The origins of atheism

[Davian]

God is not on trial...you are. It is you who need to show Him proof. Surely a Christian-raise person, should know that. Were you not paying attention?

Why would I try to show proof for anything to someone that I consider to be fictional? In your letters to Santa, do you insist that you have been good?

 

[ScottA]

Argument from popularity? Come sir I expect better from those who claim to hold the truth.

Eyewitness testimony is not "argument from popularity." Come back when you know the difference.

 

[SteveB28]

Eyewitness testimony is not "argument from popularity." Come back when you know the difference.

You seem confused. The 'Argumentum ad populum' fallacy is revealed in your statement about "hundreds of thousands" and "best selling book". The fallacy is expressed in your reliance upon the numbers of people you claim to hold your view.

 

[ScottA]

Eyewitness testimony is notoriously inaccurate, and is quickly tossed when it is not corroborated by physical evidence. You don't have any corroborating evidence, do you?

No, eyewitness testimony is just as commonly excepted as physical evidence...and yes, I have a world of physical evidence. Shall I begin at the beginning?

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." (testimony)

I submit the earth as evidence. (physical evidence)

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

Why are you mixing the "feelings" experiences with the "knowing" experiences?

Personal experience may not be evidence in the courts, but eyewitness testimony is. Why are you mixing these two also?

Can you name one contemporary source for the claims in the bible, especially about Jesus?
The ancient Roman empire were extremely good record keepers.
"They came out of the tombs after Jesus' resurrection and went into the holy city and appeared to many people." Matthew 27:53--- apparently zombies walking around wasn't really that important to write down.

God is not on trial...you are. It is you who need to show Him proof. Surely a Christian-raise person, should know that. Were you not paying attention?

On trial for what?
I believe there is a diamond the size of a refrigerator buried in my back yard. This diamond does not have to show you proof and neither do I. You need to show it proof! If you believe hard enough, it will reveal itself to you. See how nonsensical that sounds?

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

No, eyewitness testimony is just as commonly excepted as physical evidence...and yes, I have a world of physical evidence. Shall I begin at the beginning?

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." (testimony)

I submit the earth as evidence. (physical evidence)

Circular reasoning. You're putting your conclusion in your premise. "It's true because it says it's true, it's true because it say's its true, it's true because it say's its true, it's true because it says it's true"
Scripture is a claim, not evidence.

 

[ScottA]

His existence is very much "on trial". And no evidence has ever been produced for a 'conviction'.

See you at the trial.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

True. And as a psychologist (not talking about religion at the moment), I can tell you that it is virtually impossible to convince someone (regardless of proofs) of something that they are fully committed to disbelieve. Everything we believe is a choice. I have seen many people deny the reality which is right before their eyes. Others have minds far to open and gullible, believing patently untrue ideas. So of course I cannot prove anything to you because absolutely nothing will convince you. The only reason I am interacting with you is because perhaps there are others with reasonably open minds who are reading this.

What indicates that "absolutely nothing will convince [him/us]"?

 

[SteveB28]

No, eyewitness testimony is just as commonly excepted as physical evidence...and yes, I have a world of physical evidence. Shall I begin at the beginning?

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." (testimony)

I submit the earth as evidence. (physical evidence)

"Excepted", yes. But rarely accepted without corroborating evidence. It is notoriously inaccurate.

And your "testimony" was made by one who could not possibly have witnessed the events they claim.

And the earth is just as much "evidence" for planet-creating goblins as it is for your preferred brand of deity.

 

[SteveB28]

See you at the trial.

Oh, but we are here already. Your god's existence has been claimed for the last several thousand years. It has been a long and drawn-out trial, but no-one has yet produced an iota of credible evidence.

 

[ScottA]

Can you name one contemporary source for the claims in the bible, especially about Jesus?
The ancient Roman empire were extremely good record keepers.
"They came out of the tombs after Jesus' resurrection and went into the holy city and appeared to many people." Matthew 27:53--- apparently zombies walking around wasn't really that important to write down.

Me. I can name me.

On trial for what?

For your life. The same written testimonies also explained that WE are the walking dead. Did you not know that you were death on borrowed time?

 

[SteveB28]

Me. I can name me.

You were a contemporary of Jesus!?

Oh dear............

 

[ScottA]

your "testimony" was made by one who could not possibly have witnessed the events they claim.

And the earth is just as much "evidence" for planet-creating goblins as it is for your preferred brand of deity.

Brilliant. Good luck proving anything more than a generation ago. Goblins then.

 

[ScottA]

Oh, but we are here already. Your god's existence has been claimed for the last several thousand years. It has been a long and drawn-out trial, but no-one has yet produced an iota of credible evidence.

Oh, contraire...you are producing your own evidence this very moment. When you are done, you may step down.

 

[ScottA]

You were a contemporary of Jesus!?

Oh dear............

I am.

 

[ScottA]

Why would I try to show proof for anything to someone that I consider to be fictional?

Because...you judge yourself, and receive the verdict that you yourself hand down.

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

Me. I can name me.

I don't think you know what the word "Contemporary" means.

 

[quatona]

True. And as a psychologist (not talking about religion at the moment), I can tell you that it is virtually impossible to convince someone (regardless of proofs) of something that they are fully committed to disbelieve.

1. Somehow you almost make it sound like this weren´t the same with full commitment to believe.
2. Are you presupposing I am fully committed to disbelieve?

Everything we believe is a choice.

Depends on how you define choice.

I have seen many people deny the reality which is right before their eyes. Others have minds far to open and gullible, believing patently untrue ideas.

...but for some reason you are sure it can´t be you?

So of course I cannot prove anything to you because absolutely nothing will convince you.

So you are presupposing I am one of those persons whom you have described above? How convenient for you.

The only reason I am interacting with you is because perhaps there are others with reasonably open minds who are reading this.

Dear Sir, this entire post of yours reeks like a pile of projections (psychologically speaking ).

 

[ScottA]

I don't think you know what the word "Contemporary" means.

con·tem·po·rar·y
kənˈtempəˌrerē/
adjective

1. 1.
   living or occurring at the same time.
   "the event was recorded by a contemporary historian"
2. 2.
   belonging to or occurring in the present.
   "the tension and complexities of our contemporary society"
   synonyms: modern, up-to-date, up-to-the-minute, fashionable;

 

[SteveB28]

I am.

You lived 2000 years ago, at the time that Jesus is claimed to have and when the dead bodies of saints were released from their graves and walked the streets?

I see......