Evolution Promotes Brutality

[SkyWriting]

So, before that point, Adam did not eat organic food? Animals didn't eat organic food? What did they eat, then?

Both man and animals ate from the garden God had created.
The Garden had not yet received organic certification at that time.

Order will be returned eventually;

“The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. 7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. 8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den. 9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.”
Isaiah 11:6-9 (King James Version)

 

[SkyWriting]

Genetics in general. We are not traceable to a single individual or couple.

There's a so-called "mitochondrial eve" and a "y-chromosome adam", but these lived tens of thousands of years apart from eachother and should not be confused with a "single" common ancestor for all humans.

First you say "We are not traceable to a single individual"
then you document that we are.
Granted, it doesn't look like the scriptural Adam and Eve,
but it's close enough to be in the ballpark of evidence.
We can allow for error in research.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Both man and animals ate from the garden God had created.
The Garden had not yet received organic certification at that time.

What does that mean?
What food did they eat?

Please try to be specific here, because you are not making any sense to me.

 

[DogmaHunter]

First you say "We are not traceable to a single individual"
then you document that we are.

No.

Neither "Y-chromosom adam", nore "mitochondrial eve" qualify as a "single" ancestor for all of humanity. Both of these lived tens of thousands of years apart and were both part of a larger population.

Granted, it doesn't look like the scriptural Adam and Eve,

Not even remotely...

but it's close enough to be in the ballpark of evidence.

No, it's not.

We can allow for error in research.

Not of that magnitude.

 

[SkyWriting]

What does that mean?
What food did they eat? Please try to be specific here, because you are not making any sense to me.

Location:
Genesis 2:10-14, “A river watering the garden flowed from Eden; from there it was separated into four headwaters. The name of the first is the Pishon; it winds through the entire land of Havilah, where there is gold…The name of the second river is the Gihon; it winds through the entire land of Cush. The name of the third river is the Tigris; it runs along the east side of Asshur. And the fourth river is the Euphrates.”

Food:
Genesis 1:29–30
29 And God said, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; eto you it shall be for food. 30 Also, to fevery beast of the earth, to every gbird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is 9life, I have given every green herb for food”; and it was so.

Then much later:
3 "Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I give all to you, as I gave the green plant.

 

[SkyWriting]

Neither "Y-chromosom adam", nore "mitochondrial eve" qualify as a "single" ancestor for all of humanity. Both of these lived tens of thousands of years apart and were both part of a larger population.

You have great eyesight to see so far into the past!

one cannot reliably surmise past events from physical evidence
unless there is only one plausible explanation for that evidence.

 

[SkyWriting]

Not of that magnitude.

And even more error in your analysis of the analysis of others. Many more orders of magnitude.

 

[joshua 1 9]

I heard about a seven-year-old boy who burned to death the other day.

Another seven-year-old boy was mauled to death by a dog was just in my news feed.

The old lie that everything works our for the good is just another lie.

Parents are suppose to take care of their children. If they do not do their job as a parent that is not God's fault. He does give us some responsibility and He does hold us accountable. That includes you, as we will all be held accountable before God. Everyone likes to be spoiled, everyone wants to be spoiled but God does not spoil us. He wants us to be mature and responsible and there are consequences in life if we are derelict in our duty.

We have a covenant relationship with God and He expects us to do our part. If we do our part of the covenant then we can be sure that He will do His part. If we are don't do our part then He will respond accordingly. Even the very fabric of nature and creation has laws that can not be violated. Just about everyone has trouble understanding this to some degree.

David explains all of this in the 119 psalm that starts out: "119:1 ALEPH. Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD." There are blessings for those who follow the laws of God, also called commandments, precepts and so on. For those who live a life of rebellion and are law breakers there will be consequences. Man's law is no different. If your a convicted felon there are going to be a lot of consequences. In some cases you can get a felony for stealing over $100. The result is you can not travel to a lot of countries, you can not own a gun, you can not get some of the better jobs because you are a convicted felon. It could interfere with your getting a loan or renting an apartment. All you git out of it is slightly more then $100. Does that seem fair to you? The point is we have responsibilities in life and we are held accountable if you like it or not. It all has to do with growing up and being mature and responsible. If we want to or not. If you want to be Peter pan and go live in never never land that is fine, but sooner or later we have to wake up to reality and join the real world. For some of us that maybe more of a rude awakening compared to others that are better prepared.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Genetics in general. We are not traceable to a single individual or couple.

There's a so-called "mitochondrial eve" and a "y-chromosome adam", but these lived tens of thousands of years apart from each other and should not be confused with a "single" common ancestor for all humans.

In the Middle East everyone can be traced back to Abraham and Sarah or Abraham and Hagar. One is the seed of promise, the other represents the flesh. As Christians we are adopted into the family of God and have all the same rights as the natural born descendants of Abraham.

 

[SkyWriting]

No. There are no long-term plans, or "plans" of any kind for that matter, in evolution.It always is about the current generation in existence and its struggle for survival.Humans, or indeed any other species, weren't "meant" or "planned" to exist.

And what is the reason for this struggle for survival?

Nothing on the moon struggles. Nothing on any other planet struggles.
Why does matter (here) struggle to become alive and stay alive? Scientifically.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Location:
Genesis 2:10-14, “A river watering the garden flowed from Eden; from there it was separated into four headwaters. The name of the first is the Pishon; it winds through the entire land of Havilah, where there is gold…The name of the second river is the Gihon; it winds through the entire land of Cush. The name of the third river is the Tigris; it runs along the east side of Asshur. And the fourth river is the Euphrates.”

Food:
Genesis 1:29–30
29 And God said, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; eto you it shall be for food. 30 Also, to fevery beast of the earth, to every gbird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is 9life, I have given every green herb for food”; and it was so.

Then much later:
3 "Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I give all to you, as I gave the green plant.

Plants are organic and alive.
When you eat them, they die.

Hence, death was in the world.

 

[DogmaHunter]

In the Middle East everyone can be traced back to Abraham and Sarah or Abraham and Hagar.

Maybe in mythology. Not in DNA.

 

[DogmaHunter]

And what is the reason for this struggle for survival?

Staying alive....

Nothing on the moon struggles. Nothing on any other planet struggles.

If living things were on the moon or other planets, they'ld have to manage to stay alive as well.

Why does matter (here) struggle to become alive and stay alive? Scientifically.

Living things try to stay alive.
Your statement makes no sense.

 

[DogmaHunter]

You have great eyesight to see so far into the past!

one cannot reliably surmise past events from physical evidence
unless there is only one plausible explanation for that evidence.

DNA is a window into the past, more specifically your ancestral history.

Which is why we can tell from a DNA sample if your dad is your actual biological dad. Or your sister your actual sister, from the same biological parents.

 

[DogmaHunter]

And even more error in your analysis of the analysis of others. Many more orders of magnitude.

This is simply not true.
While there are margins of error in every measurement, there are boundaries to those margins.

There is simply no way that "mitochondrial eve" and "y-chromosome adam" lived at the same time.

 

[SkyWriting]

This is simply not true.
While there are margins of error in every measurement, there are boundaries to those margins.
There is simply no way that "mitochondrial eve" and "y-chromosome adam" lived at the same time.

I don't claim they did. But the conclusions are close enough for me.
I always have to do my own re-checking.

 

[SkyWriting]

DNA is a window into the past, more specifically your ancestral history.Which is why we can tell from a DNA sample if your dad is your actual biological dad. Or your sister your actual sister, from the same biological parents.

And how would you test your conclusions?
This requires a "known standard" against
which one checks the accuracy of assumptions.

The physical embodiment of a measurement unit,
by which its assigned value is defined, and to
which it can be compared for calibration purposes.

 

[SkyWriting]

Staying alive....If living things were on the moon or other planets, they'ld have to manage to
stay alive as well.Living things try to
stay alive.Your statement makes no sense.

What is the purpose of staying alive?
How does matter benefit from being alive?
What properties in nonliving matter suggest
it should turn into living matter?

Whether you're a brother or whether you're a mother / You're stayin' alive, stayin' alive / Feel the city breakin' and everybody shakin' / And we're stayin' alive, stayin' alive

 

[SkyWriting]

Plants are organic and alive.
When you eat them, they die.
Hence, death was in the world.

God, being Spirit, is only concerned with your Spirit.
In God's book, He's only referring to animals with Spirit.
Plants are not included in His definition of death.

 

[SepiaAndDust]

Parents are suppose to take care of their children. If they do not do their job as a parent that is not God's fault. He does give us some responsibility and He does hold us accountable. That includes you, as we will all be held accountable before God. Everyone likes to be spoiled, everyone wants to be spoiled but God does not spoil us. He wants us to be mature and responsible and there are consequences in life if we are derelict in our duty.

That's a load. Parents can't possibly keep their kids tied to their apron strings all the time. The first kid burned to death in a car that was hit by a drunk driver. That his parents' fault, too?

Anyway, the argument is that all things work out for the good. All things. That is demonstrably false, and no number of excuses is going to change it to true.