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Evolution is Not Atheistic

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From my study of what the Bible truly teaches though, I have to say that if the theory of evolution is true, then at least the Bible is wrong and false. Now this does not necessarily rule out an all-able and all-knowing creator. But it would then seem that the God of the Bible is not that creator since he is wrong about his own creation. Unless somehow the Bible was changed in those parts, which seems highly unlikely to me.
Some christians consider the entire bible to be the literal truth. Most christians read some of the bible as allegory. Those that read genesis as allegory, have no problem with evolution.
I though, do not see how this theory can be true. It doesn't make enough sense from my research. I'll leave it at that for now.
Where one draws the line between a literal interpretation and allegory, affects the degree to which science "makes sense".
 
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I cannot see Evolution has any semblance to Christianity. God wouldn't produce a monkey (fish) in place of an eventual man. I believe God created our world according to the bible

I also believe - according to the bible - that God created -The Earth - some millions of years before - where the Sons of God reigned (giants) until God destroyed them with the dinosaurs because they tried to usurp Him and because of their corruption Science provides evidence of this ancient world time and time again.

God created our world from the dust of the earth. In Genesis you will see that God speaks of a world and of an earth two different things.
God gave man another chance and he's messed it all up again so He'll be back soon in the form of His Son
 
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The path from amino acids and peptides to a living cell with DNA is currently unknown.
Of course. And IF AND WHEN it becomes known, fine. My major belief stemming from my monotheism is that I look at the universe and I see that it is designed out of the infinite possible universes to bring forth sentient moral life. Whether this happens with the direct intervention of God, or whether God simply creates the laws of nature and lets them rock and roll, either way it is His doing.
 
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Of course. And IF AND WHEN it becomes known, fine. My major belief stemming from my monotheism is that I look at the universe and I see that it is designed out of the infinite possible universes to bring forth sentient moral life. Whether this happens with the direct intervention of God, or whether God simply creates the laws of nature and lets them rock and roll, either way it is His doing.
I've pondered these things for decades and I concluded that if there were infinite possible universes then one of them would be able to contact us ! LOL. I found it difficult all my life to believe in a young earth because science and observation clearly indicate billions of years; seemingly. I must say, I simply don't know. I have faith in God's Word and I take the Bible literally, so now I lean towards a younger earth, no matter the age of the universe.
 
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I have faith in God's Word and I take the Bible literally, so now I lean towards a younger earth, no matter the age of the universe.
Do you think God lied, that He deliberately placed deceitful evidence of an ancient earth around for us to find?
 
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Do you think God lied, that He deliberately placed deceitful evidence of an ancient earth around for us to find?
please rephrase, I don't understand that question.
 
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I also believe - according to the bible - that God created -The Earth - some millions of years before - where the Sons of God reigned (giants) until God destroyed them with the dinosaurs because they tried to usurp Him and because of their corruption Science provides evidence of this ancient world time and time again.

Ignoring, of course, that there's no physical evidence for any of this, where is it in the Bible?
 
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You are right, it started with the pagans. I've read in the Church History going against many things sound like more or less what Evolutionists believe. A certain work comes to mind.
Uh, no, if anything, it started with Christians, which was the faith of those which contributed most to the theory at the start, and probably up to modern times. To be fair though, Darwin did become more agnostic and unsure over the course of his research.
 
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Some christians consider the entire bible to be the literal truth. Most christians read some of the bible as allegory. Those that read genesis as allegory, have no problem with evolution.

Where one draws the line between a literal interpretation and allegory, affects the degree to which science "makes sense".
To question creation in Genesis also means questioning the story of Noah and hence the whole Bible. Every word of the Bible is true whether we get it or not.
 
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I've pondered these things for decades and I concluded that if there were infinite possible universes then one of them would be able to contact us ! LOL. I found it difficult all my life to believe in a young earth because science and observation clearly indicate billions of years; seemingly. I must say, I simply don't know. I have faith in God's Word and I take the Bible literally, so now I lean towards a younger earth, no matter the age of the universe.
Why assume that the laws of the multiverse allow for any travel between them? Attempts at it could lead to universe ending catastrophe for all we know.
 
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Ignoring, of course, that there's no physical evidence for any of this, where is it in the Bible?
"And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."
(Genesis 1:2 KJV)

The Bible clearly says the Earth was already here before the work of the seven-days even begins.

"For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men."
(2 Pet 3:5-7 KJV)
 
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"And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."
(Genesis 1:2 KJV)

The Bible clearly says the Earth was already here before the work of the seven-days even begins.
Which brings up something interesting: that would imply that the universe itself is not necessarily a godly creation, and that not all things that exist were created by god, as per biblical canon.
 
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Which brings up something interesting: that would imply that the universe itself is not necessarily a godly creation, and that not all things that exist were created by god, as per biblical canon.
If it was not a Godly creation then He wouldn't have needed to destroy it when the sons of God came down (giants) and mated with the daughters of men. These same giants that created the buildings that were impossible to have been built by modern man. Of course there are always the odd people that say that modern man DID make them but no one has been able to replicate them even with modern machinery and to those sceptics I would say..
I would like to see that - really! I would love to see modern man build them but no one has or ever will
 
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If it was not a Godly creation then He wouldn't have needed to destroy it when the sons of God came down (giants) and mated with the daughters of men. These same giants that created the buildings that were impossible to have been built by modern man. Of course there are always the odd people that say that modern man DID make them but no one has been able to replicate them even with modern machinery and to those sceptics I would say..
I would like to see that - really! I would love to see modern man build them but no one has or ever will
If you are referring to the pyramids and other stuff like that, it has been figured out. The only reason we don't redo the whole process is because it would take a super long time, put people in harm's way, and there aren't enough people that want to. However, in some cases, groups have gotten together to put replicas of ancient buildings together in the "old fashioned" way and been successful.

Additionally, unless those giants were the Hulk, smaller humans could have just as well done any building without giants, it just would have taken more humans... until you take an anatomy class and realize that bigger is not better, and any biped (creature that walks upright on two legs) taller than about 6 ft has structural strain on their bodies from their own size which makes them weaker and more brittle than their shorter peers. And no, by the biological limits of bipeds, thicker bones would not have solved the problem.
 
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If you are referring to the pyramids and other stuff like that, it has been figured out. The only reason we don't redo the whole process is because it would take a super long time, put people in harm's way, and there aren't enough people that want to. However, in some cases, groups have gotten together to put replicas of ancient buildings together in the "old fashioned" way and been successful.

Additionally, unless those giants were the Hulk, smaller humans could have just as well done any building without giants, it just would have taken more humans... until you take an anatomy class and realize that bigger is not better, and any biped (creature that walks upright on two legs) taller than about 6 ft has structural strain on their bodies from their own size which makes them weaker and more brittle than their shorter peers. And no, by the biological limits of bipeds, thicker bones would not have solved the problem.
Ok so what about all the skeletons of the giants discovered times over? Do you want to hide from then like some scientists who fear they have been given wrong data that has given them their status?
 
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Ok so what about all the skeletons of the giants discovered times over? Do you want to hide from then like some scientists who fear they have been given wrong data that has given them their status?
Oh, you mean Homo erectus? I find it amazing the variation seen in that species, it far exceeds that of our own. Yes, some of them were quite tall, while others far shorter than the average human. While I wouldn't be shocked if ancient people would have considered those giants, they died out long before the pyramids were built. I am not even sure there were populations endemic to that region.
 
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