OOOOOO Scary Mirror Trick

[crjmurray]

Aw man this has gotten weird.

 

[AV1611VET]

Understand or believe?

Understand.

1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[HitchSlap]

Understand.

1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

I disagree with your assertion.

Why don't you do your best to explain it.

 

[AV1611VET]

I disagree with your assertion.

Why don't you do your best to explain it.

Sure.

The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[HitchSlap]

Sure.

The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Check.

Go on. Why do spirits need to be "beaconed?"

 

[Wgw]

Yes indeed.

I'm a believer that that kind of stuff is actually beaconing the spiritual world.

The Bloody Mary game, Ouija Boards and, dare I include it, D&D.

Some do think they are overreacting, but then, most scientists are Sadducees, in that they don't believe ...

Acts 23:8 For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, neither angel, nor spirit:

So it doesn't surprise me that they would come up with an alternate term such as overreacting.

Orthodox Christianity firmly rejects the existence of ghosts or benign spirits. What someone is doing here is not "beaconing" a spirit, but rather, indulging the passions in a manner that opens them up to severe prelest. We do not reccommend such dabbling in the occult; we abhorr the Ouija Board and macabre "games" such as this, as doing these things tends to be rather self-destructive.

 

[Wgw]

Check.

Go on. Why do spirits need to be "beaconed?"

They do not, of course, Hitch. If someone does this they are essentially indulging the most base defilements of the human mind, opening the door to self-deception and general misery.

 

[AV1611VET]

Orthodox Christianity firmly rejects the existence of ghosts or benign spirits.

Emphasis on "benign"?

No room for fallen angels in your theology?

 

[AV1611VET]

They do not, of course, Hitch. If someone does this they are essentially indulging the most base defilements of the human mind, opening the door to self-deception and general misery.

Can you explain the Maniac of Gadara from your perspective then?

 

[Wgw]

Emphasis on "benign"?

No room for fallen angels in your theology?

Emphasis on benign, indeed. Certainly one does in yielding to the passions in this manner open oneself up to the most disagreeable demonic malevolence according to our monastic fathers. However, this malevolence does not need to be "beaconed," it is continually present and attacks us in accord with our passions and our own self-deception.

 

[Wgw]

Can you explain the Maniac of Gadara from your perspective then?

Well, from a strictly Orthodox perspective, the "general misery" I mentioned would include demonaic posession, which is distinct from mental illness. I am not going to ask Hitch to believe that.

 

[AV1611VET]

Emphasis on benign, indeed. Certainly one does in yielding to the passions in this manner open oneself up to the most disagreeable demonic malevolence according to our monastic fathers. However, this malevolence does not need to be "beaconed," it is continually present and attacks us in accord with our passions and our own self-deception.

So you're okay using adjectives like "demonic," but as a noun -- out of the question.

Right?

That's like athiests using the term "moral," when "moral" actually deals with man's relationsip to God.

As opposed to "ethical," which deals with man's relationships to their fellow men.

 

[crjmurray]

It's just an optical illusion guys.

 

[AV1611VET]

Well, from a strictly Orthodox perspective, the "general misery" I mentioned would include demonaic posession, which is distinct from mental illness.

I'm confused.

Was the maniac of Gadara possed by fallen angels?

If you reject the concept of fallen angels, then where did that guy get his strength?

 

[AV1611VET]

It's just an optical illusion guys.

We'll tackle this from inside our brains ... but thanks, anyway.

 

[Wgw]

I'm confused.

Was the maniac of Gadara possed by fallen angels?

Yes.

If you reject the concept of fallen angels, then where did that guy get his strength?

I do not reject these; your post, when I read it, implied the existence of "spirits" and suggested to me you meant ghosts, good or bad. The Orthodox reject the existence of ghosts and regard attempting to communicate with spirits as inadvisable.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes.



I do not reject these; your post, when I read it, implied the existence of "spirits" and suggested to me you meant ghosts, good or bad. The Orthodox reject the existence of ghosts and regard attempting to communicate with spirits as inadvisable.

I'm totally lost here, Wgw.

I believe some activities, such as Ouija boarding, D&D, and playing Bloody Mary get the attention of {fallen angels, ghosts, demons, things that go bump in the night, whatever you want to call them} and they attempt to respond accordingly.

HOWEVER, in this dispensation, they can only go so far, since the Holy Ghost keeps their activities in check.

The technical term for this is ontological subordination.

In some cases ... maybe 1% of the time ... they can "break through" and make contact with someone who engages in these activities with passion.

At this point, the user (or player) either becomes demon possessed, demon influenced, or "visited" in some other way.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

Why would a demon need to be awakened?

It's a manner of speaking. using tools like a Ouija board you alert them of your presence.

 

[HitchSlap]

It's a manner of speaking. using tools like a Ouija board you alert them of your presence.

Are there any other parlor games that are capable of alerting them to your presence?

 

[Wgw]

I'm totally lost here, Wgw.

I believe some activities, such as Ouija boarding, D&D, and playing Bloody Mary get the attention of {fallen angels, ghosts, demons, things that go bump in the night, whatever you want to call them} and they attempt to respond accordingly.

HOWEVER, in this dispensation, they can only go so far, since the Holy Ghost keeps their activities in check.

The technical term for this is ontological subordination.

In some cases ... maybe 1% of the time ... they can "break through" and make contact with someone who engages in these activities with passion.

At this point, the user (or player) either becomes demon possessed, demon influenced, or "visited" in some other way.

I agree, provided you regard demons and fallen angels as synonymous and omit the word "ghosts," and replace the phrase "attract the attention of" with "open oneself up to the influence of."

This is not mere quibbling; there is a daimonological distinction which is directly relevant to Orthodoxy, in my opinion.