God's LAW has not ended -- according to the Bible

[BobRyan]

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Here, I thought you were about sola scriptura, not quoting man-made confessions.

Turns out they are right on sola-scriptura testing and they are right to notice that both Ex 20:11 and Mark 2:27 place the commandments in Eden. The fact that even they can see these Bible details while others gloss over them - is not a point against the Bible detail. As we all know.

 

[BABerean2]

Not one of them says "Sinai Covenant applies to Adam and Eve before the fall"

Are you suggesting that they edit their confessions to say that??[/QUOTE]

I. God gave to Adam a law, as a covenant of works, by which He bound him and all his posterity, to personal, entire, exact, and perpetual obedience, promised life upon the fulfilling, and threatened death upon the breach of it, and endued him with power and ability to keep it.[1]

II. This law, after his fall, continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness; and, as such, was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai, in ten commandments, and written in two tables:[2] the first four commandments containing our duty towards God; and the other six, our duty to man.[3]

III. Besides this law, commonly called moral, God was pleased to give to the people of Israel, as a church under age, ceremonial laws, containing several typical ordinances, partly of worship, prefiguring Christ, His graces, actions, sufferings, and benefits;[4] and partly, holding forth divers instructions of moral duties.[5] All which ceremonial laws are now abrogated, under the New Testament.[6]

(from section 19 of the Westminster Confession of Faith)

I would suggest that they edit their confession not to say that, since they are clearly applying the Sinai covenant to Adam and Eve in section 19 of the Confession of Faith they are presently using.
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[BobRyan]

The moral law of God - defines sin and is the same in all ages -- as it remains today in the form that includes the Ten Commandments. That is not the Sinai Covenant for there is no priesthood, no animal sacrifices no feast days no nation of Israel.

it is the same moral law - but under the OT New Covenant of Jer 31:31-33 it is written in the heart and mind - adoption as sons, forgiveness of sins (none of which were needed as remedies rescue-efforts for the sinless Adam and Eve).

Adam and Eve had no Gospel - just the Law of God - just "obey and continue to live forever" but not "and forgiveness if you sin" in Gen 2.

God says to Cain in Gen 4 "sin is crouching at your door - you must master it" - the sin of course was the sin of hate and murder.

The LAW of God existed.

As even Gen 26:5 points out BEFORE Sinai "Abraham obeyed Me and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes and My Laws.”

Recall that Moses did not write the first 3 pages and hand them to Adam to read... then the next few pages and hand them to Enoch to read... then 20 more pages handing them to Abraham to read.

Rather all the pages were given to those at Sinai to read so that terms like "unclean animals" in Gen 6 and 7 are explained in Lev 11 - and the "reader" is fine with that because they had all the books of Moses.

 

[BABerean2]

The moral law of God - defines sin and is the same in all ages -- as it remains today in the form that includes the Ten Commandments. That is not the Sinai Covenant for there is no priesthood, no animal sacrifices no feast days no nation of Israel.

The Sinai Covenant is the tablets of stone, as clearly revealed in the verse below.


Heb 9:3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;

Heb 9:4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;
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[Acts24Fourteen]

The Sinai Covenant is the tablets of stone, as clearly revealed in the verse below.


Heb 9:3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;

Heb 9:4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;

You make a mistake, by your apriori belief. You are assuming that the word "covenant" [Hebrews 9:4], in the "tables of the covenant", upon which is the written Law of God, the Ten Commandments, are referring to the 'old covenant'. It does not say that.

The 'old covenant' had 'faulty promises', which were made by the peoples in Exodus 19 [Exodus 19:8 KJV - And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.], three days before God spoke aloud the Ten Commandments [his "My Covenant"] in awesome majesty and power from Heaven:

Hebrews 8:6 KJV - But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Hebrews 8:7 KJV - For if that first [covenant] had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

Hebrews 8:8 KJV - For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:​

Those "promises" made by the people in Exodus 19, is the 'old covenant', "we will do". Yet in the New Covenant, it is God that says, "I will" [Jeremiah 31:31-34; Hebrews 8:8-10; Hebrews 10:16] do in them. He is faithful, His promises sure.

In the 'old covenant' their [the peoples] promises [Exodus 19] were weak through the "flesh" [mankind], but in the New Covenant it is God [divinity] working in us to "will" [Psalms 40:8] and to "do" [1 John 3:22] of His good pleasure [Isaiah 58:13].

In the 'old covenant' the people agreed [covenanted] to do God's "my covenant" through the mediator "Moses". Their agreement-promises are the 'old covenant', where as God's "my covenant" is not their agreement-promises, but His Perfect Will for all. Two entirely different things.

God's Ten Commandments are declared "Perfect", not with "fault":

Psalm 19:7 KJV - The law of the LORD [is] perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD [is] sure, making wise the simple.

Psalm 119:44 KJV - So shall I keep thy law continually for ever and ever.

Psalm 119:45 KJV - And I will walk at liberty: for I seek thy precepts.

James 1:25 KJV - But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth [therein], he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.​

Perfect in all its [10C] "promises", on both Tables, notice on the second table, the first commandment therein and its promise:

Ephesians 6:2 KJV - Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise

Ephesians 6:3 KJV - That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.
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The peoples in their 'old covenant' agreed to obey God in all things which He told them to do. The Ten Commandments were then cut into stone by the finger of God, as His Will. Yet in their 'old covenant' they promised to "do all" in their own strength. They failed.

Same Perfect and Holy Law, the Ten Commandments, but differing promises [theirs faulty to God's immutable], differing locations [tables of stone to tables of fleshy heart], differing mediators [Moses to Jesus], differing mediation/administration [from merely letters as of being told to living active righteousness born of divine love as seen in the brilliant light life Christ Jesus], differing motives [from dreadful fear of destruction to divine love in god reverential fear].

 

[BABerean2]

You make a mistake, by your apriori belief. You are assuming that the word "covenant" [Hebrews 9:4], in the "tables of the covenant", upon which is the written Law of God, the Ten Commandments, are referring to the 'old covenant'. It does not say that.

Really...

I will have to admit this is a first.

You are splitting the Sinai Covenant up into two separate covenants. One a covenant from God written on stone tablets and a second covenant which was the promise of the Israelites to follow the words on the tablets. You are claiming there were two parties, each with their own separate covenant.

Most contracts have two or more parties. The exception would be the Gen. 3:15 promise where God told Satan that he would be defeated by the Seed of the woman. The same promise is made to Abraham that through his seed the Messiah would come, who would bless all of the nations of the earth.
The fulfillment is found in Gal. 3:16.
Therefore the Abrahamic Covenant was a covenant that could not be stopped, because God alone determined the outcome. Abraham's part was to make sure his offspring were circumcised, as a sign of the covenant. No matter what Abraham did, it could not be stopped.

You have found a unique way of holding onto the covenant of bondage that Paul said we are to cast out in Galatians chapter 4.


Heb 9:1 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.
(And what was the first covenant given at Sinai? The promise made by the people did not have a sanctuary.)

Heb 9:2 For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.

Heb 9:3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;

Heb 9:4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;

Heb 9:5 And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly.

Heb 9:6 Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.

Heb 9:7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:

Heb 9:8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:

Heb 9:9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;

Heb 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

Heb 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Heb 9:13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

Heb 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Heb 9:18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.

Heb 9:19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,

Heb 9:20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
(This is the same covenant given in the verses above that God had entered into with them. Two parties, joining into one covenant at Sinai.)

Heb 9:21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.

Heb 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

Heb 9:23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

Heb 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

Heb 9:25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;

Heb 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
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Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
(This clearly states that the New Covenant would not be like the covenant at Sinai. They did not continue in His covenant.)

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

The first covenant from Sinai would be the one written on the tablets of stone, by the finger of God.

What you are claiming does not match up to what is written in the text.

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[Acts24Fourteen]

Really...

Yes, as cited to you.

I will have to admit this is a first.

First or last, it is the Truth, even as it is written. Please consider it closer.

You are splitting the Sinai Covenant up into two separate covenants. One a covenant from God written on stone tablets and a second covenant which was the promise of the Israelites to follow the words on the tablets. You are claiming there were two parties, each with their own separate covenant.

No I am not splitting the Sinai Covenant into two at all.

The 'old covenant' made in Exodus 19, by the peoples promises to God, three days before God spoke aloud the Ten Commandments in glorious and awesome majesty, is the 'sinai' [old] covenant.

The Ten Commandments, being spoken by God from Heaven, existed before Sinai, even eternally. There are three persons [1 John 5:7-8] in eternal covenant:

Galatians 3:20 KJV - Now a mediator is not [a mediator] of one, but God is one.​

Most contracts have two or more parties.

See Galatians 3:20, and so also 1 John 5:7-8, etc.

The exception would be the Gen. 3:15 promise where God told Satan that he would be defeated by the Seed of the woman. The same promise is made to Abraham that through his seed the Messiah would come, who would bless all of the nations of the earth.
The fulfillment is found in Gal. 3:16.

Genesis 3:15 and Galatians 3:16, is part of the Eternal Covenant, between Father and Son, to uphold the Love of God, and as such the Mercy [Exodus 34:6] and Justice [Exodus 34:7] of God, who is both Just [Deuteronomy 32:4] and the Justifier [Romans 3:26].

Therefore the Abrahamic Covenant was a covenant that could not be stopped, because God alone determined the outcome. Abraham's part was to make sure his offspring were circumcised, as a sign of the covenant. No matter what Abraham did, it could not be stopped.

Abraham's part was to believe, thus have [biblical] faith in God's promises, thus acting upon His word and Commandments, entering into God's eternal "My Covenant" through faith:

Genesis 26:5 KJV - Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Genesis 18:19 KJV - For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.​

Notice that Abraham was also to keep God's "My Covenant", even as Moses/Israel were, even as we, and as such, to Abraham was given a "sign" of this "My Covenant", yet circumcision of the flesh [outwardly] as not actually the covenant itself, but only its [outward] "sign"/"token" [of that which was to be always inwardly]:

Genesis 17:9 KJV - And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.

Genesis 17:11 KJV - And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.
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Are you not also to be a child of faithful Abraham? Wherein is that evidence then? See again Genesis 26:5; Genesis 18:19, for doth Abraham in his actions, written for us as ensamples, teach us as children, to be faithful as he, in belief and living according to that same "eternal" and "everlasting" God's "my covenant"?

John 8:39 KJV - They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.​

For it is only then that we are in Christ Jesus, and as such His [Galatians 3:29].

You have found a unique way of holding onto the covenant of bondage that Paul said we are to cast out in Galatians chapter 4.

No, brother, for notice, that the 'old covenant' is the 'sinai covenant', being the faulty promises of the people in Exodus 19, given three days before God spoke the Ten Commandments aloud in awesome power and majesty.

Paul, in Galatians is speaking of those same faulty promises, which was not of faith, but of works, as Abraham and Hagar. It was faithlessness, not of faith, as of believing the promise of God to give him a child through Sarah, His wife. It was disobedience [is transgression of the Law; thus Romans 14:23; 1 John 3:4]. The second, is of faith, it is obedience in righteousness, believing the promises of God. Another allegory could be given of Joshua and Caleb [believing], and the other disbelieving spies. One led to wandering and dying in faithlessness, the others led to living and of entering in faithfulness.

Please read this, if you do not read the whole, see the Covenant Section only, please: - http://amazingfactsministries.com/index.php/publications/online-library/why-the-old-covenant-failed

Or see [please]:

 

[Acts24Fourteen]

...Heb 9:1 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.
(And what was the first covenant given at Sinai? The promise made by the people did not have a sanctuary.)

Brother, their promise was:

Exodus 19:8 KJV - And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.​

This is repeated in Exodus 24:

Exodus 24:3 KJV - And Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the LORD hath said will we do.

Exodus 24:7 KJV - And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD hath said will we do, and be obedient.

Exodus 24:8 KJV - And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled [it] on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the LORD hath made with you concerning all these words.​

They promised to do "all". Here is what God said what He would do if they obeyed His "my covenant":

Exodus 19:5 KJV - Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth [is] mine:

Exodus 19:6 KJV - And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These [are] the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.​

Thus, the agreement, a covenant struck between the peoples and God with Moses as the Mediator, based upon condition, "if". It was ratified by Blood in Exodus 24, and a Covenant Meal was eaten:

Exodus 24:8 KJV - And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled [it] on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the LORD hath made with you concerning all these words.

Exodus 24:9 KJV - Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel:

Exodus 24:10 KJV - And they saw the God of Israel: and [there was] under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in [his] clearness.

Exodus 24:11 KJV - And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.​

The Ten Commandments are not "bondage", but "liberty" and "freedom", as the Ten Commandments begin with Freedom, out of "bondage":

Exodus 20:2 KJV - I [am] the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

Deuteronomy 5:6 KJV - I [am] the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.

Deuteronomy 6:12 KJV - [Then] beware lest thou forget the LORD, which brought thee forth out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.

Deuteronomy 8:14 KJV - Then thine heart be lifted up, and thou forget the LORD thy God, which brought thee forth out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage;

Deuteronomy 13:5 KJV - And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn [you] away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.

Deuteronomy 13:10 KJV - And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
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It is the sin [1 John 3:4] that is the bondage. There are two "yokes", the one of sin/works/doubt/bondage, and the one of Christ/faith/fruit/obedience. The Ten Commandments is not the "yoke" of "bondage", but the "we will do" manner [leading into sin], rather than faith in Gods "I will" [leading into obedience].

Yes, there was an ark of the covenant, in which are the Ten Commandments, which is but the miniature model of the Heavenly, in which the Law of God even now is. The reason for the Sanctuary was to show the plan of salvation because of the transgressed Law. Where was the "book of the law" placed? In or beside? See Deuteronomy 31:26.

Notice:

Psalms 40:8 KJV - I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law [is] within my heart.

Exodus 25:16 KJV - And thou shalt put into the ark the testimony which I shall give thee.

Exodus 25:21 KJV - And thou shalt put the mercy seat above upon the ark; and in the ark thou shalt put the testimony that I shall give thee.​

Ask the Bible, in the Sanctuary [Psalms 77:13], where was the Ten Commandments placed specifically [Exodus 25:16,21]? Then look again at Psalms 40:8 again and again until you see it. God's [even Jesus'] Heart.

Then consider:

John 2:19 KJV - Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.​

 

[Acts24Fourteen]

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Heb 9:18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.

Heb 9:19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,

Heb 9:20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
(This is the same covenant given in the verses above that God had entered into with them. Two parties, joining into one covenant at Sinai.)

Heb 9:21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.

Notice, the blood, and the "book of the covenant", which was not in the ark of the Covenant.

Exodus 24:7 KJV - And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD hath said will we do, and be obedient.

Deuteronomy 29:21 KJV - And the LORD shall separate him unto evil out of all the tribes of Israel, according to all the curses of the covenant that are written in this book of the law:

Deuteronomy 31:26 KJV - Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.​

There is difference between the Ten Commandments [stone] [in the ark] and that which was in the Book [lambskin, papyrus, etc] [outside/beside the ark].

Exodus 24:3 KJV - And Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the LORD hath said will we do.

Exodus 24:4 KJV - And Moses wrote all the words of the LORD, and rose up early in the morning, and builded an altar under the hill, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel.

Exodus 24:6 KJV - And Moses took half of the blood, and put [it] in basons; and half of the blood he sprinkled on the altar.

Exodus 24:7 KJV - And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD hath said will we do, and be obedient.

Exodus 24:8 KJV - And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled [it] on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the LORD hath made with you concerning all these words.​

 

[Acts24Fourteen]

...Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
(This clearly states that the New Covenant would not be like the covenant at Sinai. They did not continue in His covenant.) ...

Indeed, since the New Covenant [as cited Jeremiah 31:31-34; Hebrews 8:8-13; Hebrews 10:16] is "I will", not as the 'old [Sinai] covenant' from Exodus 19, "we will do".

Notice the New Covenant::

Philippians 2:13 KJV - For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of [his] good pleasure.

Romans 7:12 KJV - Wherefore the law [is] holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Psalm 103:20 KJV - Bless the LORD, ye his angels, that excel in strength, that do his commandments, hearkening unto the voice of his word.

Psalm 103:21 KJV - Bless ye the LORD, all [ye] his hosts; [ye] ministers of his, that do his pleasure.
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Psalm 40:8 KJV - I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law [is] within my heart.

Jeremiah 31:33 KJV - But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Hebrews 8:10 KJV - For this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
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Therefore, do not let yourself conflate the two things. Their faulty agreement to do "we will do" and God's "I Will" in regards His Perfect Holy Law [My [His] Covenant].

 

[BABerean2]

Please read this, if you do not read the whole, see the Covenant Section only, please: -

I read did it.

The only problem is that the author left out a few details.

When discussing the allegory of Galatians chapter 4, he forgot to mention the passage in chapter 3 which says the law was added 430 years after the Abrahamic Covenant.
He also did not mention that the law was added until the Seed could come.

He gave the passage from 1 John 5:3 on keeping the commandments, but forgot to mention 1 John 3:21-24 which defines what those commandments are.


1Jn 3:21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

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1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.


Also in the article, he tells the story of seminary students who must have been from a Reformed Covenant Seminary which has mistakenly applied the Old Covenant to the New Covenant and also to Adam before the fall.
These seminaries also mistakenly promote Sunday keeping, which is not scriptural either.

This author is obviously attempting to promote his doctrine by providing only part of the text.
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[Acts24Fourteen]

I did read it.

Thank you.

The only problem is that the author left out a few details.

No. Simply focused. Read his other materials, and brother Crews addresses them there. It is a small pocket book, a sharing tool, not a thesis of systematic theology [shudders].

 

[Acts24Fourteen]

When discussing the allegory of Galatians chapter 4, he forgot to mention the passage in chapter 3
which says the law was added 430 years after the Abrahamic Covenant.
He also did not mention that the law was added until the Seed could come.

It is not forgotten, it is dealt with in other materials, pocket books, etc. Galatians 4:21-31, is specifically dealing with "the law", given before as "the book of the law" [Galatians 3:10 KJV - For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.]; Ishmael [of disbelief, works, disobedience] and Isaac [of promise, faith, obedience], the two sons, one through Hagar [Agar, bondwoman] and the other through Sarah [freewoman], in demonstration [allegory] of the two covenants, the 'old Sinai covenant' and the New [everlasting] Covenant.

The "book of the Law" which was out side of the ark, sprinkled with blood, under their faulty promises [Exodus 19 & Exodus 24] to obey all the commands of God, thus written in it by Moses:

Deuteronomy 29:21 - And the LORD shall separate him unto evil out of all the tribes of Israel, according to all the curses of the covenant that are written in this book of the law:

Deuteronomy 30:10 - If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, [and] if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.

Deuteronomy 31:26 - Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

Joshua 1:8 - This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.

Joshua 8:31 - As Moses the servant of the LORD commanded the children of Israel, as it is written in the book of the law of Moses, an altar of whole stones, over which no man hath lift up [any] iron: and they offered thereon burnt offerings unto the LORD, and sacrificed peace offerings.

Joshua 8:34 - And afterward he read all the words of the law, the blessings and cursings, according to all that is written in the book of the law.

Joshua 23:6 - Be ye therefore very courageous to keep and to do all that is written in the book of the law of Moses, that ye turn not aside therefrom [to] the right hand or [to] the left;

Joshua 24:26 - And Joshua wrote these words in the book of the law of God, and took a great stone, and set it up there under an oak, that [was] by the sanctuary of the LORD.

2 Kings 14:6 - But the children of the murderers he slew not: according unto that which is written in the book of the law of Moses, wherein the LORD commanded, saying, The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, nor the children be put to death for the fathers; but every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

2 Kings 22:8 - And Hilkiah the high priest said unto Shaphan the scribe, I have found the book of the law in the house of the LORD. And Hilkiah gave the book to Shaphan, and he read it.

2 Kings 22:11 - And it came to pass, when the king had heard the words of the book of the law, that he rent his clothes.

2 Chronicles 17:9 - And they taught in Judah, and [had] the book of the law of the LORD with them, and went about throughout all the cities of Judah, and taught the people.

2 Chronicles 34:14 - And when they brought out the money that was brought into the house of the LORD, Hilkiah the priest found a book of the law of the LORD [given] by Moses.

2 Chronicles 34:15 - And Hilkiah answered and said to Shaphan the scribe, I have found the book of the law in the house of the LORD. And Hilkiah delivered the book to Shaphan.

Nehemiah 8:1 - And all the people gathered themselves together as one man into the street that [was] before the water gate; and they spake unto Ezra the scribe to bring the book of the law of Moses, which the LORD had commanded to Israel.

Nehemiah 8:3 - And he read therein before the street that [was] before the water gate from the morning until midday, before the men and the women, and those that could understand; and the ears of all the people [were attentive] unto the book of the law.

Nehemiah 8:18 - Also day by day, from the first day unto the last day, he read in the book of the law of God. And they kept the feast seven days; and on the eighth day [was] a solemn assembly, according unto the manner.

Nehemiah 9:3 - And they stood up in their place, and read in the book of the law of the LORD their God [one] fourth part of the day; and [another] fourth part they confessed, and worshipped the LORD their God.

Deuteronomy 17:18 - And it shall be, when he sitteth upon the throne of his kingdom, that he shall write him a copy of this law in a book out of [that which is] before the priests the Levites:

Deuteronomy 28:58 - If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this glorious and fearful name, THE LORD THY GOD;

Deuteronomy 28:61 - Also every sickness, and every plague, which [is] not written in the book of this law, them will the LORD bring upon thee, until thou be destroyed.

Deuteronomy 31:24 - And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,

2 Chronicles 25:4 - But he slew not their children, but [did] as [it is] written in the law in the book of Moses, where the LORD commanded, saying, The fathers shall not die for the children, neither shall the children die for the fathers, but every man shall die for his own sin.

Nehemiah 8:8 - So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused [them] to understand the reading.​

 

[Acts24Fourteen]

...The only problem is that the author left out a few details. ...

Continued ...

Do you see that the "book of the Law" "of Moses", written by "Moses", given them by God to obey "all", placed outside of the ark as a "witness against" [Deuteronomy 31:26; Colossians 2:14 "handwriting of ordinances"; Ephesians 2:15, "the law of commandments contained in ordinances"; Hebrews 9:1, "... also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary."; Hebrews 9:10, "... meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances ..."; Ezekiel 43:18, "... These are the ordinances of the altar in the day when they shall make it, to offer burnt offerings thereon, and to sprinkle blood thereon.", Luke 1:6, "... walking in all the commandments and ordinances ..."; Numbers 9:12, "They shall leave none of it unto the morning, nor break any bone of it: according to all the ordinances of the passover they shall keep it."; 2 Chronicles 33:8, "... to do all that I have commanded them, according to the whole law and the statutes and the ordinances by the hand of Moses."] them for their promises [Exodus 19 and Exodus 24], is not the same things as the Ten Commandments written by God Himself, placed in the ark itself?

What cursings [Deuteronomy 28:61; Deuteronomy 29:21; Deuteronomy 31:26; Joshua 8:34; etc] are given on the Tables of stone, with the Ten Commandments? There are none.

The only cursings are associated with the "book of the Law" [Deuteronomy 28:61; Deuteronomy 29:21; Deuteronomy 31:26; Joshua 8:34; etc], wherein we see things associated with seasonal and yearly feasts, etc.

We also see some things which are written therein which are not on the Tables of Stone, such as, "The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, nor the children be put to death for the fathers; but every man shall be put to death for his own sin."

Where is this written in the Ten Commandments in Exodus 20:1-17? Not anywhere.

The Ten Commandments are "spiritual", written by God, on Tables of Stone, placed in the ark:

Romans 7:7 KJV - What shall we say then? [Is] the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Romans 7:14 KJV - For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.​

They are not "carnal ordinances", written in the "book of the law" by Moses, outside of the ark:

Hebrews 9:10 KJV - [Which stood] only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed [on them] until the time of reformation.​

Now let us turn to Galatians itself.

 

[Acts24Fourteen]

Now let us take a look at Galatians 3 & 4, though we should really look at Galatians 1 to begin with, but perhaps a bit later, as there is powerful material there, which demonstrates this case.

First, let us start simply, with some observations, and some of the parallels:

In Galatians 2, we read:

Galatians 2:3 KJV - But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:

Galatians 2:14 KJV - But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before [them] all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?

Galatians 2:16 KJV - Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

[Can anyone show me anywhere in the Ten Commandments where there is anything written about "circumcision", or "flesh"?]
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Continuing with Galatians 3 in brief:

 

[Acts24Fourteen]

...Continuing with Galatians 3 in brief:

In Galatians 3 we read:

Galatians 3:2 KJV - This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Galatians 3:3 KJV - Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Galatians 3:5 KJV - He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, [doeth he it] by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Galatians 3:10 KJV - For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

[Here we see that when Paul is writing about "the law", it is that which is also called "the book of the law" by simple parallelism, and that in it had "works" and "to do them", of which one thing already given was "circumcis[ion]", dealing with the "flesh" and being "made" "perfect" by it. Associated with this "the law", or "book of the law" is the "curse". Can anyone show me where there is any "curse" in the Ten Commandments?]
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Galatians 3:11 KJV - But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, [it is] evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Galatians 3:12 KJV - And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

[Notice, this, that "man" was "to do" them, as they had made in their faulty promises in Exodus 19 and Exodus 24. That was the 'old Sinai covenant' of "we will do". In the New Covenant it is God which says "I will" write, do, etc]
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Galatians 3:13 KJV - Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that hangeth on a tree:

[Again, where is the "curse" in the Ten Commandments? I know of the 7th Day the Sabbath of the LORD thy God that was blessed, hallowed and Holy, and I definitely know that the 5th Commandment [though they are all eternal promises, more on this later if needed] had one of "promise" [Ephesians 6:2-3] of God, but no cursings are found in Exodus 20:1-17. Additionally, if the Ten Commandments have this "curse" associated with them, why would anyone in the New Testament bring them back, along with all manner of other things [see Acts 15, etc], which are straight from the Levitical pages?]
​

Galatians 3:17 KJV - And this I say, [that] the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

[We see that this "the law", or "book of the law" and that which was therein, with things like "circumcision", etc, and its associated "curse", was indeed not written until the time of Moses, and by his own hand. Yet, we see that God's Ten Commandments existed long before this time period [though not yet on two stone tables], demonstrable upon request, from Genesis to Exodus.]
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Galatians 3:18 KJV - For if the inheritance [be] of the law, [it is] no more of promise: but God gave [it] to Abraham by promise.

Galatians 3:19 KJV - Wherefore then [serveth] the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; [and it was] ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

[Please take notice, that this "the law", or "book of the law" and its "curse", etc., was "added" to something already in existence. What was it? One does not say something is "added" to nothing. It cannot be "added" to the "promise", for it is not of "promise". We see that it was "added" because of "transgressions". What according to the Bible is a "transgression"? In various Bible passages [in a time long before Moses, Job 8:4; Job 13:23; Job 14:17; Job 33:9, and others as Psalms 19:13; Psalms 32:1, for a perfect parallelism, also Amos 5:12; and all the way back at the beginning with Adam, Romans 5:14; 1 Timothy 2:14; and finally the classic definition, 1 John 3:4], we always see that they are "sin". Notice that "transgressions" are a heavy "yoke" [Lamentations 1:14]]

[That mediator was Moses, and it was his "hand" that wrote that which was to be put in "the Book of the law", which remained outside of the Ark. It was this that which was "given", by Moses; 2 Chronicles 34:14 - And when they brought out the money that was brought into the house of the LORD, Hilkiah the priest found a book of the law of the LORD [given] by Moses.]

[As it is written, "... where no law is, there is no transgression." [Romans 4:15] and since there was "transgressions" there is then a Law already in place long before Moses and that which was handwritten and was "added", which identifies the proper behaviour for all mankind, ie right/wrong, even from the beginning, even long before this world was made, John 8:44; 2 Peter 2:4; Ezekiel 28:15, etc.]
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Galatians 3:21 KJV - [Is] the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

Galatians 3:23 KJV - But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

Galatians 3:24 KJV - Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster [to bring us] unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
​

Let's Pause here a moment and think about what we have already discovered.

 

[BABerean2]

Let's Pause here a moment and think about what we have already discovered.

What we should have discovered it that the 10 commandments were written by the finger of God on tablets of stone.

Those commandments were explained by Moses in ordinances written by Moses in a book.

"Thou shalt not steal." was written on a stone tablet.
Within the ordinances were instructions on what to do if your animal goes over to your neighbor's property and steals his grass, by eating it.

Also within the book were specific instructions on how to keep the Sabbath.

Therefore, the tablets of stone and the book were not exactly the same thing.

However, one cannot honestly claim that the book of the law does not deal with the 10 commandments.

.

 

[Meowzltov]

Bob, just curious... If the Law of God has not ended, do you keep kosher?

 

[Acts24Fourteen]

...

Perhaps you can tell me of the following:

Galatians 4:21 KJV - Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?

Galatians 4:22 KJV - For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
​

Where in "the law" was this "written" that it may be "hear[d]? Was it with the Ten Commandments, by God's own finger?

Or did those events take place long before Moses, and later written down by his hand?

There was indeed an 'old sinai covenant' given 430 years after Abraham and the Promise of God, and it is seen in Exodus 19 and ratified in blood in Exodus 24, in the covenant agreement that the peoples made with God, through Moses:

Exodus 19:8 KJV - And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.

Hebrews 8:8 KJV - For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:​

They agreed to the terms with God. They were oath bound by blood in the agreement/covenant. They were under blessings for keeping their promises in it, under cursings for breaking their promises in that agreement/covenant.

The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day. Deuteronomy 5:3​

"this covenant" between Israel [the peoples] and God [which is the old covenant] is not the "my covenant" of God.

Notice Exodus 19:5, carefully please:

Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: Exodus 19:5​

The "my covenant" of God is terms of the agreement that Israel [the peoples] agreed to obey in their [old] 'covenant' with God.

Israel [the peoples], agreed by their promises in covenant with God [which is the 'old covenant'], to keep God's 'my covenant' [a separate covenant which is always called God's 'my covenant']

"I agree that God commanded Israel to "perform" the Ten Commandments, based upon their covenant that Israel had already made with God in Exodus 19, with Moses being the mediator between God and Israel, please see Exodus 19:3-8, etc

Moses goes up as Mediator to speak upon the behalf of Israel to God:

"And Moses went up unto God, ..." Exodus 19:3

God then speaks unto Moses and declares unto Moses what Moses shall say unto them, he [Moses] being the Mediator, the go between for the making of a Covenant:

"... and the LORD called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel;" Exodus 19:3

God gives evidence of His power to be able to perform His side of the covenant He is about to make with Israel, which was not made with any of their fathers beforehand [Hebrews 8:9]:

"Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and [how] I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself." Exodus 19:4

God then speaks what Israel is to do in their side of the covenant agreement:

"Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth [is] mine:" Exodus 19:5

"And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These [are] the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel." Exodus 19:6

What words? The words given in Exodus 19:4-6.

God said [basically], If they obey the voice of the LORD, then He will fulfill His promises to them and make them a "peculiar [purchased] people" unto Himself.

Moses, as Mediator between God and Israel, then takes those words unto the Leaders , the Elders, of Israel, the ones with the power of the covenant making:

"And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the LORD commanded him." Exodus 19:7

Then the people all answer together, in their half of the covenant agreement,

"And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. ..." Exodus 19:8

Therefore, God said, "If...then..."

The peoples Israel said, "All that the LORD hath spoken [past tense] we will do."

Notice, that they said that they would keep their half of the covenant, and without any assistance from God. They said, "We will do." But did they? Obviously not, and not even for very long... golden calf incident.

However, Moses, again as Mediator, takes the "promise" of the people Israel, to fulfill their side of the covenant agreement, back unto God.

"... And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD. " Exodus 19:8

That is the "Old Covenant". Based upon the faulty promises [Hebrews 8:8, "finding fault with them"] of the people Israel. God's promises never fail.

All of that was even 3 days [Exodus 19:9-17] before the awesome events upon Mt. Sinai in God speaking and writing His Ten Commandments.

"And the LORD said unto Moses, Lo, I come unto thee in a thick cloud, that the people may hear when I speak with thee, and believe thee for ever. And Moses told the words of the people unto the LORD." Exodus 19:9

Did God need Moses to Mediate between God and man when God spoke the Ten Commandments aloud with His own voice, from Heaven to all the peoples Israel? or was Moses already at the base of the mountain with the peoples, which when hearing the voice of God for themselves [Exodus 20:22] feared for their very existences [Exodus 20:18-19]...?

God said, that He would write "My Laws", the very same Ten Commandments into the heart. Old Covenant was made with faulty proimses by the peoples Israel, New Covenant is made with/upon God's never failing promises.

What are these "My Laws"? Scripture declares them... even in the same Book of Jeremiah and elsewhere.

Thus we see two different things called 'covenants'.

[1] God's 'my covenant' – faith

[2] the agreement of Israel [the peoples] "all that the Lord hath said we will do" to God's "if...then..." – works​

The 'old covenant' agreement that Israel entered into was this, "Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth [is] mine:"

God found fault with "them" [Hebrews 8:8] their "promises", and so He had better Promises than theirs...

The "My Covenant" and "His Covenant" of God is not the 'old covenant' that they entered into ["And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do." Exodus 19:8], but that which they were to keep in their covenant agreement with God. The other "My Covenant" of God existed far prior to Israel, which they had forgotten, which had already been given to Adam, To Noah, To Abraham, and also given to Moses, etc.

Scripture says, that God's "My Covenant" [the very Everlasting Gospel Covenant, wherein He would write His "My Law" within our hearts, for He says, "I will"...] it is eternal.

Psalms 89:4 KJV - My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.

Exodus 20:1 KJV - And God spake all these words, saying,
​

Nowhere in scripture will anyone find that God's 'my covenant' ever referred to as the old sinai covenant, and never will anyone find in scripture that the old covenant = the Ten Commandments or 'my covenant' of God.

Please, if you will, research the words 'My covenant' or 'His Covenant' in scripture.

God never made the 'old sinai covenant' [Exodus 19 and Exodus 24] with anyone else before Israel [the peoples].

 

[Acts24Fourteen]

[1] Romans 3:20 says: "Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin."

What law is it referring to?

How do we have knowledge of sin?

How can this law, if it refers to the Ten Commandments "vanish away", and yet still be present so that 'through the Law' 'we become conscious of our sin', or as the KJB says, "by the law is the knowledge of sin"? In fact, did we as sinners ever come to know our need of the Saviour? Holy Spirit? Yes, but He convicts of "sin" [1 John 3:4], "righteousness" [Psalms 119:172] and "judgment" [Isaiah 42:2; Psalms 111:7; Psalms 119:66].

[2] Romans 3:31 says: "Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law."

What "law" is Paul referring to?

Is this law made "void" through faith or is this law "established" through faith?

What do the words "void" and "established" mean?

Let us look at the words "void" and "establish", and then go back to the equative and substitute again in this sentence and see if it still works...

Void - καταργουμεν - [cited from BLB]
"1) to render idle, unemployed, inactivate, inoperative
a) to cause a person or thing to have no further efficiency
b) to deprive of force, influence, power
2) uto cause to cease, put an end to, do away with, annul, abolish
a) to cease, to pass away, be done away
b) to be severed from, separated from, discharged from, loosed from any one
c) to terminate all intercourse with one"

Establish - ιστωμεν - [cited from BLB]
"1) to cause or make to stand, to place, put, set
a) to bid to stand by, [set up]
1) in the presence of others, in the midst, before judges, before members of the Sanhedrin;
2) to place
b) to make firm, fix establish
1) to cause a person or a thing to keep his or its place
2) to stand, be kept intact (of family, a kingdom), to escape in safety
3) to establish a thing, cause it to stand
a) to uphold or sustain the authority or force of anything
c) to set or place in a balance
1) to weigh: money to one (because in very early times before the introduction of coinage, the metals used to be weighed)
2) to stand
a) to stand by or near
1) to stop, stand still, to stand immovable, stand firm
a) of the foundation of a building
b) to stand
1) continue safe and sound, stand unharmed, to stand ready or prepared
2) to be of a steadfast mind
3) of quality, one who does not hesitate, does not waiver"

How long after the Cross did Paul write those words?

Using an equative method, let's replace the supposed equative term, "The Ten Commandments, The Law" with the "Old Covenant" [as you say] and see what happens...

Do we then make void the [law; The Ten Commandments, the Old Covenant] through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the [law; The Ten Commandments; The Old Covenant]. Romans 3:31​

Doing so [and substituting as you would have us believe], breaks the text. But scripture cannot be broken [John 10:35].

If the "law" spoken of by Paul is "established" through "faith", and not made "void", how then can anyone say that it is "vanished" away?

How long after the cross, roughly, was the statement made by Paul?

If we substitute the words "law" in both instances with the terms "old covenant" as such "Do we then make void the [old covenant] through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the [old covenant].", does the passage make any more sense, or is it now made void itself?

The Tables of Stone were "cut", based upon Israel's agreement ['covenant'] to obey all that the Lord had said, which is the [old] covenant that they entered into with God about His "my covenant". The Law, the Ten Commandments is the same in both, but the two covenants are different in their relationship to God!

The 'first/old' covenant is one of "works"! All that the Lord hath said "we will do".

The "new/abrahamic" is one of "Faith", the Lord said, "I will...", but the Law is the same!

This is what Paul refers to in Galatians, speaking of Hagar/Sinai and Sarah/Jerusalem above! The works covenant, or 'first/old' covenant entered into by Israel [the peoples], failed, because they failed in their upkeep of their promises, but yet God said that His promises were better, in that He would write that Law in the heart, that men would obey out of Love.

How did God do this?

Christ Jesus, by His condescension, as God the Son coming to be born as a man, in the Life and Cross, Death and Resurrection of Jesus.

So, instead of Stone Tables now "cut", it is the heart that is "cut", even circumcised, because while we were yet sinners [lawbreakers; 1 John 3:4] Christ died for us, God loves us first.

There is a another agreement/covenant, beyond the covenant already in existence which was already of faith, but this other agreement is called the “old” sinai covenant, and this was formed between God and Israel [the peoples] at Mt. Sinai, even in Exodus 19, and this was later, Exodus 24, ratified by the blood of a sacrifice.

The 'second' or "new" covenant was ratified by the blood of Christ, but is the Abrahamic Covenant. The the blood by which it was sealed was shed after the blood of the 'old/first' covenant of Exodus 19,24. This "new" covenant was already valid in the days of Abraham, since it was confirmed by promise and oath of God, as it is written, that by “two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie.” Hebrews 6:18.

Since this is so, why was another covenant entered into by Israel, since one already existed before the 'old covenant'?

Israel had lost sight of it, living amongst idolatry and corruption, even as they had to a great extent lost the knowledge of God, along with the the principles of the Abrahamic covenant and of the Laws of God, like the 7th Day Sabbath of the Lord, since the new Pharoahs, since Josephs time, continually enacted work laws, increased burdens, and harshness, see Exodus 5 and so forth.

They no longer knew God as Abraham had, neither had they recognized their sinfulness in their transgressions of His holy Law, and God sought to restore this to them, and brought them into situations that they might recognize their utter helplessness, their need of God's help and strength and salvation from sin.

So, God brought about their mighty deliverance, and yet still they did not understand the holiness of God, nor His requirements/commandments, and thus led them slowly back into them, even as the 7th Day Sabbath was again made known to them, even as it had been known to Abraham.

"The same law that was engraved upon the tables of stone is written by the Holy Spirit upon the tables of the heart. Instead of going about to establish our own righteousness we accept the righteousness of Christ. His blood atones for our sins. His obedience is accepted for us. Then the heart renewed by the Holy Spirit will bring forth “the fruits of the Spirit.” Through the grace of Christ we shall live in obedience to the law of God written upon our hearts."

Let's look at some more of Galatians.