Does Science Agree With the Bible?

[Subduction Zone]

Logic tells me that the truth cannot contradict itself. God's word is the truth.
What are these self contradictions?
Bad science? Never said it was a science book, but again prove the bad science, please.
The Bible is a Historical narrative, not a science book. But it does have science in it.
Worse morals? Again, please prove these worse morals?

Your right. Some did practice child sacrifice. But not at God's request. He punished those who did. Just because those few did so doesn't mean that is what God wanted. Because it isn't. Nor does it say that all of Israel did so. That would like me saying because one atheist is a pedophile...then all of them are. That is a fallacy.

I do think. That's your problem. Is because I do. You have to think to understand God's Word. You have to study it, using reason and the correct study methodologies...i.e. hermeneutical. Also, you have to understand who God is from both the Old testament and the New. He's the same God in both. Still wanting to see that all men be saved. Still loving us enough to do something that no else has done for you or me. He grants us mercy, when he could stop the world right now and judge us rightfully.

No, my friend, you need to think more carefully. I'm not the one called a fool, for saying there is a God, You are for saying there isn't one.

Simple, by your own admission the Bible is not the "word of God". It contradicts itself hundreds of times, it is wrong about basic scientific facts. It has poor morals. Now if you want to discuss this honestly I have no problem with it. But is all you have is nonsense would there be any point in continuing?

And watch the language. You do not seem to understand atheism, which is a shame. Atheists as a rule are much more honest than Christians. You might learn something if you opened your mind a bit.

 

[Vicomte13]

So far no one has been able to show such a case. There are various verses that indicate a fetus is not a "person". This article covers a few of them:

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/says_about/abortion.html

No thanks. You are in error. You choose to be. The direction in which you choose to err is in the direction that permits and justifies the slaughter of human beings, which is evil. You have chosen evil, and you are dug in on the evil. Your argument is with God, not with me. You can take it up with him in the end. For my part, I know that trying to discuss things with atheists is a fool's errand, and I decided to stop being that sort of fool awhile back.

So, thanks, but no thanks.

 

[Edmond Smith]

Simple, by your own admission the Bible is not the "word of God". It contradicts itself hundreds of times, it is wrong about basic scientific facts. It has poor morals. Now if you want to discuss this honestly I have no problem with it. But is all you have is nonsense would there be any point in continuing?

And watch the language. You do not seem to understand atheism, which is a shame. Atheists as a rule are much more honest than Christians. You might learn something if you opened your mind a bit.

I never said the Bible isn't the Word of God.
I said it is His Word. He inspired it.

13But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Let me break this down for you.
Evil men...other words, sinners will get worse, deceiving and being deceived. v13
I learned about God, thru His Holy Word, Inspired by Him. I am Born Again through faith in Christ Jesus
ALL Scripture is inspired by God for doctrine
for reproof
for correction
for instruction in righteousness
So that I may be perfect, and well educated with His word toward works.

Quit blathering and show me the contradictions?
You aren't because there aren't any.
Again, man you are foolish....the Bible isn't a science book. It's not meant to be or have scientific facts. but what science that can be found in it. Is exact.
Again, show me the poor morals?
you can't there either, cause there isn't any.

No, you are a fool according to scripture. God calls those who say he doesn't exist " a fool".
Psa 14:1
[[To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.]] The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

Your also not very wise according to the scripture; your heart just isn't into it, wisdom that is.
Pro 17:16
Wherefore is there a price in the hand of a fool to get wisdom, seeing he hath no heart to it

And because you lack wisdom, you have no understanding of God's Word
Pro 17:24
Wisdom is before him that hath understanding; but the eyes of a fool are in the ends of the earth.

So, my friend. I will not place words into your mouth. Don't do it to me. I never said The Bible wasn't God's word. You did.
I asked for proof of your claims and you fail to provide any.
I don't call you a fool, God does, take it up with Him.

 

[The Cadet]

No thanks. You are in error.

Then show the error.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No thanks. You are in error. You choose to be. The direction in which you choose to err is in the direction that permits and justifies the slaughter of human beings, which is evil. You have chosen evil, and you are dug in on the evil. Your argument is with God, not with me. You can take it up with him in the end. For my part, I know that trying to discuss things with atheists is a fool's errand, and I decided to stop being that sort of fool awhile back.

So, thanks, but no thanks.

See this shows that you cannot think reasonably or logically. I made no such choices. You really need to watch what you say since you re clearly breaking forum rules by making these false claims against me. For the self contradictions this site will help you:
http://bibviz.com/

And atheists have no reason to lie. For those that value the "truth", it seems to be on our side much more than it is ever on yours.

There is no choice to be an atheist. For a person that thinks rationally there is no choice in belief. When ever a Christian makes that claim it is rather obvious that they are faking their own belief.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I never said the Bible isn't the Word of God.
I said it is His Word. He inspired it.

But the flaws in the Bible tell us that it is not the "Word of God".

13But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Let me break this down for you.
Evil men...other words, sinners will get worse, deceiving and being deceived. v13
I learned about God, thru His Holy Word, Inspired by Him. I am Born Again through faith in Christ Jesus
ALL Scripture is inspired by God for doctrine
for reproof
for correction
for instruction in righteousness
So that I may be perfect, and well educated with His word toward works.

Please, defensive verses from the Bible prove nothing. It is merely circular reasoning at best.

Quit blathering and show me the contradictions?
You aren't because there aren't any.
Again, man you are foolish....the Bible isn't a science book. It's not meant to be or have scientific facts. but what science that can be found in it. Is exact.
Again, show me the poor morals?
you can't there either, cause there isn't any.

Wrong:

http://bibviz.com/

And here is an easy one, did the men accompanying Paul here God or not?

No, you are a fool according to scripture. God calls those who say he doesn't exist " a fool".
Psa 14:1
[[To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.]] The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

Your also not very wise according to the scripture; your heart just isn't into it, wisdom that is.
Pro 17:16
Wherefore is there a price in the hand of a fool to get wisdom, seeing he hath no heart to it

And because you lack wisdom, you have no understanding of God's Word
Pro 17:24
Wisdom is before him that hath understanding; but the eyes of a fool are in the ends of the earth.

So, my friend. I will not place words into your mouth. Don't do it to me. I never said The Bible wasn't God's word. You did.
I asked for proof of your claims and you fail to provide any.
I don't call you a fool, God does, take it up with Him.

This is both a personal attack and evidence of your ignorance. When did I say there was no God? Now there are countless versions of God even according to Christians. Which one is "right"? You are both rather rude and wrong on many subjects here. A bit of humility would be a good idea for you.

 

[dad]

I know. That is why I am so very often disappointed in you.

Congrats you qualify to receive the new message to certain posters here. I would encourage all believers to use it as needed.

Because some posters have been noted over a long period of time for being unwilling to rationally discuss Scripture you are blocked from being able to discuss God's word with me. While there may be places to vent contempt for Scripture and blasphemy etc..this is not one of those places. Thank you. Happy repenting...

Now if you have some science you want to claim does not agree with the bible post it.

 

[The Cadet]

Because some posters have been noted over a long period of time for being unwilling to rationally discuss

This might be my favorite thing ever.

 

[dad]

This might be my favorite thing ever.

I understand some folks enjoy not discussing Scripture rationally. It is what it is.

 

[Edmond Smith]

But the flaws in the Bible tell us that it is not the "Word of God".



Please, defensive verses from the Bible prove nothing. It is merely circular reasoning at best.



Wrong:

http://bibviz.com/

And here is an easy one, did the men accompanying Paul here God or not?





This is both a personal attack and evidence of your ignorance. When did I say there was no God? Now there are countless versions of God even according to Christians. Which one is "right"? You are both rather rude and wrong on many subjects here. A bit of humility would be a good idea for you.

Again, you contradict yourself. You say there are flaws in the Bible, but don't use the Bible to show the so-called flaws.

I'm assuming you mean "hear" God.

Sure they did, But they didn't quite understand what was being said. So I see where your so called contradiction may fall into place.

Sauls traveling companions also heard the voice. And surely heard Saul speak to the voice.
Acts 9:7 says the men "heard" (Greek - fona, spelled for easy pronunciation...sounds like...foe-nay means "voice"
Acts 22:9 we are told they heard not the voice (same greek words are used but in a different form see notes below)
NASB translates 9:7 as "hearing the voice" "or sound"
22:9 it has "did not understand the voice" "or hear (with comprehension)

NOTES:
Acts 9:7...the noun 'voice' is in the partitive genitive case [i.e., hearing (something) of], where as 22:9, the construction is witht eh accusative.

The former indicates a hearing of the sound, the latter indicates the meaning or message of the voice (this they did not hear).

The former denotes the sensational perception, the latter (the accusative case) the thing perceived.

Okay, where's the contradiction?

I humbly agree with God, that any that say there is no God, is a fool.
That better?

 

[digitalgoth]

False, whatever people hold up before God is a god. Rather than respect creation and God, you seek to hold up some man can save himself routine. Then you slander believers trying to pin the rap on them.

I do respect creation and God, it is usually the religious that denies and responsibility over how they destroy his creation and deny their culpability, again, for the reasons of divine rewards meaning you can crap all over the material world, because screw it, you'll be in heaven so why clean up your mess?

 

[Vicomte13]

Then show the error.

This where the "Do not cast your pearls before swine" part of Jesus' advice comes into play.

Why? Why should I go through the effort to "show the error"? I know where the contradictions in Scripture are, and I know how they fit back together. I know the physical miracles that people can examine scientifically to see the hand of God in that manner, if that is what they need. I know God exists, because I have myself experienced three major miracles, and seen the Holy Dove, spoken with God directly, seen demons face to face. I know the truth, and I am willing to discuss these things - with people who are searching for the truth. That's why I came to a place called "Christian Forums", to share the particular pieces of the Good News that I myself possess, so that believers with questions or doubts can be fortified, can look at different things, can be comforted and encouraged that, in spite of the ridicule of atheists and adherents to various false beliefs, that they really do have ahold of the truth - even if they have not had the opportunity to see it as starkly and terrifyingly as I have.

And that's also why I am uninterested in discussing anything with atheists or agnostics.

Atheists are not searching for the truth. They actively disbelieve in God. They actively seek to destroy the truth and ridicule it, to blot out the life. They are aggressive and evil, and I've heard it all before, over and over. This is not my first rodeo.

If you're a Christian who wants to know the truth, or a Muslim or Jew who wants to see the miracles that Jesus, specifically, left that can be examined with microscope and forensic chemlab, if you are looking for proof in order to be able to believe because you have difficulty believing, then you are my friend, and I am yours, and I am ready, willing and eager to show you.

But if you're an atheist, you're an ally of that demon that attacked me, and I'm simply not interested in you or the crap you will spew. You're one of those swine before whom I will not cast my pearls. Why? Because you'll turn on me and rend me, and I was already warned by God to avoid you.

I'll tell positive seekers truths they can't hear elsewhere - because the miracles happened to me - and I'll show them where to look to see these things in Scripture and in material evidence. And I'll help Christians surmount difficulties with Scripture, to show them how the contradictions work, and how some of the apparent ones disappear in the actual Hebrew.

But those are gifts for Christians, or Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Bhuddists - people genuinely seeking God. Fools who have already asserted, in their ignorance, that there is no God - well, I know better, face to face and in my own flesh. I've dealt with their ignorant bellowing before, and I'm not interested in pig wrasslin': I get dirty and the pig enjoys it.

I don't see your religion on your avatar.

Way back up this thread I got tired of the endless bickering with atheists. It is talking to truculent teenagers who know nothing but think they know everything. It bores me. I said it bored me and that I was out of this sort of thread way up there.

I was pulled back in by a question by an agnostic, and now lookee here - here we go again - pig wrasslin'.

IF you are a seeker of truth, then I will be happy to show you things you did not know that can give you facts to think about. But I'm not going to do it on an open thread where atheists post and argue. Because doing that would be casting pearls before swine, and I am going to follow the good advice of somebody a lot smarter than me and stop doing that.

There are private messages on this site. And there are folders where atheists cannot post. Post to me from there and we can talk. Here, on open threads arguing with babykilling swine? No thanks.

 

[Edmond Smith]

I do respect creation and God, it is usually the religious that denies and responsibility over how they destroy his creation and deny their culpability, again, for the reasons of divine rewards meaning you can crap all over the material world, because screw it, you'll be in heaven so why clean up your mess?

I agree with you there. There may be a lot of people who think that way. But there are many more, much more who remember who the Creator is and what He as done for us.

 

[dad]

I do respect creation and God, it is usually the religious that denies and responsibility over how they destroy his creation and deny their culpability, again, for the reasons of divine rewards meaning you can crap all over the material world, because screw it, you'll be in heaven so why clean up your mess?

People who love Jesus respect His creation. Do not confuse not worshipping it above Him for something else. Man cannot and will not save himself. Look around.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Congrats you qualify to receive the new message to certain posters here. I would encourage all believers to use it as needed.

Because some posters have been noted over a long period of time for being unwilling to rationally discuss Scripture you are blocked from being able to discuss God's word with me. While there may be places to vent contempt for Scripture and blasphemy etc..this is not one of those places. Thank you. Happy repenting...

Now if you have some science you want to claim does not agree with the bible post it.

But I never have tried to discuss God's word with you. I only have been discussing what the Bible says. And I have merely pointed out the blasphemy of your beliefs. You have never demonstrated that anything that I said was blasphemous. Now when you are done repenting for your wrongs perhaps we can go over your other countless errors.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Again, you contradict yourself. You say there are flaws in the Bible, but don't use the Bible to show the so-called flaws.

Sorry, but the only way to show the contradictions in the Bible is to show how it contradicts itself. Attacking non-believers by using the Bible is foolish since the Bible is a "one edged sword". You of course have heard of a two edged sword, the Bible only cuts believers so it cannot be used against unbelievers. All it shows is that you are attempting to insult the other person and that is always against the rules here.

I'm assuming you mean "hear" God.

Sure they did, But they didn't quite understand what was being said. So I see where your so called contradiction may fall into place.

Sauls traveling companions also heard the voice. And surely heard Saul speak to the voice.
Acts 9:7 says the men "heard" (Greek - fona, spelled for easy pronunciation...sounds like...foe-nay means "voice"
Acts 22:9 we are told they heard not the voice (same greek words are used but in a different form see notes below)
NASB translates 9:7 as "hearing the voice" "or sound"
22:9 it has "did not understand the voice" "or hear (with comprehension)

NOTES:
Acts 9:7...the noun 'voice' is in the partitive genitive case [i.e., hearing (something) of], where as 22:9, the construction is witht eh accusative.

The former indicates a hearing of the sound, the latter indicates the meaning or message of the voice (this they did not hear).

The former denotes the sensational perception, the latter (the accusative case) the thing perceived.

Okay, where's the contradiction?[/quote]

Amazing rationalization. Though the two verses clearly disagree with each other you want to try to twist them so they do, or rather later interpreters twisted the translation. I would suggest that you play with the link that I gave you. It appears that you cannot be honest when your beliefs are threatened.

I humbly agree with God, that any that say there is no God, is a fool.
That better?

Since God never said that it is not better. Perhaps you would be wise to learn what you are attacking before you make foolish statements.

 

[Edmond Smith]

Sorry, but the only way to show the contradictions in the Bible is to show how it contradicts itself. Attacking non-believers by using the Bible is foolish since the Bible is a "one edged sword". You of course have heard of a two edged sword, the Bible only cuts believers so it cannot be used against unbelievers. All it shows is that you are attempting to insult the other person and that is always against the rules here.

I'm assuming you mean "hear" God.

Sure they did, But they didn't quite understand what was being said. So I see where your so called contradiction may fall into place.

Sauls traveling companions also heard the voice. And surely heard Saul speak to the voice.
Acts 9:7 says the men "heard" (Greek - fona, spelled for easy pronunciation...sounds like...foe-nay means "voice"
Acts 22:9 we are told they heard not the voice (same greek words are used but in a different form see notes below)
NASB translates 9:7 as "hearing the voice" "or sound"
22:9 it has "did not understand the voice" "or hear (with comprehension)

NOTES:
Acts 9:7...the noun 'voice' is in the partitive genitive case [i.e., hearing (something) of], where as 22:9, the construction is witht eh accusative.

The former indicates a hearing of the sound, the latter indicates the meaning or message of the voice (this they did not hear).

The former denotes the sensational perception, the latter (the accusative case) the thing perceived.

Okay, where's the contradiction?

Amazing rationalization. Though the two verses clearly disagree with each other you want to try to twist them so they do, or rather later interpreters twisted the translation. I would suggest that you play with the link that I gave you. It appears that you cannot be honest when your beliefs are threatened.



Since God never said that it is not better. Perhaps you would be wise to learn what you are attacking before you make foolish statements.[/QUOTE]

The law, is another word for the Bible, is perfect for converting the Soul. The Bible was written for the believers, that is true. But it was also written for the unbeliever. So that they might believe and be Saved.

Do you think you've kept the 10 commandments?
Did you know that the work of the law was written on your heart?
Did you know that the law is within your conscience...conscience is a compound word....con = with....science=knowledge
So, you see, the Word of God is just as important to the unbeliever as it is to the believer. Yes, it can cut the Christian, because it reminds us of how we are to live for God, telling us to examine ourselves, that we aren't under the law but Christ.
You on the other hand, if not Born Again, are not under Christ. You are under the Law. You transgress the Law, as I have also many times, when you transgress the Law that is called sin. 1 John 3:4.
And how are you to know if you've sinned but by the law, the Word of God, for it shows us that. Romans 3:20

So, saying the Bible isn't for unbeliever, means you break the 9th commandment, thou shalt not lie. Here's a kicker, if you break just one of the commandments...you break them all. James 2:10

God did say it. You just deny it, that's all. Denying it won't make it go away, either, as a matter of fact, it lingers more the harder you try to deny it. The Word never returns in Void.

Isa 55:11
So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

So, this is why you deny God's word, because you know within your conscience that it will do, has done and will do as it says.

 

[Edmond Smith]

Sorry, but the only way to show the contradictions in the Bible is to show how it contradicts itself. Attacking non-believers by using the Bible is foolish since the Bible is a "one edged sword". You of course have heard of a two edged sword, the Bible only cuts believers so it cannot be used against unbelievers. All it shows is that you are attempting to insult the other person and that is always against the rules here.

I'm assuming you mean "hear" God.

Sure they did, But they didn't quite understand what was being said. So I see where your so called contradiction may fall into place.

Sauls traveling companions also heard the voice. And surely heard Saul speak to the voice.
Acts 9:7 says the men "heard" (Greek - fona, spelled for easy pronunciation...sounds like...foe-nay means "voice"
Acts 22:9 we are told they heard not the voice (same greek words are used but in a different form see notes below)
NASB translates 9:7 as "hearing the voice" "or sound"
22:9 it has "did not understand the voice" "or hear (with comprehension)

NOTES:
Acts 9:7...the noun 'voice' is in the partitive genitive case [i.e., hearing (something) of], where as 22:9, the construction is witht eh accusative.

The former indicates a hearing of the sound, the latter indicates the meaning or message of the voice (this they did not hear).

The former denotes the sensational perception, the latter (the accusative case) the thing perceived.

Okay, where's the contradiction?

Amazing rationalization. Though the two verses clearly disagree with each other you want to try to twist them so they do, or rather later interpreters twisted the translation. I would suggest that you play with the link that I gave you. It appears that you cannot be honest when your beliefs are threatened.



Since God never said that it is not better. Perhaps you would be wise to learn what you are attacking before you make foolish statements.[/QUOTE]

Amazing rationalization...man you crack me up...LOL.

It's what all the scholars teach in greek...take it up with them. I know greek, but I'm a beginner. These guys much more learned in it than me. But it doesn't make them wrong either.

I'm completely honest with you. I called you a fool, how much honest can I be. And you consistently prove that you are foolish.

 

[Smidlee]

But the flaws in the Bible tell us that it is not the "Word of God".

Notice it's the "Word of God" and not language of God. Man's language is flawed and limited. The Word of God is forever settled and was in the beginning but the Bible has been translated into different languages. A heavily used Bible will eventually fall apart but the Word of God will not. This doesn't mean the Bible isn't the Word of God but the Word of God is more than a butch of words written in ink on paper.

 

[Loudmouth]

Notice it's the "Word of God" and not language of God.

Notice that it is written by men.