Transgender "Inclusive"Language:Where does it end and begin?

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I mean people who are on purpose making a show, not ones who are minding their own business. If you on purpose try to show yourself off about something . . . someone is going to criticize you, possibly. This can go for anything.

Criticize is different than what "target" implies. This is why I was asking.

If I know a man or a woman is imitating the other gender, I might let it go at knowing. But am I going to lie, by saying he is a woman or she is a man? Well . . . also . . . I might just not say "he" or "she", but just name the person. Of course, what if he has a female name change or she has a male name change? I don't know what I do. Possibly, I just do not name the person. But I don't have to join in a lie.

My identity is not a lie, so don't worry about joining in a lie.

Well, if someone claims to have changed from being a man to being a woman, or vice versa . . . the person is still a man or woman . . . still has XY or XX. So, it is imitating if someone tries to be a gender which the person is not.

Nature makes people XY female and XX male, so the idea that it must be an imitation if you aren't XY male or XX female is wrong. There are also many other options than just XY or XX. Of course there are options other than just penis or vagina too.

By "pregnancy capable 'man'", I mean a woman who is pretending to be a man. And by "really a man", I mean really XY, which she is not.

Trans people aren't pretending. We aren't imitating. There are XY females and XX males, in nature.
 
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Wow, anti-science, anti-intellectualism, and anti-transgender all in one post. Not going to lie, I'm impressed.

As well as the mention of Indian history and religion, when neither topic has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion at hand in the first place.
 
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Notice how the trans=agenda label is mocked? While it is the trans community that invented a classification for non-trans people. "Cis" gendered? What's the "Cis" short for?

And non-trans have to have a label? To differentiate themselves from the Trans labels?
That's the plan of reforming societal nomenclature at work.

Trans box with labels the natural born emotionally and mentally healthy individuals to classify themselves so they'll not be confused with Transgender people who argue all they're looking for is........equality because labels are cruel!

And the Trans men that think they're female inside have an easier time of it as far as surgical alterations are concerned. If they're female inside they shouldn't hesitate to get their male member surgically removed.
What you're saying here is well established and I don't think anyone but an extremist would argue with the points you make. We're talking about the mentally ill accomodating the mentally ill. The question is: what are we going to do about it? I suggest, perhaps, "nothgendered" instead of "transgendered" as a noun. "Hallucinogendered" would also work. They both denote false perception. Even "fauxgendered" would work. When talking about normal people, use "eugendered", with "eu" being the prefix for good, true, or pure.

It's important to push back against subversive attempts to manipulate language; in doing so, you can bring clarity to the discussion.
 
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Wow, anti-science, anti-intellectualism, and anti-transgender all in one post. Not going to lie, I'm impressed.

So what part is anti-science and anti-intellect in there? I didn't see any outside of the prejudiced interpretation you brought to @fat wee robin 's post
 
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As well as the mention of Indian history and religion, when neither topic has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion at hand in the first place.

Yup.

So what part is anti-science and anti-intellect in there? I didn't see any outside of the prejudiced interpretation you brought to @fat wee robin 's post

"He (Satan) was supposed to be given God's understanding of how He made the creation like science and maths etc. so he was 'brilliant' in the sense intellectual."
"It is usually through vanity ,intellectual mainly, that these souls end up there"
 
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Yup.



"He (Satan) was supposed to be given God's understanding of how He made the creation like science and maths etc. so he was 'brilliant' in the sense intellectual."
"It is usually through vanity ,intellectual mainly, that these souls end up there"
So what part speaks badly of being intellectual?
 
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Criticize is different than what "target" implies. This is why I was asking.
I am offering how a person can make a show of something, and then the person can be targeted . . . or criticized . . . or both. I have made a show of things, and I got criticized, and I was targeted. This can go for anything. So, my point in the case of people wanting to be of a different gender is if they make a show of it, and make a point and project of making a show of it, they can find themselves being attacked or criticized or targeted or whatever . . . maybe much more than someone who just does it and does not make a point of advertising it.

In my case, I don't buy people claiming to change their gender; but I have mainly my own correction which I need.

My identity is not a lie, so don't worry about joining in a lie.
I think there is a lot more to our real identity, than only which sexual organs we were born with. So, I don't buy that sexual preference or gender is very much to do with real identity. But if people are somehow very into their preference and/or gender, then they can consider it to be their identity or their main identity. I understand that our real identity has to do with who spiritually has us. We are with Jesus in His Holy Spirit of God's own love (Romans 5:5, Romans 8:9); or we are with Satan in his "spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience." (in Ephesians 2:2)

And about our identity in Jesus > among other things, "there is neither male nor female", Paul says, in Galatians 3:28. So, if someone is very busy with their identity being connected with what organs they have on their body, this is being about physical things, and can be away from benefitting from all we can have as children of God . . . so more and better than our bodies' organs can get for us. But for certain people pleasure is a treasure, and sexual stuff can feel very nice; so ones can turn sexual parts and activities into an identity thing.

Nature makes people XY female and XX male, so the idea that it must be an imitation if you aren't XY male or XX female is wrong.
I am not sure what you mean. I mean that if a person is born with male parts, for one example, and then he seeks to be accepted as being a female, he is imitating what he is not. Because he is not a female. Plus, again, why so much emphasis on gender as being so big a deal for one's identity? ?

We can be with God Himself and identified to be in Jesus Christ's kingdom, instead of only into our own selves and what we can make ourselves . . . or try . . . or pretend to make ourselves.

And yes, "of course", ones find that we Jesus people are fantasizing and have made ourselves an "imaginary friend". So, I understand people say this about us. But God is better than I was imagining and planning . . . totally better and different. He is better than humans can imagine. How you handle this, I don't know > to experience One invisible of love and we can tell He is more than we now know and appreciate, yet we do find ourselves to be experiencing and enjoying Him :doh: :scratch: I "guess" it is like having a friend who is much more and better than we appreciate now, but we keep discovering more and better how such a good friend is. But God is not only a friend.

We aren't imitating.
By imitate I mean acting and making oneself look like what someone is not. A man who makes himself seem like a woman is not a woman, just because he wants to be one. Ladies have what men can't have, in various ways, not only physical. Each person is unique; with God, you can not change yourself to be what God knows you are not. There are things, not only sexual, which women are specialized for, which men can't be and do. It is not an identity thing, but simply how God has designed each individual. But this does not work with human self-effort; only God is able to bring us to all He has made us for.
 
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No biological human male will ever give birth.

Your account always comes on line with a thread like this opens.
Christians are entitled to be tolerated for their opinion on this issue as well.

I'm out of this discussion. Trans expect to be tolerated but rarely tolerate those opposed to their demands. That does not go unnoticed.
Christians on this forum rarely seem to tolerate people opposing them. In fact, they're so intolerant about it here that it's against the rules to say anything bad about the religion.

Think about that the next time you pick a victim to target. You get to hide behind the rules and levy any criticisms or insults you want at others.

I couldn't care less what your opinion on someone else's gender is. I also don't care which of the spice girls is your favorite or what your opinion is on global warming. Your opinion on these topics doesn't matter. Everyone knows that sporty spice was the best spice girl.
 
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Ladies have what men can't have, in various ways, not only physical
Such as?
There are things, not only sexual, which women are specialized for, which men can't be and do
NAME ONE.
It is not an identity thing, but simply how God has designed each individual.
Either he's really bad at following his own plans or you're wrong about sex. See my previous post about XX males and XY females.
 
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By imitate I mean acting and making oneself look like what someone is not. A man who makes himself seem like a woman is not a woman, just because he wants to be one. Ladies have what men can't have, in various ways, not only physical. Each person is unique; with God, you can not change yourself to be what God knows you are not. There are things, not only sexual, which women are specialized for, which men can't be and do. It is not an identity thing, but simply how God has designed each individual. But this does not work with human self-effort; only God is able to bring us to all He has made us for.

Let me bring a different perspective: God intended transwomen to be female and transmen to be male, but due to the fallen creation, they were born with the wrong body...much like how people are born with broken or missing body parts.
 
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Only when you can change XX to XY and/or vice versa will I acknowledge trans people for their acquired status.

Chromosones is a stupid way to classify someone, as it doesn't at all relate to appearance, so unless your going to force everyone to have their chromosones checked your not going to find their sex, the way your going. And lets say you find someone thats a male chromosonally but for some reason they have the appearance of a female, are you going to force them into surgery? What will you do to enforce this keeping with their chromosomes?

There are so many situations where males look female, or females look male to a small extent, or carry both genders, this nonsense idea of gender being black or white is outdated.

There are even groups of humans where 'females' become male at puberty, how should they be treated?
 
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Yeah - that bothers me a lot. I would consider a man who married an XY who is outwardly a female to be guilty of homosexuality. There are a couple of recognized/named conditions that can cause that. Not familiar with XX males.

You mean like XXY or XYY from nuclear nondisjunction? Or are you talking chimeras?

so someone is comitting a sin if they don't know the person is male? Or they are interseted in them because of their outward appearance? Man this is pretty intolerant.
 
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I bet you didn't even read the whole thing.
Indeed. I stopped right after the first three sentences. They were so loaded with faulty preconceptions and propagandistic language that I found it would be too hard for us to find common ground to work from.
 
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What a pity we have this on a Christian forum

It is a pity that transgender people, and other people who actually show them respect and compassion, feel it necessary to speak up against all of the misinformation, misconception, and even prejudice that transgender people often encounter on a Christian forum such as this one. It is also a pity that there is such a lack of respect and compassion among many Christians for people who are different from how they are or simply people they do not like and approve of. It is a shame that many Christians fail to love their neighbor, that being transgender people in this case, as they would love themselves or to treat other people, transgender people included, as they would like to be treated. So, in that respect, I agree with you. It is a pity we have this on a Christian forum. We should expect more from these Christians, such as showing the love of Christ.
 
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You also seem to forget that this agenda does open up a nasty can of worms. Seriously, slippery slopes can arise from this. This is why the question of my post is:
"Transgender "Inclusive"Language:Where does it end and begin?"

With added details on these types of future scenarios. You need to wake up and use discernment and see these things that can cause harmful consequences in the future.
What harmful consequences? How does calling someone what they want to be clled harm anyone?
 
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Christians on this forum rarely seem to tolerate people opposing them. In fact, they're so intolerant about it here that it's against the rules to say anything bad about the religion.

Think about that the next time you pick a victim to target. You get to hide behind the rules and levy any criticisms or insults you want at others.

I couldn't care less what your opinion on someone else's gender is. I also don't care which of the spice girls is your favorite or what your opinion is on global warming. Your opinion on these topics doesn't matter. Everyone knows that sporty spice was the best spice girl.

Lies! Foul lies and blasphemy! You have truly been deceived by Satan! Everyone knows Emma Bunton was the best Spice Girl!
 
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Why would a man dating a physically female person be homosexuality?
I said "married," not "dating." Marriage involves sex and that would be one XY having sex with another XY. Is that not the definition of homosexuality?
 
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