." 57 The Jews then said to him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?" 58 Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am." 59 So they took up stones to throw at him; but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple."

Jesus speaks in verses 55, 56 and 58 as if his present ministry on earth stretches back to the time of Abraham and even before. The Jews rejected that. Jesus did not mean that Abraham had actually experienced his appearance on earth and seen it literally. Jesus was referring to Abraham's spiritual vision of his appearance on earth. At the birth of Isaac, Abraham had foreseen at the same time, the promised Messiah who would be a descendant of Israel. This was God's plan for the redemption of mankind.
So is it your doctrine, then, that Abraham and all those before Christ "tasted death?"
Or is your argument that Jesus says anyone who believes in Him will never die in the physical sense?

You say Abraham "didn't see Jesus' day." Well, perhaps not in the flesh, but according to Jesus, God is "not the God of the dead, but of the living." In fact, He uses this statement in support of the resurrection, stating that God is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and He is not the God of the dead but of the living. So Abraham did see Jesus' day - quite literally.

This is not Jesus saying in some roundabout way that He was prophesied in Abraham's day. He made many bold (and outright) claims to be the Messiah of prophecy. Had this been His intention here, that is what He would have done.

Incidentally, claiming to be the Messiah also would not be a crime worthy of stoning, so the argument doesn't hold up there either.

Abraham had rejoiced to understand/see that. Jesus could make the claim to be greater than Abraham and the prophets because his blood reached back to Adam and reaches forward to us today. He reconciled man back to God. Galatians 3:29 "And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise."
Jesus could claim to be greater than Abraham because Abraham was created by/through Him (see John 1, Colossians 1, 1 Corinthians 8).
The gospels were written to make believers in Jesus as the Messiah, the Son of God. When Jesus says "I am he," and "I am the one," he was the one that the Jews were looking for and expecting. He was the one that the OT prophets wrote about. "I am the Good Shepherd." "I am the way, the truth and the life."

A good study of the Old Testament Scripture is necessary if we are serious about understanding the New Testament Scripture.
Indeed - and we have looked at many Old Testament Scriptures to this end. We know that God alone is Israel's redeemer (Isaiah 43 & 44), that God will share His glory with no other (Isaiah 42), that we are to worship/fear the Lord our God and serve Him only (Deuteronomy 6, Luke 4), that Jesus was "found in the very form/nature of God" (note: Greek scholars have noted that neither of these expressions fully express the strength of the original Greek language in showing the divinity of Jesus), etc.

We know that Jesus was the Word that was God (John 1:1-14), that by Him and through Him all things were created (John 1:1-14, 1 Corinthians 8, Colossians 1), that He shared God's glory before the world came into being (John 17), that He will be worshipped as God by the angels and the saints (Revelation), that He will be called the "mighty God" (Isaiah), and that He is called God by the Psalmist, who is speaking through the Spirit (Psalm 45).

I could keep going. These are only a few of the tie-ins between the old and new testament. But in the same way that the New Testament can't be rightly understood without the context of the old, the Old Testament can't be rightly understood without the context of the new.
 
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Making Moses like God has to do with giving him authority. And yes he was perceived to be as a god by Pharaoh, and this was intended by God, because God was represented by Moses. This same passage alludes to Jesus Christ being made as God by God.
There is a difference between making someone "like God" and making Him "God." God is drawing an analogy here for the way that Moses and Aaron will interact with Pharaoh. He said Moses would be "like God" to Pharaoh and Aaron will be "his prophet."

To understand this, you must know what a "prophet" was. A prophet was somebody who spoke on God's behalf, and God gave the prophet the message and fulfilled the word which he sent in this way. In the same way, Moses commanded Aaron, and Aaron spoke to Pharaoh on his behalf, as well as performing the actions with which he charged him.

God did not make Moses "a God to Pharaoh" (note also that if this were the case, Moses would have become a personal God to only Aaron and Pharaoh, as these are the only two people to whom God says He will make Moses like God), He made him "like God to Pharaoh." (and also to Aaron, as stated in Exodus 4). This involves the relationship of Moses to these people, not an actual promotion to deity.
 
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Duh....You are surely mistaken about Moses being God my dear friend in Christ!

Clearly you don't understand the concept of how he was made into a god in relation to authority given to him, yet was not the God the Father. I am done reasoning with you though, its like trying to teach a baby how the rotation of the earth causes a day and night cycle.
 
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There is a difference between making someone "like God" and making Him "God." God is drawing an analogy here for the way that Moses and Aaron will interact with Pharaoh. He said Moses would be "like God" to Pharaoh and Aaron will be "his prophet."

To understand this, you must know what a "prophet" was. A prophet was somebody who spoke on God's behalf, and God gave the prophet the message and fulfilled the word which he sent in this way. In the same way, Moses commanded Aaron, and Aaron spoke to Pharaoh on his behalf, as well as performing the actions with which he charged him.

God did not make Moses "a God to Pharaoh" (note also that if this were the case, Moses would have become a personal God to only Aaron and Pharaoh, as these are the only two people to whom God says He will make Moses like God), He made him "like God to Pharaoh." (and also to Aaron, as stated in Exodus 4). This involves the relationship of Moses to these people, not an actual promotion to deity.

Both things are true, "like God" and "make him god". Obviously no one can become the Father, not even Jesus Christ, because only the Father predetermines all things, has infinite knowledge, and grants authority. Yet any being, can become like god, a little god, and reflect the very nature of the Father. This applies to Moses, little god, and Jesus Christ, little god, yet Jesus Christ has been given much higher authority than Moses, as Jesus Christ is the very exact representation of the Father, and has been given authority over all creation.
 
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Moses was indeed a god, but not because he is literally a god like the Father is God, as not even Jesus Christ is literally equal to God the Father, but because this scripture conveys the authority God gives, and thus Moses was considered a god because of this authority granted to him.

Sorry, but nonsense.
Jesus gave his disciples authority to forgive sins - were they gods too? As believers, if we are in Jesus, united to him, born again with his life in us, we have authority over Satan - because Jesus won it on the cross. Are we gods too?

How many more gods do you want?
 
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Clearly you don't understand the concept of how he was made into a god in relation to authority given to him, yet was not the God the Father. I am done reasoning with you though, its like trying to teach a baby how the rotation of the earth causes a day and night cycle.

Sorry buddy but you dont have talk a lot of nonsense!

It is you that miss interprets scripture MASSIVELY!!! Where do you get your interpretations from? Gee!!
 
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Obviously no one can become the Father, not even Jesus Christ, because only the Father predetermines all things, has infinite knowledge, and grants authority.

You are correct in saying that Jesus is not the Father and cannot become the Father - he is the Son; God the Son. After his resurrection he told the disciples that all authority had been given to HIM, and because iof that, he instructed them to go and preach the Gospel to all nations. Matthew 28:18-20.

God is trinity - Father, Son and Holy Spirit; these three are God and they are ONE. The Father is NOT the Son, the Son is NOT the Spirit; three individual beings; one God.
 
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Sorry, but nonsense.
Jesus gave his disciples authority to forgive sins - were they gods too? As believers, if we are in Jesus, united to him, born again with his life in us, we have authority over Satan - because Jesus won it on the cross. Are we gods too?

How many more gods do you want?

The elect are destined to become like gods, yet each in a small measure of authority beneath Jesus Christ, hence,
To the one who is victorious and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations-- (Revelation 2:26 [NIV])

Yet just as Jesus Christ first came in the manner of a servant before authority was granted to him over all, so are the elect to become as servants first, before they are also granted authority as Jesus Christ was granted authority. To be a son of God is to be given authority. God did not procure sons who are servants in his household, but sons who are will rule as God rules, hence even,
For the LORD your God will bless you, as he promised you, and you shall lend to many nations, but you shall not borrow, and you shall rule over many nations, but they shall not rule over you. (Deuteronomy 15:6 [ESV])
 
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It's in the scriptures. Duh.

So is "and Judas went and hanged himself", Matthew 27:5, and
"if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away", Matthew 5:29, and,
"as for those agitators, I wish they would go and castrate themselves!" Galatians 5:12, and
"go and do likewise", Luke 10:37.
But I very much hope you don't take that to mean you should cut your bits off, pluck your eye out and then kill yourself.
It's all a matter of interpretation, and context.

It does NOT say in Scripture, "then God made Moses a God"; if he had, there would have been two, and God would have broken the first of his own commandments, "you shall have no other god before me."
God makes Moses a god and then gives him a command for the nation not to have any other gods?? I don't think so.
 
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cgaviria You are so mixed up in your interpretation of scripture! You are very much lost and on another planet buddy.

It seems to me that you are only reading what you want to read from the Bible, be it a totally different Bible that anyone else in the World owns! I am sure that God is looking at you and shaking his head and seeing a guy who is definitely very lost.

You definitely need to seek spiritual guidance buddy. You are coming out with things that can only come from a source other than God!
 
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So is "and Judas went and hanged himself", Matthew 27:5, and
"if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away", Matthew 5:29, and,
"as for those agitators, I wish they would go and castrate themselves!" Galatians 5:12, and
"go and do likewise", Luke 10:37.
But I very much hope you don't take that to mean you should cut your bits off, pluck your eye out and then kill yourself.
It's all a matter of interpretation, and context.

It does NOT say in Scripture, "then God made Moses a God"; if he had, there would have been two, and God would have broken the first of his own commandments, "you shall have no other god before me."
God makes Moses a god and then gives him a command for the nation not to have any other gods?? I don't think so.

Obviously its a concept, not that Moses literally became a god, nor he turned into an object of worship. Why are you people so slow to understanding? Its like trying to reason with babies.
 
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Obviously its a concept, not that Moses literally became a god, nor he turned into an object of worship. Why are you people so slow to understanding? Its like trying to reason with babies.

No, its the way you are writing buddy!
 
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cgaviria You are so mixed up in your interpretation of scripture! You are very much lost and on another planet buddy.

It seems to me that you are only reading what you want to read from the Bible, be it a totally different Bible that anyone else in the World owns! I am sure that God is looking at you and shaking his head and seeing a guy who is definitely very lost.

You definitely need to seek spiritual guidance buddy. You are coming out with things that can only come from a source other than God!

Somehow I'm lost in interpretation when your signature says this, "reparation for the sins committed against the immaculate heart of Mary". Bahahahah. Please.... go away.
 
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Its neither perception nor transformation. It is authority. Moses was granted this authority, and thus he was made a god by God, and this was not evil in the eyes of God because God was represented by Moses, in which case this passage also conveys how God has made Jesus Christ into God, and the Father is also represented by Jesus Christ. This is what it means to be an image of God, or also a son of God. Even Adam, made in the image of God, was also granted authority by God,

If you can't understand these basic truths of scripture you can't understand what it means to be a son of God. The elect are also sons of God,
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This doesn't come across as a Concept as you put it! This comes across that you actually believe that Moses was a God!
 
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