Is the theory of evolution moral and ethical

[As I was saying]

Just because something isn't proven doesn't mean it isn't a fact. As I say, come up with conflicting evidence.

Anything that is not proven is not a fact. Ask any court of law.

 

[As I was saying]

David Berlinski is a well educated atheist, and he doesn't believe that the evolution theory is credible science. He has no agenda, no religion.

And that puts the cat amongst the pigeons for atheists that is why all they can do is denigrate him with pejorative language.

 

[As I was saying]

Good for him. What about all the well educated people with no agenda who disagree with him, including Christians?

And who are these "well educated people" you talk about?

 

[ecco]

They are using this theory to discredit Genesis which also discredits the genealogy of Christ.

a flat earth has been discredited. an unmoving earth has been discredited. genesis has been discredited. exodus has been discredited and it has nothing to do with evolution.

And the walls came tumbling down.

To them we are fools regardless.

Your words.

 

[Dr GS Hurd]

And who are these "well educated people" you talk about?

Ayala, Francisco
2006 Darwin and Intelligent Design Minneapolis: Fortress Press

Ayala, Francisco
2007 Darwin’s Gift: To Science and Religion (Washington DC: Joseph Henry Press- National Academies Press)

Collins, Francis S.
2006 The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief New York Free Press- Simon and Schuster

Frye, Roland Mushat (editor)
1983 "Is God a Creationist?: The Religious Case Against Creation-Science" New York: Charles Scribner's Sons, Inc.

Giberson, Karl W.
2008 “Saving Darwin: How to be a Christian and believe in evolution” New York: HarperCollins

Godfry, Stephen J. and Christopher R. Smith
2005 "Paradigms on Pilgrimage: Creationism, Paleontology, and Biblical Interpretation." Toronto: Clements Publishing.

Haught, John F.
2001 “Responses to 101 Questions on God and Evolution” New York: Paulist Press Haught is a Catholic theologian who testified as a plaintiff expert in the Dover, Pa “Intelligent Design” trial.

Hyers, Conrad
1984 “The Meaning of Creation: Genesis and Modern Science” Atlanta: John Knox Press (Conrad Hyers has served as Professor of the History of Religion and Chair of the Department of Religion at both Beloit College and at Gustavus Adolphus College. He is also an ordained Presbyterian minister)

Kitcher, Phillip
2007 “Living With Darwin: Evolution, Design, and the Future of Life” Oxford University Press

Miller, Keith B. (editor)
2003 “Perspectives on an Evolving Creation” Grand Rapids: Eerdmans Publishing

Ken Miller
1999 "Finding Darwin's God" New York: HarperCollins

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2008 “Only a Theory” New York: Viking Press

Roberts, Michael
2008 "Evangelicals and Science" Greenwood Press

Towne, Margaret Gray
2003 "Honest to Genesis: A Biblical & Scientific Challenge to Creationism" Baltimore: PublishAmerica"

Walton, John H.
2009 “The Lost World of Genesis One: ancient cosmology and the origins” Downers Grove: InterVarsity Press

Young, Davis A.
1995 “The Biblical Flood: A case study of the Church’s Response to extrabiblical evidence” Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, Paternoster Press

Young, Davis A., Ralf F. Stearley
2008 "The Bible, Rocks and Time: Geological Evidence for the Age of the Earth" Downers Grove: InterVarsity Press


These are just the Christians.

 

[essentialsaltes]

I never said that all the books I read about evolution said it was a philosophy.

You said "What I have been reading in books about evolution it is all about philosophical arguments. There's very little science in it."

You went on to say something else that shows even more that you are reading the wrong books about evolution:

"Its primary aim is to get God out of the picture and replace him with man as in "we will not have this man to reign over us.""

 

[essentialsaltes]

Anything that is not proven is not a fact. Ask any court of law.

The common legal phrase is "the standard of proof beyond a reasonable doubt".
By that standard, the theory of evolution is proven. But that's not typically what we mean by proof. We know that both courts and scientists can make mistakes.

More importantly, these judgments about proof have to do with the conviction, not with the evidence, or the facts of the case. Facts are not 'proven', they are the evidence that theories (whether of guilt or science) are built upon. Some facts may be more certain than others, and may be attested to or contradicted by authorities, but they are not proven or disproven in the court. Nevertheless, they are facts. The facts of the fossil evidence shows that the variety and species of life on earth have changed dramatically over millions of years. It is a fact that life on earth has changed-over-time.

 

[SteveB28]

I have read this claim about 10 times in the last two weeks by atheists. And I have many books about evolution that point out the fallacies of their claims, one of which is that they claim the fossil record proves evolution.

As they say, the proof of the pudding is in the eating.

Let's try a blunt approach here:

NO SCIENTIFIC THEORY IS EVER PROVEN!

Again,

NO SCIENTIFIC THEORY IS EVER PROVEN!

There - does that make a difference at all?

The fossil record provides evidence for the theory of evolution, it does not "prove" it, because................

NO SCIENTIFIC THEORY IS EVER PROVEN!

 

[SteveB28]

If that is the case, then providing proof won't be too hard for you but I am not going to hold my breath.

You are the one making the claim. YOU say that the purpose of the theory is to deny God. So go ahead and show where the theory even mentions a god, let alone denies one! The theory of evolution makes no more of a comment of the supernatural than does any other scientific theory.

 

[SteveB28]

What is the fossil record?
The fossil record refers to the collection of physical and research evidence that paleontologists and geologists have used to prove the veracity of evolutionary theory. The physical evidence in the fossil record comes from fossilized remains of prehistoric animals.

Fossils provide a unique view into the history of life by showing the forms and features of life in the past. Fossils tell us how species have changed across long periods of the Earth’s history. For instance, in 1998, scientists found a fossil showing an animal at the transition from sea creature to land creature. This tetrapod had a hand-like fin, confirming a prediction of evolutionary biology. Though the fossil record does not include every plant and animal that ever lived, it provides substantial evidence for the common descent of life via evolution. The fossil record is a remarkable gift for the study of nature. - See more at: https://biologos.org/common-questions/scientific-evidence/fossil-record/#sthash.G4JZlaDz.dpuf

The fossil record, nonetheless, remains crucial to unfolding major and minor branching points of the great tree of life. Without fossils, inferring when genotype change occurred requires the use of the molecular clock hypothesis, which states that nucleotide or amino acid substitutions (mutations) occur at a constant rate. In other words, the amount of difference between two sequences can be used to infer when in geological time that ancestral sequence diverged occurred, thereby forming a phylogenetic branching point. Actually, the rate of mutation differs among groups of organisms, among genes, and even among different portions of the same gene. Because of this, molecular clocks used in molecular phylogenetics must be calibrated with fossils to ascertain when groups and clades of organisms appeared. To repeat, the fossil record is absolutely critical for calibration in phylogenetics.

The fossil record is one of the most common evidences given for evolution. It is named as such in the National Curriculum for Key Stage 4 Science and so features in most syllabuses and textbooks at this level and above.

Fossil record,history of life as documented by fossils, the remains or imprints of the organisms from earlier geological periods preserved in sedimentary rock. In a few cases the original substance of the hard parts of the organism is preserved, but more often the original components have been replaced by minerals deposited from water seeping through the rock. Occasionally the original material is simply removed, while nothing is deposited in its place; in this case, all that remains is a mould of the shape of the plant or animal.

The study of fossils across geological time, how they were formed, and the evolutionary relationships between taxa (phylogeny) are some of the most important functions of the science of paleontology.

These articles do.

Did you happen to notice how often the word EVIDENCE is used in those excerpts? Not "proof", EVIDENCE!

Learn the difference.

 

[bhsmte]

Let's try a blunt approach here:

NO SCIENTIFIC THEORY IS EVER PROVEN!

Again,

NO SCIENTIFIC THEORY IS EVER PROVEN!

There - does that make a difference at all?

The fossil record provides evidence for the theory of evolution, it does not "prove" it, because................

NO SCIENTIFIC THEORY IS EVER PROVEN!

Good effort, but the denial is just too strong.

 

[SteveB28]

If science cannot prove ANYTHING why do you atheists make such asinine statements that it does?

Any atheist, Buddhist, Zoroastrian, Muslim, or Jew that claims science ever "proves" anything, is making the same foolish claim that you are.

 

[SteveB28]

Anything that is not proven is not a fact. Ask any court of law.

Someone possibly needs to point out to you that science is conducted in laboratories, not courts of law!

 

[malvina]

You are quite right saying scientists never prove anything.
More and more - week after week - discoveries are being made that contradicts their claims
They need to go back to the drawing board and that is - GOD'S DRAWING BOARD

 

[Armoured]

Anything that is not proven is not a fact. Ask any court of law.

This might be part of the problem here. Scientific terminology and legal terminology are not the same.

 

[Armoured]

And who are these "well educated people" you talk about?

What, you want their names?

 

[Poster0]

And that puts the cat amongst the pigeons for atheists that is why all they can do is denigrate him with pejorative language.

Yes.

 

[Poster0]

THe scriptures teach us that light has no agreement with darkness, and there in no agreement between unbelievers and believers, we are commanded to have no fellowship with them, and to be separate. The scriptures also teach us that a time will come when people will no longer endure the truth of sound doctrine but will instead turn away from that truth and turn aside to fables or myths. Evolution is one of those fables. Look, they are denying Genesis already, and they would believe that man evolved from a primitive ape creature that was not a man but a beast instead. Surely that is a fable.

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

More and more - week after week - discoveries are being made that contradicts their claims

Such as?

 

[Poster0]

What, you want their names?

Regardless of all your argument, the truth is that Man didn't evolve from an ape beast, and this is merely a myth created by evolutionists. Sure, maybe they actually believe it, but its still a myth. You do realize that the scriptures warn that a time would come when people would turn away from truth, and instead turn aside unto myths? ITs not too late to turn back to truth.