The origins of atheism

[Chriliman]

Well so much for my recommendation of getting a scientists point of view on the topic

Scientists are limited to the finite realm of the universe. Truth is not finite. Therefore, I only rely on science to tell me true things about the universe, not to tell me the truth about universe.

 

[AV1611VET]

I'll be honest AV, I don't know what that means. How does one "speak" something into existence? Lacking an answer to that...what does it mean to speak something into existence?

The question was how God did it.

The answer is He spoke it into existence.

A more-complete technical term is: creatio ex nihilo.

That's the best I can do for you.

At least you have something to go on.

 

[Hikarifuru]

Scientists are limited to the finite realm of the universe. Truth is not finite. Therefore, I only rely on science to tell me true things about the universe, not to tell me the truth about universe.

right..... ok have fun out there

 

[HitchSlap]

Scientists are limited to the finite realm of the universe. Truth is not finite. Therefore, I only rely on science to tell me true things about the universe, not to tell me the truth about universe.

Yes, we got it. Accept the things you like, jettison those things you don't. Makes perfect sense.

 

[HitchSlap]

The question was how God did it.

The answer is He spoke it into existence.

A more-complete technical term is: creatio ex nihilo.

That's the best I can do for you.

At least you have something to go on.

Don't you mean "spake"?

 

[AV1611VET]

Don't you mean "spake"?

Yes.

But I didn't want to get too technical.

 

[Chriliman]

Yes, we got it. Accept the things you like, jettison those things you don't. Makes perfect sense.

You're getting it! Accept truth and reject lies.

 

[ScottA]

Your point?

God is a character in a book in reality. We can agree on that.

God is not a character in a book in "reality", but rather in what you assume to be reality. What you assume to be reality (this world), is like a dream, a "created" neurological experience...an illusion, so convincing only theologians and honest scientists will tell you about it.

 

[ScottA]

So you claim.

Why does it bother you so much that I have knowledge to share?

 

[HitchSlap]

Why does it bother you so much that I have knowledge to share?

Yeah, you keep saying that...

 

[Davian]

God is not a character in a book in "reality", but rather in what you assume to be reality. What you assume to be reality (this world), is like a dream, a "created" neurological experience...an illusion, so convincing only theologians and honest scientists will tell you about it.

That's quite the whale of a fish story you have going there. Do you have anything other than condescension and veiled insults to back it up?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Lets think reasonably here. If I were God and I created the universe then I could explain exactly how I did it to you. Problem is I'm not God and I didn't create the universe so I can't explain how it was created.

I do believe at some point God may explain to me how and why He has created the universe. This most likely will only happen when I'm with Him in heaven.

So basically, you think there's an answer to how god created the universe...and you think it's possible to know...you just don't know it right now. Is that about right?

 

[Davian]

Why does it bother you so much that I have knowledge to share?

Your religious claims are of no bother to me. If you are going continue to hang them up for inspection, I will continue to comment.

 

[HitchSlap]

You're getting it! Accept truth and reject lies.

Now it's time you "get it."

 

[Ana the Ist]

Why does it bother you so much that I have knowledge to share?

I've asked you several times to share this supposed "knowledge"...but you keep telling me that I have to believe in what you believe in to be able to receive this "knowledge".

We both know that knowledge doesn't work that way though. If something is true, it's true whether anyone believes it or not. If something can be known, then it can be known regardless of personal beliefs or lack of them.

 

[ScottA]

That's quite the whale of a fish story you have going there. Do you have anything other than condescension and veiled insults to back it up?

Let me give you a hypothetical:

If it came to the attention of GM that Chevrolet was acting like they were the actual parent company and that GM was just a figment of certain stockholders imagination...how would you advise them to deal with it, to set them straight?

 

[HitchSlap]

Let me give you a hypothetical:

If it came to the attention of GM that Chevrolet was acting like they were the actual parent company and that GM was just a figment of certain stockholders imagination...how would you advise them to deal with it, to set them straight?

To call their legal department.

 

[Colter]

Let me give you a hypothetical:

If it came to the attention of GM that Chevrolet was acting like they were the actual parent company and that GM was just a figment of certain stockholders imagination...how would you advise them to deal with it, to set them straight?

These rudderless ships remind me of the parable of the prodigal son.

 

[HitchSlap]

These rudderless ships remind me of the parable of the prodigal son.

Maybe we should read more fiction? I'm currently reading Libra by Don DeLillo, does that count? Maybe then I could have some insights that only I can understand but can't demonstrate to anyone else, yet remain arrogant in my position?

 

[ScottA]

I've asked you several times to share this supposed "knowledge"...but you keep telling me that I have to believe in what you believe in to be able to receive this "knowledge".

We both know that knowledge doesn't work that way though. If something is true, it's true whether anyone believes it or not. If something can be known, then it can be known regardless of personal beliefs or lack of them.

Ana, I have given you a ton of information, and I have explained that proof is contingent on certain requirements. That is just the way it is. Many things have contingency requirements. In this case, it is that way by design...to limit the access to those who are willing to lay down their life to know (to loose their life, in order to gain it). This is a serious matter. It is the very reason that this entire universe was created.

But you are correct, it is true regardless of whether you believe it or not, or meet the requirements.

In this case, this information, cannot be known regardless of personal beliefs, until the opportunity to benefit from the information expires (at death).