Why doesn't God heal amputees?

[Messy]

Then why don't amputees get healed? What about the amputee Christians who get baptized in the Holy Spirit? Why doesn't He do it for them?

He doesn't do it for you if you're a christian. You must step out yourself and lay hands on yourself and build your faith.
Peter had small faith. He sank. Later he raised the dead and people healed in his shadow.

 

[Poster0]

Well I got preferential treatment when I was an atheist and as a baby christian, but if you grow up you don't. Those eagle moms they throw their kids out of the nest. Well yeah you're right, it is special treatment.
You need to learn to step out in faith and take His promises. It took me a year of proclaiming Bible texts when I was a christian before my shoulder finally got healed. I couldn't do my work anymore ever they said.
Yet an atheist collegue with the same problem said: oh sure you guys can pray for me. If it doesn't work it doesn't hurt either. Church prayed and commanded healing in Jesus' Name while he was just at home. Next day, he was at home for 6 weeks, RSI, couldn't work, LOL he comes to the office. Everyone: Hey Arco! What are you doing here? The guy was healed and he forgot that I even asked him if we could pray for him I think.

Yes, all those poor amputees just don't have your maturity.

 

[GrimKingGrim]

It took me a year of proclaiming Bible texts when I was a christian before my shoulder finally got healed.

I'm pretty sure the body was working overtime to heal itself. Give biology some credit.

 

[GrimKingGrim]

He doesn't do it for you if you're a christian. You must step out yourself and lay hands on yourself and build your faith.
Peter had small faith. He sank. Later he raised the dead and people healed in his shadow.

This sounds like a sinkhole.

 

[Messy]

Yes, all those poor amputees just don't have your maturity.

My maturity? I never healed an amputee in Jesus' Name. I want to. I'm buuilding my faith until one day I dare to step out. It would be easier to ask a fellow believer who misses a leg and has the same beliefs and doesn't get offended and doesn't blame you if it doesn't happen and just keep on praying and proclaiming Bible texts until it does.
The whole church is not mature. Creation is waiting for the mature sons (not babies) of God to stand up and do the works Jesus did.
If Jesus' body on earth was sick and didn't function for 90 percent how many people would He have healed?
That is the problem now. God wants to heal everyone, but His body which is the church only functions for so much percent.

 

[asherahSamaria]

My maturity? I never healed an amputee in Jesus' Name. I want to. I'm buuilding my faith until one day I dare to step out. It would be easier to ask a fellow believer who misses a leg and has the same beliefs and doesn't get offended and doesn't blame you if it doesn't happen and just keep on praying and proclaiming Bible texts until it does.
The whole church is not mature. Creation is waiting for the mature sons (not babies) of God to stand up and do the works Jesus did.
If Jesus' body on earth was sick and didn't function for 90 percent how many people would He have healed?
That is the problem now. God wants to heal everyone, but His body which is the church only functions for so much percent.

"God wants to heal everyone" - so why doesn't he? Either he is all powerful or he isn't. It's no use hiding behind "church functions".

 

[timewerx]

Simple question, probably a very complicated answer.

I hear about God healing people all the time on these forums.

Why does he not heal amputees?

If God healed amputees like common colds or fever, then people would be flocking to believe in God......

.....But they will believe God for the wrong reasons which is mostly through selfish gains, thus, their belief will be FAKE and hypocritical!

 

[Dave-W]

For atheists it's first see, then believe. That's how I got saved. I just asked for signs.

Understood. But you ASKED.

Since my offer to pray for these people has been turned down, it looks to me like they do not WANT a sign.

 

[Eudaimonist]

Understood. But you ASKED.

Since my offer to pray for these people has been turned down, it looks to me like they do not WANT a sign.

I'd think that an omniscient and omnipotent God doesn't need your prayers to act.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Eudaimonist]

If God healed amputees like common colds or fever, then people would be flocking to believe in God......

.....But they will believe God for the wrong reasons which is mostly through selfish gains, thus, their belief will be FAKE and hypocritical!

Then why would God heal anyone of anything? Or grant any prayers at all?


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Dave-W]

I'd think that an omniscient and omnipotent God doesn't need your prayers to act.

NEED? of course not. But He is relational and WANTS our prayers.

You are dealing with a personality here - not an impersonal law of nature.

 

[asherahSamaria]

I'd think that an omniscient and omnipotent God doesn't need your prayers to act.


eudaimonia,

Mark

But apparently he needs money - and lots of it.....

 

[Messy]

"God wants to heal everyone" - so why doesn't he? Either he is all powerful or he isn't. It's no use hiding behind "church functions".

He can do nothing on earth except when His people pray.
If He could do it Himself, why send Jesus and let Him disciple people to do His work if He can just do that out of heaven?
Adam and Eve were human. They got the authority over the earth. Adam, a man, gave it to satan. A man had to take it back. Jesus went to heaven and gave the church His authority and power and the Holy Spirit to do His works. As signs these things will follow the believers: they shall lay hands on the sick and they shall recover.

 

[timewerx]

Then why would God heal anyone of anything? Or grant any prayers at all?

The question is, if God is even directly responsible for such healings or was it a change in diet??

Or how about the new job or job promotion? Was it really God or you simply did a great job or your qualifications?

Miracles also happen to non-believers, atheists, agnostics, etc, etc.


Don't get me wrong, I believe in God, I do. Just the concept of getting "undeserved" favors in life means you are nicer than those who don't.... I don't believe in such thing. In most cases, you simply did so well, incredibly talented that you don't acknowledge, or had incredible luck or simply had better luck in life.

Why Christians seem smarter? Christianity in most respects is like a self-help session. And it helps... But you can also get to the same point and beyond without getting religious if you try to ignore your own feelings in order to do what is right.

 

[Eudaimonist]

NEED? of course not. But He is relational and WANTS our prayers.

You are dealing with a personality here - not an impersonal law of nature.

I understand that, but your prayers are irrelevant to God's decision to act or not. It would be irrational for anyone to ask for your prayers, as if this is somehow a requirement for God's actions. If God decides to act, he will do so.

He would also understand if a non-believer doesn't believe in the necessity of prayers.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Messy]

I understand that, but your prayers are irrelevant to God's decision to act or not. It would be irrational for anyone to ask for your prayers, as if this is somehow a requirement for God's actions. If God decides to act, he will do so.

He would also understand if a non-believer doesn't believe in the necessity of prayers.


eudaimonia,

Mark

Where in the Bible is that?

 

[Eudaimonist]

The question is, if God is even directly responsible for such healings or was it a change in diet??

That isn't the question. The question is: if God restoring lost limbs would encourage selfishness, wouldn't any granted prayers encourage selfishness?

Why Christians seem smarter?

They don't. They seems like anyone else in intelligence on average.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Eudaimonist]

Where in the Bible is that?

The Bible describes God as acting on his own plans. God doesn't need our requests or permission to act. Did God require prayers to send the Flood? Or Jesus?


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[asherahSamaria]

He can do nothing on earth except when His people pray.
If He could do it Himself, why send Jesus and let Him disciple people to do His work if He can just do that out of heaven?
Adam and Eve were human. They got the authority over the earth. Adam, a man, gave it to satan. A man had to take it back. Jesus went to heaven and gave the church His authority and power and the Holy Spirit to do His works. As signs these things will follow the believers: they shall lay hands on the sick and they shall recover.

Ahh - so you believe that Yawh is not all powerful - interesting take.

 

[Messy]

The Bible describes God as acting on his own plans. God doesn't need our requests or permission to act. Did God require prayers to send the Flood? Or Jesus?


eudaimonia,

Mark

Well He did need people who believed it to cooperate with, to send Jesus.
To destroy everything when it gets too bad He doesn't need permission. See it as a house owner who rents the house. The people living in the house who rented it have the authority. They have to invite him to do something since he has no authority there. Only if it becomes really extreme and they invite the maffia and use the house for illegal activities he can throw them out or burn the house down.

http://www.truth-truth.com/?page_id=904
God has given authority over the earth to mankind. Despite man stuffing things up, God keeps his word, so he will not act on earth without getting permission from a human with legitimate authority on earth. This is an important principle.
God will not act on earth unless a human gives him permission to act.
Jesus Christ has defeated the enemy and given God’s people authority on earth. When we pray we are not asking him to change his mind, we are giving him the authority that he needs to take action on earth.
To give God permission to act, we need to know what he wants to do earth. The first part of prayer is listening to his voice and finding out his will.
Once we know what he wants to do, we can give him permission to do it.