Deadly Head Wound...

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Here is brother Chuck Missler's take on this.

 

[ebedmelech]

Chuck Missler is like Hal Lindsay when it comes to eschatology. They have the bible in one hand and the newspaper in the other...not realizing they've miss the mark totally.

I'll pass on the video.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Chuck Missler is like Hal Lindsay when it comes to eschatology. They have the bible in one hand and the newspaper in the other...not realizing they've miss the mark totally.

I'll pass on the video.

Oh,, just watch it .It is just 10 minutes. Even if you disagree with it.

 

[BABerean2]

Oh,, just watch it .It is just 10 minutes. Even if you disagree with it.

I have seen it in the past.

Chuck Missler is one of the reasons I became a Christian.
I appreciate many of his messages from years ago.
At one time I received his newletter from Koinia (sp.?) House.

At one point in time he seem more accepting of a variety of endtime views.

In recent years he has become dogmatic about the pretrib doctrine and has run off the road when it comes to eschatology.
I would not trust his viewpoint on endtime events, because he is a Darbyite.
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[Ronald]

Ronald, how does any muslim fit these verses in Isaiah 14, speaking about the Antichrist....

Isa 14:19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

Isa 14:20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

The person has to be a Jew for those verses to mean anything. He cannot be a muslim.

Maybe you should read the whole context of the chapter?
"How art thou fallen from heaven, O day-star, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, that didst lay low the nations!

13 And thou saidst in thy heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; and I will sit upon the mount of congregation, in the uttermost parts of the north; 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to Sheol, to the uttermost parts of the pit."

This is talking about Satan, who will be cast down and locked up in the Bottomless Pit

 

[BABerean2]

This is talking about Satan, who will be cast down and locked up in the Bottomless Pit googletag.cmd.push(function() { googletag.display('div-gpt-ad-1431698694306-1'); });

Is this a future event or has it already happened?

We know at least some of the wicked angels have already been chained in the verses below.
Satan was the leader of the wicked angels.


2Pe_2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Jud_1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Being chained does not mean one has no liberty.

The Apostle Paul had the liberty to write a great deal of the New Testament while he was bound in chains.

A chained Doberman can kill you if you go into his territory.

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[Douggg]

Maybe you should read the whole context of the chapter?
"How art thou fallen from heaven, O day-star, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, that didst lay low the nations!

13 And thou saidst in thy heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; and I will sit upon the mount of congregation, in the uttermost parts of the north; 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to Sheol, to the uttermost parts of the pit."

This is talking about Satan, who will be cast down and locked up in the Bottomless Pit

No, not talking completely about Satan. You have to go to Ezekiel 28 to get the picture.

prince of tyre - code name for the man of sin, King of Israel messiah gone bad, thinks he has achieved God-hood,
king of tyrus - code name for Satan, covering cherub gone bad, wants to be over God, and be worshiped.

man of sin - son of perdition, called that because for a brief instance Satan enters him (like Judas) to carry out the act of going into the temple, sitting, claiming to be God.

In Isaiah 14:19-20, a muslim doesn't fit, neither does Satan. The person has to be a Jew for the passage to mean anything.

19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

 

[BABerean2]

The pope speaks before the U.S. Congress on Climate Change and Income Inequality...

http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2015/0.../playlists/pope-francis-visits-cuba-and-u-s-/

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[Ronald]

No, not talking completely about Satan. You have to go to Ezekiel 28 to get the picture.

prince of tyre - code name for the man of sin, King of Israel messiah gone bad, thinks he has achieved God-hood,
king of tyrus - code name for Satan, covering cherub gone bad, wants to be over God, and be worshiped.

man of sin - son of perdition, called that because for a brief instance Satan enters him (like Judas) to carry out the act of going into the temple, sitting, claiming to be God.

In Isaiah 14:19-20, a muslim doesn't fit, neither does Satan. The person has to be a Jew for the passage to mean anything.

19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

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Why don't you read the context:
Is. 14:12 states this: "How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!"
So you are saying this passage is not talking about Satan?
verse 4 > King of Babylon Satan
verse 6 > "He who ruled the nations in anger" Satan
verse 9 > "Hades ... is excited about you, to meet you at your coming" Satan
verse 11 > "Your pomp is brought down to Sheol" Satan
Verse 16 > "Is this the man that made the earth tremble?" Antichrist possessed by Satan

The King of Babylon is not a Jew. Babylon emerged 4000 years ago. It is where all the false religions, philosophies, mysticism, astrology, cults and humanism come from and then God confused their language and so it spread throughout the world. In Rev. 18, when it says Babylon has fallen, it is not just speaking of one city, it is speaking of the whole world system. Babel = confused. And Satan has manifest himself as the Beast in many civilizations. Remember the Assyrians are mentioned: vs. 25 "That I will break the Assyrian in My land" ... his yoke will be removed from them.
Who is present day Assyria? Then vs 31: "All you of Philistia are dissolved"
They did not kill all the Philistines when God ordered them to do so. Their seed has grown since then. Who are they now? Muslims! Who are the Syrians? Muslims. Who were the last conquerors of Babylon between 300 BCE and 600 A.D. before it just dissolved? The Persians.

 

[Dave Watchman]

I am learning from reading you guys, but I have a question. I think it may be related to the topic. What in your opinion did the prophet Isaiah mean by this scripture? Was he speaking to the Antichrist?
Isaiah 14:18-20New International Version (NIV)

18 All the kings of the nations lie in state,
each in his own tomb.
19 But you are cast out of your tomb
like a rejected branch;
you are covered with the slain,
with those pierced by the sword,
those who descend to the stones of the pit.
Like a corpse trampled underfoot,
20 you will not join them in burial,
for you have destroyed your land
and killed your people.

Let the offspring of the wicked
never be mentioned again.

Psalm 21:10
You will wipe their children from the face of the earth;
they will never have descendants.

Psalm 37:28
For the LORD loves the just and will not forsake his faithful ones. Wrongdoers will be completely destroyed; the offspring of the wicked will perish.​

The offspring of the wicked will never be mentioned again because at this point the wicked are all dead, they won't be having kids anymore.

I am learning from reading you guys too.

"Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather"​

I was looking for various opinions on the corpse and vulture verses and found little consensus. My ideas on Isaiah 14 will conflict with Amils, Dispys and every other Ism out there. Only the desolated Earth millennium of the SDA can make the puzzle piece fit. Because the wicked are wiped off the planet, the Elect are raptured away and the trees sing because no man remains here to cut them down. "The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet" in verse "7" for the first time since before creation week, because only Lucifer is here.

Isaiah 14 is not the Antichrist receiving his mortal head wound. This describes Lucifer's future situation right at the start of the thousand years of Revelation 20 after he has killed 1/3 of mankind during the tribulation, all the saints are raptured and after the great wine press of God. The KJV names him as Lucifer in verse 12. This is right about the time that the birds are feasting on the wicked who are laying around dead everywhere killed by the Rider on the white horse.

"And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had done the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image.
These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur.
And the rest were slain by the sword that came from the mouth of him who was sitting on the horse, and all the birds were gorged with their flesh".​

The trouble here is that all the participants mentioned get killed it's just that Lucifer and his team don't die. They can't yet, not for the next 1000 years. Lucifer's tribulation body gets destroyed in the lake of fire but he's tossed back out as a spirit just like he is right now in the abyss. He will not join them in burial, he gets cast out of his tomb. He will be stuck on the Earth watching the end result of the great tribulation while being "covered with the slain" from verse 19.

It looks to me like this is the worst point in Lucifer's career. He had been in full power as world leader for the past 42 months then he's alone for the first time in his life with nobody to deceive, everyone is dead or gone and the place is a mess.

I noticed the trees are happy in verse 8, no lumberjacks are around to cut them down:

"The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.
Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying,
Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us".​

"And I saw,

coming out of the mouth of the dragon
and out of the mouth of the beast
and out of the mouth of the false prophet,

three unclean spirits like frogs.
For they are demonic spirits,"​

The dragon, the (second) beast and the false prophet are all the same person. The demonic frog like spirits can only be ordered around by One Boss, the angel king of the bottomless pit. From Matthew 12 Beelzebul, the prince of demons:"And if Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand?" When the "dragon" gets captured, all of his other personifications will also be "thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur", like killing someone who has a multiple personality disorder.

See, "the "sword" that came from the mouth of him who was sitting on the horse", is really a "command" that came from the mouth of him who was sitting on the horse. A sword doesn't really fly out of the Riders mouth, He commands them to die and they do it.. So it's really a command that comes "out of the mouth" of Lucifer that orders the demonic frog like spirits to go to the kings of the Earth.

They have as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit.
His name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek he is called Apollyon.


for Servants and Handmaids:

The Lord hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.

The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.

How art thou fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer, son of the morning!
how art thou cut down to the ground,
which didst weaken the nations!


All the kings of the nations lie in state,
each in his own tomb.

But you are cast out of your tomb
like a rejected branch;

you are covered with the slain,
with those pierced by the sword,<-that came from the mouth of Him sitting on the horse

those who descend to the stones of the pit.
Like a corpse trampled underfoot,

you will not join them in burial,
for you have destroyed your land
and killed your people.

Let the offspring of the wicked
never be mentioned again.<-Game Over Time = All the wicked are dead means no more offspring.




Names of Satan:

Abaddon

Accuser

Adversary

Angel of light

Angel of the bottomless pit

Anointed covering cherub

Antichrist

Apollyon

Beast

Beelzebub

Belial

Deceiver

Devil

Dragon

Enemy

Evil one

Father of lies

God of this age

King of Babylon

King of the bottomless pit

King of Tyre

Lawless one

Leviathan

Liar

Little horn

Lucifer

Man of sin

Murderer

Power of darkness

Prince of the power of the air

Roaring lion

Rulers of the darkness

Ruler of demons

Ruler of this world

Satan

Serpent of old

Son of perdition

Star

Tempter

Thief

Wicked one


This list of names for Satan has been taken from the New King James Version of the Bible.

Very soon Satan will leave the spirit world that he has lived in for thousands of years. He will become visible to us and will claim that he is God.

The Bible calls him the beast.

http://www.markbeast.com/satan/names-of-satan.htm


Satan is striving to gain every advantage.... Disguised as an angel of light, he will walk the earth as a wonder-worker. In beautiful language he will present lofty sentiments; good words will be spoken by him and good deeds performed. Christ will be personified. But on one point there will be a marked distinction—Satan will turn the people from the law of God. Notwithstanding this, so well will he counterfeit righteousness that, if it were possible, he would deceive the very elect. Crowned heads, presidents, rulers in high places, will bow to his false theories.—Fundamentals of Christian Education, 471, 472 (1897). – {LDE 166.1} - EG White


Personification
per·son·i·fi·ca·tion/pərˌsänəfəˈkāSH(ə)n/noun

the attribution of a personal nature or human characteristics to something nonhuman, or the representation of an abstract quality in human form.


Let the offspring of the wicked
never be mentioned again.

Farewell and adieu to you fair Spanish ladies.
Farewell and adieu to you ladies of Spain.
For we've received orders for to sail back to Boston.
And so never more shall we see you again.
- Quint

 

[Douggg]

The dragon, the (second) beast and the false prophet are all the same person. The demonic frog like spirits can only be ordered around by One Boss, the angel king of the bottomless pit. From Matthew 12 Beelzebul, the prince of demons:"And if Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand?" When the "dragon" gets captured, all of his other personifications will also be "thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur", like killing someone who has a multiple personality disorder.

Dave, you are bending the scriptures to fit your view. It should be the other way around.

 

[Douggg]

The King of Babylon is not a Jew. Babylon emerged 4000 years ago. It is where all the false religions, philosophies, mysticism, astrology, cults and humanism come from and then God confused their language and so it spread throughout the world. In Rev. 18, when it says Babylon has fallen, it is not just speaking of one city, it is speaking of the whole world system. Babel = confused. And Satan has manifest himself as the Beast in many civilizations. Remember the Assyrians are mentioned: vs. 25 "That I will break the Assyrian in My land" ... his yoke will be removed from them.
Who is present day Assyria? Then vs 31: "All you of Philistia are dissolved"

Ronald, the King of Babylon is nothing more than a code name for the person who becomes the Antichrist, then claims to be God, rejected by the Jews as their king, then God has killed and is in the place of the dead in Isaiah 14 - which itself is not the bottomless pit - but adjacent to it. He has to be a Jew for the verses in Isaiah 14:18-19 to mean anything.

So the time has come for the person to be brought back to life in Isiah 14:18-19.... to become the beast in Revelation 13.

However, in Revelation 17, there is someone already called the beast in "the bottomless pit" who was dead even at the time of John. imo, that is the person who transforms the Jewish person into the king of Babylon and the Assyrian. The unclean spirit of Nimrod.

 

[ebedmelech]

This is quickly becoming great FANTASY eschatology! I'm dropping in simply to hear the next really nonsensical view of the end.

Now...it's "bible codes"...WOW!!!

 

[Ronald]

Ronald, the King of Babylon is nothing more than a code name for the person who becomes the Antichrist, then claims to be God, rejected by the Jews as their king, then God has killed and is in the place of the dead in Isaiah 14 - which itself is not the bottomless pit - but adjacent to it. He has to be a Jew for the verses in Isaiah 14:18-19 to mean anything.

So the time has come for the person to be brought back to life in Isiah 14:18-19.... to become the beast in Revelation 13.

However, in Revelation 17, there is someone already called the beast in "the bottomless pit" who was dead even at the time of John. imo, that is the person who transforms the Jewish person into the king of Babylon and the Assyrian. The unclean spirit of Nimrod.

Listen, during the Great Tribulation Israel/Jerusalem is attacked by the antichrist. They flee, their homes are pillaged and plundered. You are saying the that the antichrist is a JEW_ whom they believe ... while he persecutes them and Christians?
Presently, what is going on now? Putin is moving into Syria and setting up a base. One of his goals is to protect Assad's leadership. But the other key reason is to thwart Israel's presumed attack on Iran's nuclear facilities. This puts Bibi in a difficult situation. Putin himself is an antichrist. Ayatollah is an antichrist. The ISIS leader is as well. So which one is going to try to take over that region ... and later the world? Things are happening right now. Bibi is in charge of Israel, a righteous man, a godly man. He is not an antichrist nor will any Jewish leader soon surface to fit that bill. Satan is not only in control of the Islam but is in control of Russia, China and all the false religions as well and the stage is being set.
Again, the Beast looks like Islam. I have to admit that if you just used logic, Russia would be the most powerful evil force on the stage. ???

 

[Reformed Lutheran]

This is quickly becoming great FANTASY eschatology! I'm dropping in simply to hear the next really nonsensical view of the end.

Now...it's "bible codes"...WOW!!!

Sensational holywood eschatology sells! And it keeps weak minded Christians entertained , buying books, and always coming back for more..

Do you think the persecuted Christians in Syria loosing house, church and home are paying any attention to these sensational babblings

 

[Douggg]

Listen, during the Great Tribulation Israel/Jerusalem is attacked by the antichrist. They flee, their homes are pillaged and plundered. You are saying the that the antichrist is a JEW_ whom they believe ... while he persecutes them and Christians?

An apostate Jew at time, believing he has achieved God-hood.

Presently, what is going on now? Putin is moving into Syria and setting up a base. One of his goals is to protect Assad's leadership. But the other key reason is to thwart Israel's presumed attack on Iran's nuclear facilities. This puts Bibi in a difficult situation. Putin himself is an antichrist. Ayatollah is an antichrist.

I don't know what Putin's religous beliefs are. But the Ayatollah is of religion that reeks of the spirit of antichrist, I don't disagree with that.

The ISIS leader is as well. So which one is going to try to take over that region ... and later the world? Things are happening right now. Bibi is in charge of Israel, a righteous man, a godly man. He is not an antichrist nor will any Jewish leader soon surface to fit that bill.

Well, I agree with you that things are beginning to congel as far as Gog/Magog. And Bibi is not the Antichrist. The person who becomes the Antichrist is still in the wings - in Europe - and has to be a Jew to fill the role.

Satan is not only in control of the Islam but is in control of Russia, China and all the false religions as well and the stage is being set. Again, the Beast looks like Islam. I have to admit that if you just used logic, Russia would be the most powerful evil force on the stage. ???

Well, I think you have to look at Russia moving into the middle east as Gog/Magog early stages - which the little horn, as I understand Daniel 8 stands up to stop that aggression. Therefore, I am looking at Europe. Something is going to happen that they become that ten leader form of government.

 

[Douggg]

Sensational holywood eschatology sells! And it keeps weak minded Christians entertained , buying books, and always coming back for more..

Do you think the persecuted Christians in Syria loosing house, church and home are paying any attention to these sensational babblings

Actually the reformers were in a similar situation that they focused on eschatology thinking the Pope was the Antichrist.

 

[ebedmelech]

Sensational holywood eschatology sells! And it keeps weak minded Christians entertained , buying books, and always coming back for more..

Do you think the persecuted Christians in Syria loosing house, church and home are paying any attention to these sensational babblings

This is true. It's the sad part of it. Not looking at Christians in the world and what many go through in other nations that do not have the freedoms that we have in America and a few other countries.

I go to church and fellowship with no fear of my life...but I know Christians in North Korea (for example), know what it means to be persecuted as well as Syrian Christians.

 

[Ronald]

Well, I think you have to look at Russia moving into the middle east as Gog/Magog early stages - which the little horn, as I understand Daniel 8 stands up to stop that aggression. Therefore, I am looking at Europe. Something is going to happen that they become that ten leader form of government.

I know what your view is, have for a long time. Keep waiting on Europe and as the GT is just about ready to ignite, you'll be scratching your head - "Hey, what about the revived Roman Empire ... the EU ... I thought it was Charles or the Bilderbergs / the Illuminati ... what's going on??"

 

[Douggg]

I know what your view is, have for a long time. Keep waiting on Europe and as the GT is just about ready to ignite, you'll be scratching your head - "Hey, what about the revived Roman Empire ... the EU ... I thought it was Charles or the Bilderbergs / the Illuminati ... what's going on??"

I never subscribed to any of those, Ronald. I don't have a specific candidate for the little horn in mind.