True Justification, works of the Law of Moses, & Conditional Security

[Bible Highlighter]

What you have written is frankly ridiculous. If gal2:16 does not refer to the moral law how could Paul be found to be a sinner concerning law he faultlessly obeyed?
I am afraid your errant beliefs simply fall apart when put under the microscope, as they did with gal3:10&11

You most certainly do add to what is written, you have no choice for you contradict what is written

I am sorry you did not understand what I had written. I will pray for you.


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[stuart lawrence]

Why did He let the woman who committed adultery go?

You've bypassed that whole question and jumped to another verse. Doesn't that seem weird to you? That Jesus Christ let her go because no one was without sin to stone her.

Why did not Jesus Himself pick up a stone and lob it at her? He was without sin.

How do you get passed that. It's clear as day.

I think Jason is in a bad place. He seems unable to tell us what born again means to him or what the law being put inside of him does. It seems he needs to reference it to find out. I honestly believe there was more grace in the old covenant than in jadons version of the new one, for then sacrifices for sin could be made, so sinless perfection was never on the table
Jason now demands sinless perfection though he admits he does not obey all of Christs literal laws himself
It is just history repeating itself to me sadly

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Why did He let the woman who committed adultery go?

You've bypassed that whole question and jumped to another verse. Doesn't that seem weird to you? That Jesus Christ let her go because no one was without sin to stone her.

Why did not Jesus Himself pick up a stone and lob it at her? He was without sin.

How do you get passed that. It's clear as day.

Because God is looking for people to repent. God is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. Repentance is confessing one's sins and turning from their evil and wicked ways.

For he that confesses and forsake sin shall have mercy (Proverbs 28:13).

Also, the other passage I quoted to you does not in any way undo what I said concerning it. It is still true. Unless of course you have some strange way of explaining it away or something.


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[stuart lawrence]

I am sorry you did not understand what I had written. I will pray for you.


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Oh boy, that kind of statement takes me back many years. It is so superficial Jason.

 

[ToBeLoved]

I never said I was without sin. I said I do not sin those types of sins that lead unto death on a daily basis. Yes, I sometimes faulter, but I confess my sins so as to be forgiven of sin, and I do not live in grevious sins that would cause one not to inherit the Kingdom of God like lying, hate, adultery, theft, etc. For there are sins unto death and there are sins that are not unto death (1 John 5:16-18). For breaking the command to be baptized is not a sin that leads unto death (See 1 Peter 3:21). But if one decides to break the command of forgiving others, then one will not be forgiven (Matthew 6:14-15). It is a command one cannot break without there being any spiritual death consequences. For obviously one cannot be saved and also not be forgiven by the Father.

Also, I am not claiming it is YOU who does the work or who ultimately obeys, either. I believe that once a person becomes born again, then they have the free will choice to surrender to God whereby He can then do the "good work" within them.

But how can I defend Sinless Perfectionism or in the belief that a believer can stop sinning? Because that is the goal for every believer. I am telling folks to believe the Scriiptures and to strive in overcome sin as the goal. To not give in. Sort of like if I was in a prison wrongfully along with others (who were also wrongfully imprisoned) to encourage us in escaping so as to be free. Freedom is the goal. Giving in and saying we will never be free is just admitting to your own bondage and remaining in hopelessness. But who overcomes sin? Me? You? No. God does that thru the believer. So only Jesus can get the glory for any good done in your life.


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But 1 John 5:16-18 is talking about the Father not giving us what is against His Holiness. He is not going to hear our prayers and then give us bad things. Things that will cause us to sin. Take us away from what is spiritual back to which is carnal and cause us to stumble.

14 This is the confidence which we have before Him, that, if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us. 15 And if we know that He hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests which we have asked from Him. 16 If anyone sees his brother committing a sin not leading to death, he shall ask and God will for him give life to those who commit sin not leading to death. There is a sin leading to death; I do not say that he should make request for this.

This is about prayer.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I think Jason is in a bad place. He seems unable to tell us what born again means to him or what the law being put inside of him does. It seems he needs to reference it to find out. I honestly believe there was more grace in the old covenant than in jadons version of the new one, for then sacrifices for sin could be made, so sinless perfection was never on the table
Jason now demands sinless perfection though he admits he does not obey all of Christs literal laws himself
It is just history repeating itself to me sadly

I am not in a bad place. I am at peace with God and I have love in my heart for all people. I seek to glorify Jesus Christ and not myself in all I do.

Any good done in my life is all due to God. I cannot take the credit (even though you insist that I must take the credit - when I believe no such thing).

As for the question on being born again: Again, I need time outside of work to collect even more verses than I have now and write in a way that is not hindered by a lack of time. See, to me, this is a question that one can spend some time on. I am concerned in doing this because I am thinking of the brethren that are out there who need good solid responses with the Word of God (And not some fly by night answer that was rushed and not thought thru entirely). Again, I am limited on time to answer a question like this. So please learn to be patient.


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[ToBeLoved]

Because God is looking for people to repent. God is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. Repentance is confessing one's sins and turning from their evil and wicked ways.

For he that confesses and forsake sin shall have mercy (Proverbs 28:13).

Also, the other passage I quoted to you does not in any way undo what I said concerning it. It is still true. Unless of course you have some strange way of explaining it away or something.


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But He did not ask her if she was sorry. If she would never sin again. If she repented.

He told her 'Go and sin no more'.

That is not repentence. A sinner repents. She did not repent.

What verses do you have that shows she repented?

 

[stuart lawrence]

I am not in a bad place. I am at peace with God and I have love in my heart for all people. I seek to glorify Jesus Christ and not myself in all I do.

Any good done in my life is all due to God. I cannot take the credit (even though you insist that I must take the credit - when I believe no such thing).

As for the question on being born again: Again, I need time outside of work to collect even more verses than I have now and write in a way that is not hindered by a lack of time. See, to me, this is a question that one can spend some time on. I am concerned in doing this because I am thinking of the brethren that are out there who need good solid responses with the Word of God (And not some fly by night answer that was rushed and not thought thru entirely). Again, I am limited on time to answer a question like this. So please learn to be patient.


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Thank you for proving me right, you cannot respond ad to what those things mean to you personally can you.
For the literal letter cannot explain that, you have to understand what that letter is saying and see it worked out in your own life.
You are in a bad place Jason, the problem is, you appear not to see it

 

[Bible Highlighter]

But 1 John 5:16-18 is talking about the Father not giving us what is against His Holiness. He is not going to hear our prayers and then give us bad things. Things that will cause us to sin. Take us away from what is spiritual back to which is carnal and cause us to stumble.

14 This is the confidence which we have before Him, that, if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us. 15 And if we know that He hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests which we have asked from Him. 16 If anyone sees his brother committing a sin not leading to death, he shall ask and God will for him give life to those who commit sin not leading to death. There is a sin leading to death; I do not say that he should make request for this.

This is about prayer.

Yes, the context is about prayer. We are to pray for those who struggle with sin that they are confessing (i.e. sins that do not lead unto death). As for those who are sinning in the church and not bothering to confess or forsake them, they are outside the body and they need to get their heart right with God again. John is saying that while we are primarily focused on praying for those who are trying to overcome sin and who are trying to confess it, that does not mean he is telling the brethren that they should refuse to pray for those believers who are remaining in sin outside the body.


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[stuart lawrence]

I am not in a bad place. I am at peace with God and I have love in my heart for all people. I seek to glorify Jesus Christ and not myself in all I do.

Any good done in my life is all due to God. I cannot take the credit (even though you insist that I must take the credit - when I believe no such thing).

As for the question on being born again: Again, I need time outside of work to collect even more verses than I have now and write in a way that is not hindered by a lack of time. See, to me, this is a question that one can spend some time on. I am concerned in doing this because I am thinking of the brethren that are out there who need good solid responses with the Word of God (And not some fly by night answer that was rushed and not thought thru entirely). Again, I am limited on time to answer a question like this. So please learn to be patient.


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And in your heart you are not giving God all the glory, you are seeking the praise of men. That id based on scriptural truth and many years of seeing people promote the beliefs you do now

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Thank you for proving me right, you cannot respond ad to what those things mean to you personally can you. For the literal letter cannot explain that, you have to understand what that letter is saying and see it worked out in your own life. You are in a bad place Jason, the problem is, you appear not to see it

I already explained why I am waiting to give a longer reply to your questions (Which would require more time). Please be patient. For do you realize that patience is one of the fruits of the Spirit?

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[stuart lawrence]

Oh I

I already explained why I am waiting to give a longer reply to your questions (Which would require more time). Please be patient. For do you realize that patience is one of the fruits of the Spirit?

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Oh I am in no rush, the longer you take to study the subject before you respond the more you prove me right.
But I will repeat. I didn't ask you for scripture verses but your heartfelt conviction on the subject, something you are clearly unable to give

 

[Bible Highlighter]

And in your heart you are not giving God all the glory, you are seeking the praise of men. That id based on scriptural truth and many years of seeing people promote the beliefs you do now

Not at all. One of things I despise the most is recognition of any kind or to even be seen by others as if I was special (Because I realize that any good comes from God and not myself). For example: I ran into some Christians in a Walmart parking lot. We had a great discussion about the things of God and it was very exciting. I could feel the power of the Spirit while we talked. In our conversation the one man said to me that he could see me being a great preacher. But I actually did not desire anything like that. I do not seek the spot light. I seek to glorify my Father in secret. Hence, the handle for my name on this forum.


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[ToBeLoved]

I will be back later guys. You all have a blessed day and I'll talk again later this afternoon.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Oh I
Oh I am in no rush, the longer you take to study the subject before you respond the more you prove me right.
But I will repeat. I didn't ask you for scripture verses but your heartfelt conviction on the subject, something you are clearly unable to give

If you are in no rush, then you would not insult me by not answering and you would not keep badgering me about it, either.


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[Bible Highlighter]

I will be back later guys. You all have a blessed day and I'll talk again later this afternoon.

Okay. May God bless you.
I also have to talk a little later, too.
Peace be unto you.


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[stuart lawrence]

If you are in no rush, then you would not insult me by not answering and you would not keep badgering me about it, either.


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I haven't insulted you just told the truth. It is important people reading these posts understand you have no heartfelt conviction /knowledge of what born again entails or what the law being placed within you brings
Your beliefs are dangerous if new converts believed them, therefore they need to see why they should not follow what you state

 

[stuart lawrence]

I will be back later guys. You all have a blessed day and I'll talk again later this afternoon.

God bless and make sure you return! This thread needs you

 

[stuart lawrence]

Not at all. One of things I despise the most is recognition of any kind or to even be seen by others as if I was special (Because I realize that any good comes from God and not myself). For example: I ran into some Christians in a Walmart parking lot. We had a great discussion about the things of God and it was very exciting. I could feel the power of the Spirit while we talked. In our conversation the one man said to me that he could see me being a great preacher. But I actually did not desire anything like that. I do not seek the spot light. I seek to glorify my Father in secret. Hence, the handle for my name on this forum.


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Please Jason, don't try and convince me. I was raised with the beliefs you espouse, and the false humility which all too often came with them.
Sorry but that is the truth.

 

[stuart lawrence]

If a person truly loves God in their heart, they could NEVER view not being under a law of righteousness as a reason to be apathetic about God, or go out and sin as much ad they wanted
If a person truly loved their neighbour they could not crush them with demands they fail to live up to in their own life