The origins of atheism

[Davian]

You stopped short of: "#2 occurring or existing only if... (You only get the proof of God "if").

#2 says (contingent on/upon) occurring or existing only if (certain other circumstances) are the case; dependent on: resolution of the conflict was contingent on the signing of a ceasefire agreement.

Nothing about gods. There is no #3.

 

[ScottA]

I'll choose fact over faith every time, and twice on Sunday.

Of course. You make that obvious.

But the hypothetical is about the fact that it is possible that you not know the facts until it is too late. In that case, even without faith...you might consider it a good "gamble" to bank on, since the proposition is about your life.

Or not. But, hey, you can't win unless you play, and you can't loose anything you are not going to loose anyway. Right?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Yea, exactly.

Wonderful. Then regarding how the universe came to exist, I believe there is a truth to be known...we just don't know it yet.

 

[HitchSlap]

Of course. You make that obvious.

But the hypothetical is about the fact that it is possible that you not know the facts until it is too late. In that case, even without faith...you might consider it a good "gamble" to bank on, since the proposition is about your life.

Or not. But, hey, you can't win unless you play, and you can't loose anything you are not going to loose anyway. Right?

This is where you are wrong, as facts are demonstrable. But hey, you keep throwing around your religious notions as if they're facts, and keep being confused as to why no one is willing to drink the same flavor of Kool-Aid as you. Right?

 

[ScottA]

Companies don't have a memory. People do.

In your case, you have nothing legal, only opinion.

Where did the hate comment come from? I am simply not convinced of your religious claims.

The analogy looks more like you are the guy standing in the lobby of the Chevrolet management offices, yelling at the receptionists that GM HQ is imaginary, and that management is to accept that they are accountable to some other undefined company that, when pressed, you are unable to demonstrate to exist.

"Fishbowl!" you say back at them.

They have you escorted off of the premises.

1. People. Exactly. That is the subject of the analogy.
2. It's not my case. But you are incorrect, it was the law for hundreds of years.
3. No hate, just creativity (like my Father).
4. Of course it looks backwards from your perspective...you are the recipient. Still, the tail ought not wag the dog.
5. How many analogies is it going to take...do I have to draw a picture? Oh, that's right, I already did. Interesting point: Did you know that God said He would only speak to humanity in parables (analogies)?
6. He's calling security.

 

[ScottA]

#2 says (contingent on/upon) occurring or existing only if (certain other circumstances) are the case; dependent on: resolution of the conflict was contingent on the signing of a ceasefire agreement.

Nothing about gods. There is no #3.

 

[ScottA]

This is where you are wrong, as facts are demonstrable.

And they ARE demonstrated. But: "Seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand." Matthew 13:13

 

[Ana the Ist]

There is no limit to contingent requirements, except those that are imposed. In this unique case, the requirement is that you believe.

But, putting myself in your shoes...I don't know you well enough to put my faith in you. But, let me put it this way: Is there anything you would lay down your life for, or stake your life on? How about your own life? ...Because that is exactly the requirement. It's a leap of faith. But you do not do it for me or anyone else...you do it for you.

To answer your questions...sure, my wife.

As for "contingent requirements"....there's only one when it comes to the passing of knowledge from one person to the next, they must speak the same language.

We both speak english Scott, so there aren't many reasons to think you can't share this knowledge god has given you. One would be that the knowledge doesn't exist. Another would be that it's all personal opinions and beliefs with no real factual information.

 

[AV1611VET]

You are destine to be escorted out of the building for not acknowledging the Head Office. That is the message we all have been trying to convey.

Matthew 22:13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

[HitchSlap]

And they ARE demonstrated. But: "Seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand." Matthew 13:13

Are you using the bible to prove the bible is right? For shame.

 

[AV1611VET]

Are you using the bible to prove the bible is right? For shame.

What's wrong with that?

 

[HitchSlap]

What's wrong with that?

It's a bad way to verify reality. Start with a faulty premise, end with a ...

 

[AV1611VET]

It's a bad way to verify reality. Start with a faulty premise, end with a ...

It verifies a lot more reality than you're willing to admit to.

2 Kings 6:17 And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha

 

[Davian]

1. People. Exactly. That is the subject of the analogy.
2. It's not my case. But you are incorrect, it was the law for hundreds of years.

Yet you don't have anything legal. Are you going to make another fallacious appeal to antiquity?

3. No hate, just creativity (like my Father).
4. Of course it looks backwards from your perspective...you are the recipient. Still, the tail ought not wag the dog.

That analogy is far more accurate than yours. You are the one making the claims, and being disbelieved when you are unable to substantiate them.

5. How many analogies is it going to take...do I have to draw a picture? Oh, that's right, I already did. Interesting point: Did you know that God said He would only speak to humanity in parables (analogies)?

Did you read that in a book?

6. He's calling security.

Scare tactic fail.

 

[Davian]

<vague something-or-other>

Your point?

 

[Davian]

And they ARE demonstrated. But: "Seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand." Matthew 13:13

But the fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright Brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown. - Carl Sagan

 

[Davian]

It verifies a lot more reality than you're willing to admit to.

Does it say that water is wet?

2 Kings 6:17 And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha

Why the random Bible quotes?

 

[HitchSlap]

Does it say that water is wet?

Why the random Bible quotes?

 

[Chriliman]

Wonderful. Then regarding how the universe came to exist, I believe there is a truth to be known...we just don't know it yet.

Correct, you don't know. Does your knowledge have any affect on my knowledge?

 

[David Colin Gould]

I wonder if the below ever happens?

"You mean ... something bad is going to happen to me if I do not believe in (your version of) the Christian God?

Oh, no!

You've convinced me."