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Does Science Agree With the Bible?

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Who says you can't use the Bible to interpret the Bible?
You?
So, if we go into the discussion of evolution, you wouldn't use what information you have on evolution to defend it?
Guess where you get that from? Books and teachers.

Logic will tell you that. What he was doing was to use circular reasoning.

Because you can't defend against the Word of God, doesn't mean we shouldn't use it. It is about Him after all.
What evils of the bible?...oh..forgot...your stuck in the Old Testament, using the same old tired argument that God's a big meanie, because He was trying to set up a nation, to be the example of how he wants mankind to live. And in the process of making said nation, wars a happened and some people got killed...that happens in war you know.

Don't be silly. The Bible is clearly not the word of God. With hundreds of self contradictions, bad science and worse morals it would be blasphemy to make that claim.

but you see, for every nation God beat, he gave them a chance to repent and turn to Him. Some of these people you defend so much...which I don't think you have a clue to who they were and the things they were doing to even get God mad at them...weren't angels. Many were depraved, child sacrificing, pedophiles, and womanizers that walked the earth. Sacrificing to there false gods, Molech and many others that required child sacrifices and complete control over the people.

And you trust the Bible with these claims? Please, you need to think more carefully.

God didn't want that type of depravity around, in or related to His people. He even punished them when they took up the practices of the people they conquered.
Learn the history of the people conquered and you'll know why they were.
God's grace and mercy did go out to them. They just did what you are doing...shook their puny little hands at Him and said, we don't want you, we don't believe in you and go away. So He did, He took away His grace and His mercy and then removed them.

Actually you are the one that needs to learn more history. Not just of the enemies of the ancient Hebrews, but of the Hebrews themselves. Their idea of one God developed over time, and there is even evidence that they were not innocent of child sacrifice themselves. People have always told false tales of their enemies to justify their actions. Believing something just because it is in the Bible tends to make those people rather gullible.
 
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You think it's ok to kill babies, because you think you have the authority to define when a baby becomes a baby. That arrogant belief makes you a swine.


I am sure that he is against the idea of killing babies. The problem is that you can't justify your beliefs with the Bible. The Bible makes no clear claims of when a person is a person. And it indicates that a fetus is not a person more than once.
 
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God will heat up their hospital one day. Seems to me we are near the point when we need to ask....what's left BUT the wrath of God? Far as I'm concerned, unless they repent right away...God damn them.

Curiously enough gods so called "wrath" seems to strike indiscriminately.
 
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I am sure that he is against the idea of killing babies.

The claim I said that is more a reflection of what the mind is filled with by the person who claim I said such thing. The claim, in fact a lie about, what I said was made up just after there very same person called every atheist that post in this thread "swines". It says something about the "divine love" Christians claim they posses, doesn't it....
 
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That picture of Neil Tyson is interesting since he has been known not to be very trustworthy. With him you'll be better off believing in what some "neckbeard on the internet" says.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-degrasse-tyson-admits-he-botched-bush-quote/

http://thefederalist.com/2014/09/16/another-day-another-quote-fabricated-by-neil-degrasse-tyson/
 
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The claim I said that is more a reflection of what the mind is filled with by the person who claim I said such thing. The claim, in fact a lie about, what I said was made up just after there very same person called every atheist that post in this thread "swines". It says something about the "divine love" Christians claim they posses, doesn't it....
If that bothers you, you should hear what Paul called them!
 
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The Bible makes no clear claims of when a person is a person. And it indicates that a fetus is not a person more than once.

Yes it does. No it doesn't. Argue about it? No thanks.
 
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I made not make such statement. How did you mange to make what I said into that? What I tried to say was that your bible quoting made no sense to me, nor does it have a place here.



You make an aserrtions, then I can make an assertion too: Odin created the universe. Now, how do we decide who is right?



Well, I was told by Odin not to believe anything that is written in the Bible. Therefore you shall believe me?



It is something written in the Bible and for all we know the Bible has been written by humans. Therefore your claim that "god says" this or that is utter nonsense.



Again, second time, this is not the forum for bible studies or moral teaching. Nor is what you say relevant to the things I written or discussed. So thank you, but god bye.

Again, you make assertions all the time. But your defense is weak and old.
This is a Christian Forum is it not?
The Bible stands on it's own, even if it was penned by man, of which I agree. But Inspired by God.
Just as when you sign your name, is it the pen that signs it, or you? Of course it's you, the pen is merely a tool to place the words down on the paper. Well, God did the same thing,He Inspired the writers of His Word,with His Word and they wrote it down. They were the instruments.
It doesn't matter what you believe, what matters is what you believe to be true?
I'll leave you at that. It was fun. God Bless
 
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No I did not know that. But I know that a fish has two chamber heart, am amphibian has a three chamber heartheart, a mammal has a four chamber heart. I also know that the developing human heart goes through these stage in iteration from simple to more complex. All this are observed fact, so to say it has been proven wrong is rather ignorant on your part. What do you actually know about physiology, comparative anatomy and embryology?



Where did you get that silly idea from? And why are you spending time refuting claims nobody made?



I fail to see what Heckle has to do with the findings of modern embryology. I suggest you complement the nonsense you can find at creationistic website with the past hundred years of discovery made in biology since after Heckle.

I agree about the fish heart and amphibian heart and the mammal heart.
So, your an expert physioloigist, and embryologist and on comparative anatomy?

Know what has been proven is that a human embryo is a human embryo.
Well, Heckle was wrong, so is anyone else that can suggest that one kind can change into another Kind.

That what is in the womb is a human.
I got the silly idea from people who are trying to be politically correct (which is a lie) and say, "well it's not a child yet"

Teachings like that, are the reason why right now, America has it's own holocaust, Millions of children are being killed yearly here. Many use that same argument of "its' not a child until it's born" nonsense. To justify their early term abortions and the depravity of tearing a child into pieces for so called science.

So the silly idea is yours....not mine.

Humans are started at conception.

The findings after Heckle, guess what they are the same...it's a human fetus, nothing amphibious about it. Just because it's a different era, and so called higher science...a lie is a lie and will always be a lie.


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That picture of Neil Tyson is interesting since he has been known not to be very trustworthy. With him you'll be better off believing in what some "neckbeard on the internet" says.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-degrasse-tyson-admits-he-botched-bush-quote/

http://thefederalist.com/2014/09/16/another-day-another-quote-fabricated-by-neil-degrasse-tyson/

The other ironic aspect of that particular quote is that Tyson apparently wants us to trust him and Lambda-CDM proponents like him that have studied cosmology topics for years, yet not a single one of them can even name so much as a source of "dark energy", and SN1A events have been shown to not be the "standard candles" that they claimed/hyped/promised them to be. Tyson urges us to trust the very same folks that publicly and boastfully claimed to have 5+ sigma evidence of inflation based upon a few polarized photons in space, only to have the whole claim literally turn to dust in mere months. He wants us to trust him over the topic of "dark matter", even though they've struck out at LHC, LUX, PandaX, AMDx, electron roundness tests, and in spite of the fact of overwhelming evidence that their baryonic mass estimates of various galaxies in 2006 was a complete joke. They blew the stellar mass estimates alone by a whopping factor of between 3 and 20 depending on the type of galaxy, and the size of the star, and they underestimated the number of stars between galaxies as well. They didn't even discover the bulk of the baryonic mass around every galaxy until 2012 when they *finally* figured out that galaxies are surrounded by vast clouds of million degree plasma. They never found "proof" of dark matter like they claimed in 2006. All they found was "proof" that their baryonic mass estimates stunk to high heaven in 2006!

http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=15850

Considering how little that Tyson and his Lambda-CDM buddies actually "know" about the universe, and the fact that 95 percent of their claims are based upon placeholder terms for human ignorance, you'll pardon me if actually chose to trust just about anyone *other than* Tyson and his cronies.
 
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Actually I have God and His word and happen to know He loves babies and is not the murderer you allude to.
Nope, you have nothing. And I never said that God was a murderer, I merely stated what the Bible says. Why do you hate the Bible so much?
 
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Nope, you have nothing. And I never said that God was a murderer, I merely stated what the Bible says. Why do you hate the Bible so much?
Abusing Scripture to paint God as a murderer and liar is actually not cool.
 
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Logic will tell you that. What he was doing was to use circular reasoning.



Don't be silly. The Bible is clearly not the word of God. With hundreds of self contradictions, bad science and worse morals it would be blasphemy to make that claim.



And you trust the Bible with these claims? Please, you need to think more carefully.



Actually you are the one that needs to learn more history. Not just of the enemies of the ancient Hebrews, but of the Hebrews themselves. Their idea of one God developed over time, and there is even evidence that they were not innocent of child sacrifice themselves. People have always told false tales of their enemies to justify their actions. Believing something just because it is in the Bible tends to make those people rather gullible.

Logic tells me that the truth cannot contradict itself. God's word is the truth.
What are these self contradictions?
Bad science? Never said it was a science book, but again prove the bad science, please.
The Bible is a Historical narrative, not a science book. But it does have science in it.
Worse morals? Again, please prove these worse morals?

Your right. Some did practice child sacrifice. But not at God's request. He punished those who did. Just because those few did so doesn't mean that is what God wanted. Because it isn't. Nor does it say that all of Israel did so. That would like me saying because one atheist is a pedophile...then all of them are. That is a fallacy.

I do think. That's your problem. Is because I do. You have to think to understand God's Word. You have to study it, using reason and the correct study methodologies...i.e. hermeneutical. Also, you have to understand who God is from both the Old testament and the New. He's the same God in both. Still wanting to see that all men be saved. Still loving us enough to do something that no else has done for you or me. He grants us mercy, when he could stop the world right now and judge us rightfully.

No, my friend, you need to think more carefully. I'm not the one called a fool, for saying there is a God, You are for saying there isn't one.
 
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