Why do people believe in a Rapture?

[Douggg]

The part I don’t believe you can show in the text is “Paul's revealing of the mystery of the rapture”.

The word mystery was specifically tied to believers being changed not a coming of any kind.

1 Corin 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

Apart from this verse what scripture can be used to show a mystery coming?

The mystery is not what is coming. Paul already revealed what the mystery was. What is coming, more precisely is who is coming. It is Jesus who is coming. In the text of 1thessalonians13-18....

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

One point of disagreement in the above statement is when you use “resurrection(s)”. I would challenge anyone to show one scripture in the entirety of the word of God the speaks of multiple, or phases concerning the resurrection of the righteous dead. I understand your point about progressive revelation, but disagree because Jesus only spoke of the resurrection “at the last day” John 6.

He had all the revelation He needed and did not need to wait to hear from Paul and John.

Jesus who is God of course knows the beginning from the end. It is not that Jesus needed any revelation; he was the one doing the revealing. But he did not reveal everything at one time. The information that Paul gave about the rapture and the resurrection was from Jesus. The revealing of the mystery is from Jesus through Paul - unless a person thinks that Paul made everything up.

Jesus also showed John in Revelation. There again, unless a person thinks John made everything up.

As far as there being multiple resurrections of the righteous in the bible at different times, I count three (four, if the two witnesses are included).
1. The rapture/resurrection
2. The resurrection of the martyred tribulation saints after Jesus returns
3. The great white throne judgment, which includes some who are righteous, who accept Jesus during the thousand years. and them unaccountable because of mental issues, and them who never heard of the good news, like the American Indians before the migration from Europe, too many special situations to list.

All of that is assumed to be the case, based on the fact Jesus went to heaven to prepare that place and His statement “that where I am there ye may be also”. When He comes to receive us He is here not there. It is clearly stated He comes, but it only assumed we go back with Him.

Rev 21:2 tells us the New Jerusalem was perepared in heaven and comes down to the new earth.

Rev 21:27 says only those whose names are in the Lamb’s book pf life will enter .

Those are two clearly stated facts, we do not have to assume anything.

I believe this is the mansions Jesus went to prepare. In the post trib view you just have wait a little longer to enter them.

Why would he mention the mansions in his Father's house - and then say he is coming for us, but nothing becomes of those mansions sitting empty for a thousand years, and after this current earth is gone. What relevancy would those mansions in heaven be if Jesus in 1htessalonians4:13-18 was returning directly to this earth to rule and reign - instead of taking the saints back to heaven.

The mansions would only be relevant as being a place for us, if we were not on this earth, for a while.

 

[Douggg]

All the people of the earth, who will cry out: the great Day of the wrath of Almighty God and the Lamb has come and who can stand? don't see the Lord, but they see His judgement/punishment. Revelation 6:15-17, Isaiah 2:21, Luke 23:29-31

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

 

[Douggg]

1Th 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
(The word "But" connects chapter 5 to chapter 4.)

1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
(This places the event at the end of chapter 4 on the Day of the Lord when He comes as a thief in the night, found in 2nd Peter 3:10 and Revelation 16:15, which are clearly Second Coming passages.)

1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

1Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

The rapture/resurrection has not taken place yet has it? Yet, we are living in the last days, the end times. So we are not ignorant of the times and seasons - that the day of the Lord should overtake us. We are to be looking up, watchful, hopeful to escape those things that are about to come up on the earth.

The Jews are not saying peace and safety, nor is the rest of world. But they soon will be when their perceived messiah arrives following Gog/Magog, and they think they will have entered the messianic age.

So right now we are in a pre-70th week, pre-trib state, pre day of the Lord state. But close.

 

[Douggg]

I am well aware that the MYSTERY that Paul is talking about is the changing of the believers still alive into an immortal physical body UNTO the Coming of the Lord.My point is that the changing into immortality of the living believers is TIED with the resurrection of the dead believers and is TIED with the Trumpet sounding AFTER the Tribulation.

What i have explained to you is that this have nothing to do with a MYSTERY RAPTURE to Heaven before the Tribulation.

You create the term mystery rapture, and then put it in large capital letters. "MYSTERY RAPTURE"
Why do you insist on a play on words to convey a wrongful meaning?

You are attempting to tie the rapture/resurrection to the Matthew 24;31 gathering - but it still doesn't work this post, as it has never worked in times before, and will never work in times in the future - because it doesn't fit what 1thessalonians4:13-18 says about Jesus himself coming for us - and not sending out angels to gather us.

 

[iamlamad]

Do not be deceived by minor differences.
They are clearly three different accounts of the same conversation.


Mat 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.





Mar 13:1 And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!

Mar 13:2 And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Mar 13:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,

Mar 13:4 Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?

Mar 13:5 And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you:

Mar 13:6 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.




Luk 21:5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,

Luk 21:6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Luk 21:7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?

Luk 21:8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.
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Is it possible or even probable that Luke wrote of more things said while at the temple, but Mark and Matthew wrote of the more private discussion on the Mt of Olives?

 

[iamlamad]

I am well aware that the MYSTERY that Paul is talking about is the changing of the believers still alive into an immortal physical body UNTO the Coming of the Lord.My point is that the changing into immortality of the living believers is TIED with the resurrection of the dead believers and is TIED with the Trumpet sounding AFTER the Tribulation.

What i have explained to you is that this have nothing to do with a MYSTERY RAPTURE to Heaven before the Tribulation.

the changing into immortality of the living believers is TIED with the resurrection of the dead believers and is TIED with the Trumpet sounding AFTER the Tribulation.

You did well until " AFTER the Tribulation." This part you certainly cannot prove by scripture. No one every has. This is proven by the same old, tired arguments back and forth that has been going on for a hundred years.

Certainly there will be a trumpet sound at Paul's rapture, and certainly there will be after the tribulation. No one has every proved they are one and the same. In fact, a close study, WITHOUT preconceptions, will show it to be impossible.

 

[iamlamad]

The rapture/resurrection has not taken place yet has it? Yet, we are living in the last days, the end times. So we are not ignorant of the times and seasons - that the day of the Lord should overtake us. We are to be looking up, watchful, hopeful to escape those things that are about to come up on the earth.

The Jews are not saying peace and safety, nor is the rest of world. But they soon will be when their perceived messiah arrives following Gog/Magog, and they think they will have entered the messianic age.

So right now we are in a pre-70th week, pre-trib state, pre day of the Lord state. But close.

Agreed!

 

[Psalm3704]

The areas now known today as "The Temple Mount" and "The Wailing Wall" were part of Fort Antonia.

Ahh no, that's incorrect. The area of the temple and the Wailing Wall which is the Western Wall is not part of the Antonia Fortress. The fort is on the northern side and the western wall is on........well, the west side!

The Romans did not destroy the fort they had built, during the siege of 70 AD.

The Antonia was destroyed in 70 AD by Titus' army during the siege of Jerusalem. Titus captured the fortress as a precursor to attacking the Temple complex. He had the Antonia leveled to allow passage of siege materials to the temple.​

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonia_Fortress​

In 70 A.D. Titus destroyed the Antonia Fortress while sparing the Herodian Fortress. According to Josephus it was the 5th and 7th Roman legions that had destroyed the Antonia Fortress.​

http://www.bible-history.com/antonia-fortress/antoniafortress_destroyed_in_70_a_d_.html​

The Romans did not destroy the fort they had built, during the siege of 70 AD.

http://rogerswebsite.com/others/The-Temple-Mount-and-Fort-Antonio.htm

During the last few years, Israeli archeologists excavated the only part of the temple that would be left if the temple was taken down to the ground. There was an underground sewer system which carried the blood and water away from the temple, after the daily sacrifices.

By following this sewer system the archeologists have located the basement of Solomon's temple. It contained the clay seals used to seal temple scrolls. Some of these seals contained the names of temple priests.

Solomon's Temple wasn't destroyed in 70 AD, it was destroyed at 587 BC.







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[BABerean2]

The rapture/resurrection has not taken place yet has it? Yet, we are living in the last days, the end times. So we are not ignorant of the times and seasons - that the day of the Lord should overtake us. We are to be looking up, watchful, hopeful to escape those things that are about to come up on the earth.

The Jews are not saying peace and safety, nor is the rest of world. But they soon will be when their perceived messiah arrives following Gog/Magog, and they think they will have entered the messianic age.

So right now we are in a pre-70th week, pre-trib state, pre day of the Lord state. But close.

You completely ignored what is plainly written in the text.

Why?

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[keras]

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

My point is this terrible event isn't the Return of Jesus, but as the sequence of Revelation confirms, His wrath is an event years before that glorious Day. I gave the quotes that tell us the Lord will be hidden on His Day of wrath.
That the Lord's Day of vengeance and wrath is before Jesus' Return, is clear from Isaiah 61:2b that Jesus didn't quote at the commencement of His ministry, because that worldwide disaster will be the first of the end time events.

 

[BABerean2]

Ahh no, that's incorrect. The area of the temple and the Wailing Wall which is the Western Wall is not part of the Antonia Fortress. The fort is on the northern side and the western wall is on........well, the west side!

Mat 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

During the last few years Israeli archeologist Eli Shukron and his team did an excavation underground, at the base of the wall known today as "The Wailing Wall".
During the excavation Eli discovered at Roman coin dated 20 AD, at the bottom of the wall.
Therefore the wall had to be built after 20 AD, which was after the Second temple was completed.

Eli Shukron has stated that the wall could not be part of the Jewish temple, for this reason.

The one thing often times more powerful than scripture and history, is tradition...

Thousands of Roman soldiers were needed to police the city of Jerusalem, during the time of Christ.
There is no way that many soldiers could have been quartered within the space provided, in the drawing posted above. A much larger Fort Antonia would have been required.

If we would believe what Jesus said above, we could find the truth...
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[Riberra]

the changing into immortality of the living believers is TIED with the resurrection of the dead believers and is TIED with the Trumpet sounding AFTER the Tribulation.

You did well until " AFTER the Tribulation." This part you certainly cannot prove by scripture. No one every has. This is proven by the same old, tired arguments back and forth that has been going on for a hundred years.

Certainly there will be a trumpet sound at Paul's rapture, and certainly there will be after the tribulation. No one has every proved they are one and the same. In fact, a close study, WITHOUT preconceptions, will show it to be impossible.

I can show you in the Scriptures the trumpet that will sound AFTER the Tribulation.Can you do the same and show us using Scriptures the trumpet that will sound at "Paul's rapture" that you say will happen -some moment before or/ at the opening of the 6Th seal?

Here the trumpet that will sound AFTER the Tribulation UNTO the Coming of the Lord.
Matthew 24
29 Immediately AFTER the Tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great Sound of a Trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Edited to add.
Thanks to Bible 2 who in one of his post have pointed out where is the last trump that Paul is talking about ...

 

[iamlamad]

I can show you in the Scriptures the trumpet that will sound AFTER the Tribulation.Can you do the same and show us using Scriptures the trumpet that will sound at "Paul's rapture" that you say will happen -some moment before or/ at the opening of the 6Th seal?

Here the trumpet that will sound AFTER the Tribulation .
Matthew 24
29 Immediately AFTER the Tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great Sound of a Trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

For sure A trumpet will sound after the tribulation. You cannot "show" anyone that it is Paul's "last trump."
The coming of Jesus in 1 thes. will be the trigger for the start of the Day of the Lord. This is Paul's timing. It does not fit your timing. It fits Rev. 6 timing. And John 14 shows where we go when we are caught up. At that time Jesus is in heaven. Since you have made your OWN appointment with His wrath, by simply not believing you can "escape," you will get to meet the Beast or his representatives who will give you some options you won't like. Of course God has already given His options concerning taking the Mark.

 

[iamlamad]

My point is this terrible event isn't the Return of Jesus, but as the sequence of Revelation confirms, His wrath is an event years before that glorious Day. I gave the quotes that tell us the Lord will be hidden on His Day of wrath.
That the Lord's Day of vengeance and wrath is before Jesus' Return, is clear from Isaiah 61:2b that Jesus didn't quote at the commencement of His ministry, because that worldwide disaster will be the first of the end time events.

That is because you deny that the 1 Thes. 4 coming is before John's verse of "the day of His wrath has come." In fact, His coming will be the TRIGGER for Day of His wrath.

 

[iamlamad]

You completely ignored what is plainly written in the text.

Why?

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You wrote,
"1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
(This places the event at the end of chapter 4 on the Day of the Lord when He comes as a thief in the night, found in 2nd Peter 3:10 and Revelation 16:15, which are clearly Second Coming passages.)"

In a way you are right, for He already came one, and when He comes FOR His bride, it will indeed be the SECOND time He comes - so "second coming" will be true. His "second" coming will come at a time of peace and safety, and that time will be the LAST time for years that anyone will even be thinking of peace and safety. That time ONLY fits a pretrib rapture. It will indeed be the "day of the Lord" as soon as the living in Christ are caught up to meet the dead in Christ. Paul TELLS US this; but it will be before the 70th week begins, NOT after the days of GT Jesus spoke of. WAKE UP! John SAW the raptured church in heaven in Rev. 7.

The DAY comes as a thief because JESUS comes as in 1 Thes. 5:2 His coming will be the TRIGGER for the Day. He comes as shown in 1 Thes. 4, and Paul tells us then that the DAY will come with the Sudden Destruction - also His wrath beginning. God said He would not set any appointments but you insist on setting your own.

Romans 5:9

Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

1 Thessalonians 1:10
And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

1 Thessalonians 5:9
For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

Rev 3:10
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Luke 21
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

All these tell me your theory is WAY off from the truth of scripture.

 

[Riberra]

For sure A trumpet will sound after the tribulation. You cannot "show" anyone that it is Paul's "last trump."

There is no trumpet sounding at the opening of the 6th seal written in Scriptures

The coming of Jesus in 1 thes. will be the trigger for the start of the Day of the Lord.

There is no Coming of Jesus mentioned at the opening of the 6th seal.

This is Paul's timing. It does not fit your timing. It fits Rev. 6 timing.

Paul wrote that the timing is Unto the Coming of the Lord.

And John 14 shows where we go when we are caught up.

We will meet Jesus unto His Coming ...at the moment of our gathering Jesus will be in the clouds in the air over the ground.

At that time Jesus is in heaven.

When Jesus will descend from Heaven with the souls of dead believers as Paul wrote,Jesus will not be in Heaven anymore...but on His way to Earth.

Since you have made your OWN appointment with His wrath,

We as Christians are not appointed with God's wrath.

by simply not believing you can "escape," you will get to meet the Beast or his representatives who will give you some options you won't like. Of course God has already given His options concerning taking the Mark.

You seem a little to much confident that you will not be TRIED.You are on your way for some big surprises when the -hour of trial- will come.

 

[Douggg]

You completely ignored what is plainly written in the text.

Why?

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What do you mean? Paul said we are not ignorant of the times... which I am not ignorant that these are the end times, the last days. The rapture/resurrection has not taken place yet. And we are in a pre-70th week, pre-trib, pre-Day of the Lord state. But we are close to Gog/Magog, to be followed by the arrival of Judaism's messiah. who will be the Antichrist.

 

[Douggg]

My point is this terrible event isn't the Return of Jesus, but as the sequence of Revelation confirms, His wrath is an event years before that glorious Day. I gave the quotes that tell us the Lord will be hidden on His Day of wrath.
That the Lord's Day of vengeance and wrath is before Jesus' Return, is clear from Isaiah 61:2b that Jesus didn't quote at the commencement of His ministry, because that worldwide disaster will be the first of the end time events.

You are not communicating very well. What terrible event are you speaking of? Your CME theory? You wrote in the what is your end times scenario thread....
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Soon to happen: The great and terrible Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, a CME sunstrike. Isaiah 30:26, Malachi 4:1 It will be the Sixth seal event of cosmic and worldwide effects and the Middle East will be depopulated, cleared and cleansed, Ezekiel 30:1-5 It will be the fulfilment of Psalm 83, Isaiah 2:12-21, 2 Peter 3:7 and Rev. 6:12-17 A small Jewish remnant will survive in Jerusalem. Isaiah 4:3 Many will die around the world: Isaiah 51:6, Jer.9:22, but most will survive and eventually re-establish the infrastructure.
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The bible says in 2thessalonians2:3-4, day of the Lord does not happen until the man of sin is revealed. Has not happened, Keras.

The verse in Isaiah 30:26 may well be applicable to the fourth vial in Revelation 16:8. But the verse in Isaiah 30:26 has nothing to do with the Sixth Seal events.

What you have done is taken a verse Isaiah 30:26 in the tanach, the old testament, and have not put Isaiah 30:26 into context of all the progressive revelation on the end times that God has given since then to clarify the end times picture.

You have taken Isaiah 30:26 and have constructed an end times scenario around it. The problem is, your resulting scenario is in monumental conflict with the rest of the bible.

 

[Job8]

My point is that the changing into immortality of the living believers is TIED with the resurrection of the dead believers and is TIED with the Trumpet sounding AFTER the Tribulation.

Except that the trumpets heralding wrath and judgments in Revelation have nothing to do with a trumpet sound heralding salvation and the perfection of the saints. This is where all the confusion lies: apples = oranges.

 

[n2thelight]

Mt 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.


2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.


The Wailing wall is not the temple, Israel been seaching for the exact spot where the temple sat for years, their "digging around" on the mount looking for that spot has caused problems between them and the Muslims.

Matthew 24:1"And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and His disciples came to Him for to shew Him the buildings of the temple."

Buildings,Plural

We read in Matt. 24:1-2, “And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple; and His disciples came to Him for to shew Him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said unto them, ‘See ye not all these things: verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down'”. Was this prophecy fulfilled in 70 AD?
We will consider the following topics in order to come to a correct view of this prophecy:


“THE BUILDINGS”
THE CONTEXT
PROPHECY AND THE DISPENSATION OF THE MYSTERY
MAN’S REALITY AND GOD’S REALITY
“THE BUILDINGS”

We read in Matt. 24:1 that the disciples showed Jesus “the buildings of the temple”. And our Lord told His disciples that “there shall not be left here one stone upon another“. But the western wall, also known as “the wailing wall” proves that some stones were indeed left upon others, proving that this prophecy was not fulfilled in 70 AD.

Some have suggested that the western wall was not part of the temple. Strictly speaking that is true, the western wall was part of the retaining wall that surrounded the temple. But I believe a careful study of the phrase in Matt. 24:1 is called for. That phrase is, “for to shew Him the buildings of the temple”. The Greek word translated “buildings” in this phrase is “kubia”. It is indeed a very interesting word. It is used eighteen times and is translated “building(s)” six times and “edify” or “edification” twelve times. It is clear that the basic meaning of the word is “edification”. The archaic definition of the English words “edify” and “edification” means “build or construct“. The noun form then is “structure”

In fact, if we look again at Matt. 24:1 I think we may see that definition more clearly. “…..His disciples came to Him for to shew Him the buildings of the temple”. Note that we do not read that they showed Christ “the temple” but the “buildings of the temple”. In my opinion, because the Greek word is so often translated “edify” or “edification” this indicates the structures of the temple as that is what “edify” means. (I never cease to marvel at how God used the exact word so that we might know exactly what He intended us to understand.) Let us continue with this phrase “the buildings of the temple” with a consideration of the word “of”. In my opinion the “of” is the Genitive of Relation which the Companion Bible defines as “equivalent to ‘pertaining to'”.

In other words, the phrase “the buildings of the Temple” may be understood as “the structures pertaining to the temple”.
So the Greek word tells us that it means a structure. In that case, I believe that, as used in Matt. 24:1, the word includes the retaining wall. Therefore, we must conclude that this prophecy was not fulfilled in 70 AD. It is as simple as that. God’s prophecies are always fulfilled exactly, not approximately. It is not true that there are no stones left upon another in the structures pertaining to the temple, therefore this prophecy was not fulfilled in 70 A.D. But let us continue in this study in order to be as thorough as possible.

THE CONTEXT
Let us consider verse 3 of Matt. 24, “And as He sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto Him privately, saying, ‘Tell us, when shall these things be and what shall be the sign of Thy coming, and of the end of the world?” (The Greek word translated “world” is “aion” and should be translated “age”.)

First our Lord tells His disciples that the temple buildings will be destroyed and then they ask Him about the sign of His coming and of the end of the age. In other words, the questions concerned the end times. Note the question, “when shall these things be?”. “These things” refers to the destruction of the temple buildings and their questions are associated with the events of the end times. If nothing else this tells us that the entire conversation concerning the destruction of the temple buildings was of the end times.

Indeed we see three passages in Daniel that tell of the destruction of the temple in the end times; “…..and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary....” (Dan. 9:26b, see also Dan. 8:11 and 13 and 11:31). Because the questions in particular, and the entire conversation in general, were of the end times, it is most natural to conclude that the destruction Christ spoke of concerns the destruction of the end times.

PROPHECY AND THE DISPENSATION OF THE MYSTERY
When Israel was set aside at the end of the Acts period prophecies concerning Israel were put in abeyance. In other words, during the dispensation of the mystery no prophecies that are centered on Israel are being fulfilled. That being the case, the prophecy of Matt. 24:1-2 could not have been fulfilled by the Romans because that was accomplished after Israel had been set aside, therefore after the beginning of the dispensation of the mystery, i.e. in a dispensation in which no prophecy centered on Israel is being fulfilled.
MAN’S REALITY AND GOD’S REALITY

The argument is made that our Lord was speaking of those very stones that would be destroyed and those very stones were destroyed in 70 A.D. But as we have seen above, those stones were not totally destroyed because the western wall still stands.

That which has been shall be again...The destruction in ad70 was a type of what would happen in the future

I Corinthians 10:11 "Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come."

"Ensamples" in the manuscripts is the Greek word "tupos", number 5179 in the Strong's Greek dictionary. "a sample, or type; i.e. a model for imitation, a fashion, for manner, or form." So Paul is telling us that those things that we read about in the Old Testament, of the events of the prophets of old are examples of what we should be looking for in our day. This is written to alert all people to be aware of how it shall be before Christ returns. What was written in the Exodus, or in Amos is written as examples for our admonition or warning. All of the Scriptures is given as a warning to those who are living in the times of the ends of this world age of the flesh. We will see the end of the flesh age come to a close, and there are many things that will come to pass right before our eyes that were written about in detail way back in the Old Testament time, and Paul is telling you and I to wake up to those warnings.

Each of the events that took place, the opening of the Red sea, the building of the false religious forms, and so on. God is telling us "look little children that is what is going to happen to you at the close of this earth age". We are living in that age, and these things are happening now. Can you learn by this? It is so simple. God did not leave us helpless nor hopeless in these end times, and that is why we must become skilled in all of His Word. It is all an example of what is going to befall us in our generation.