The origins of atheism

[ToddNotTodd]

I prefer knowing the truth.

The truth that you can't rationally demonstrate.

 

[Foxhole87]

Thanks, I already made this point.

You already made the point how you can be deceived into thinking something is a certain way when it actually isn't that way at all when you look at it in a specific and critical way to come up with an objectively demonstrable answer to a question?

 

[ecco]

unlike the tooth fairy , santa , and other fictional characters God has proven His existence to some people and the tooth fairy and santa have not . ALL human beings seek out the truth and desire to have an accurate perception we challenge and test concepts to see if theyre really true and those that do not prove to be real we discard as adults because we seek out truth . Athiests are just people who have not experienced this proof in Gods existence yet and have not been convinced and so they do not believe . If God did not convince us neither would we believe .

unlike the tooth fairy , santa , and other fictional characters Allah has proven His existence to some people and the tooth fairy and santa have not . ALL human beings seek out the truth and desire to have an accurate perception we challenge and test concepts to see if they're really true and those that do not prove to be real we discard as adults because we seek out truth . Christians are just people who have not experienced this proof in Allah's existence yet and have not been convinced and so they do not believe . If Allah did not convince us neither would we believe .
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Is this a convincing argument?

 

[Rebecca12]

II Cor 4:4 the god of this world, Satan, blinds the spiritual eyes of people

This kind of interferes with the concept of free will, doesn't it.

 

[99terabytes]

romans 1:20 - For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse

There are other verses i cant seem to place... but my belief is that the existence of a god is self evident. God's fingerprint is over everything in this world, and i can clearly see it as his handiwork.
We both see the same thing, but the athiest attributes it to .. randomness, or science or what have you, but the follower of God attributes it to God.

Atheists exist just like blind people exist. and for the same reason, because somethings frigged up with them.


I have considered all that I know about this universe, and passed through countless scenerios in my mind. To me, it seems that evolution(speciation), if true, and if there is no god, would create a "god". So God is more of a question of when, than if.

what does evolution create when you have infinite time, and limitless space? A God. obviously. us in the past generation alone, have made it to where us being a god is conceivable. remember, you dont have to be a god to youreself.... just to a lower being. I could be "god" of some computerized germ city, probably within my lifetime. God is so [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]in possible its ridiculous.

 

[AV1611VET]

This kind of interferes with the concept of free will, doesn't it.

Not at all.

Even a physically blind man has freewill.

 

[Rebecca12]

Not at all.

Even a physically blind man has freewill.

But he doesn't have the free will to see if someone put a blindfold on him.

 

[jenny1972]

Then we cannot possibly have that disbelief held against us if as you say here, it is due to evidence that God has withheld from us.

exactly i dont have anything against you i dont know why anyone would you simply are not convinced you havent experienced anything convincing yet , whats so convincing about a collection of outrageous and illogical stories told by people we dont even know ? why would we find that any more convincing than you do? all humans are on a fact finding mission for truth and have no interest in believing in lies or living a lie

 

[Davian]

It's not up to me to prove anything to you about God, nor can I. It's up to God to prove himself to you and he won't if you don't want him to.

You could try to prove God does not exist, but that would set me back to not knowing why I exist, which where atheists currently sit. I prefer knowing the truth.

Your admission that you cannot demonstrate that this "spiritual realm" that you speak of is not imaginary is reason enough to believe that your "truth" is only opinion.

 

[jenny1972]

unlike the tooth fairy , santa , and other fictional characters Allah has proven His existence to some people and the tooth fairy and santa have not . ALL human beings seek out the truth and desire to have an accurate perception we challenge and test concepts to see if they're really true and those that do not prove to be real we discard as adults because we seek out truth . Christians are just people who have not experienced this proof in Allah's existence yet and have not been convinced and so they do not believe . If Allah did not convince us neither would we believe .
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Is this a convincing argument?

Allah is just a different name for God

 

[Wryetui]

Some reasons are:

1. Pride.
2. False theologies
3. John 3:19​

At least, that's how it looks from the rock I'm sitting on.

It certainly is not because it makes any sense to think that all this organization derives from random collision of (highly organized) atoms.

 

[Foxhole87]

romans 1:20 - For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse

There are other verses i cant seem to place... but my belief is that the existence of a god is self evident. God's fingerprint is over everything in this world, and i can clearly see it as his handiwork.
We both see the same thing, but the athiest attributes it to .. randomness, or science or what have you, but the follower of God attributes it to God.

Atheists exist just like blind people exist. and for the same reason, because somethings frigged up with them.


I have considered all that I know about this universe, and passed through countless scenerios in my mind. To me, it seems that evolution(speciation), if true, and if there is no god, would create a "god". So God is more of a question of when, than if.

what does evolution create when you have infinite time, and limitless space? A God. obviously. us in the past generation alone, have made it to where us being a god is conceivable. remember, you dont have to be a god to youreself.... just to a lower being. I could be "god" of some computerized germ city, probably within my lifetime. God is so [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]in possible its ridiculous.

There is something wrong with nearly every idea you have presented.

 

[ecco]

Allah is just a different name for God

Do you believe that the Koran was transcribed by Mohammed when god spoke to him?
Do you believe that the Koran is the word of god on an equal footing with the Old and New Testaments of the Christian bible?

 

[LynnC]

I am honestly baffled by how, and why, people claim not to believe in a Creator of all.
I can't imagine why they think they exist, or what they think when it comes to their purpose... the purpose of life....
Honestly I agree with what is written in the Bible, that
we are all born with a 'knowing' that something greater than ourselves must exist, even though we can not understand it, or how...
Honestly I think atheists are what they are merely because they don't like the idea of rules, and they view religion as a set of rules, rather than as a blessing, the Word, from the One that created us and wants to guide us into blessings. Every designer knows best the way to implement his designs.
Honestly I think atheists are self-deceived in order to pursue life the way they want to pursue it... making themselves their own gods.

 

[jenny1972]

Do you believe that the Koran was transcribed by Mohammed when god spoke to him?
Do you believe that the Koran is the word of god on an equal footing with the Old and New Testaments of the Christian bible?

I do believe that God can and does influence and inspire people in all religions , no single man made religion has exclusive rights to God although sadly many apparently believe this . I honestly think that God would prefer that there were no differing religions in this world that caused war and human suffering . i dont know a lot about islam did the words attributed to God express division and hate or acceptance and love ?

2 corinthians 11:14 No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.

 

[LynnC]

Allah is just a different name for God

Hi Jenny,
I don't agree.
allah is the enemy of Christ, and the enemy of the one true Creator.
What allah taught Muhammad was to take a little bit of the Truth and use it to create a destructive force.
Peace and blessings to you,
Lynn

 

[jenny1972]

Hi Jenny,
I don't agree.
allah is the enemy of Christ, and the enemy of the one true Creator.
What allah taught Muhammad was to take a little bit of the Truth and use it to create a destructive force.
Peace and blessings to you,
Lynn

Allah (English pronunciation: /ˈælə/ or /ˈɑːlə/;[1] Arabic: الله‎ Allāh, IPA: [ʔalˤˈlˤɑːh] ( listen)) is the Arabic word for God (al ilāh, literally "the God").[2][3][4] The word has cognates in other Semitic languages, including Elah in Aramaic, ʾĒl in Canaanite and Elohim in Hebrew.[5][6]

It is used mainly by Muslims to refer to God in Islam,[7] but it has also been used by Arab Christians since pre-Islamic times.[8] It is also often, albeit not exclusively, used by Bábists, Bahá'ís, Indonesian and Maltese Christians, and Mizrahi Jews.

all im saying is that Allah means God

 

[Colter]

2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the God of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

See the difference?

Which one do you think we should subscribe to?

Paul's opinions don't mean much to me, he was never taught by Christ in the flesh.
He brought a lot of his own baggage into his compromised version of the gospel.

 

[DZoolander]

The origins of atheism are very simple and go pretty much like this...

"Someone told me about God today...

Didn't sound true to me."

 

[GoldenBoy89]

I am honestly baffled by how, and why, people claim not to believe in a Creator of all.

Crazy, huh? Beliefs tend to be that way to those who don't hold them.

I can't imagine why they think they exist,

Why does there need to be a reason?

or what they think when it comes to their purpose... the purpose of life....

What is the purpose of life? What external purpose does existence actually serve? What's the end game here? I doubt you know.

Honestly I agree with what is written in the Bible, that
we are all born with a 'knowing' that something greater than ourselves must exist, even though we can not understand it, or how...

Well I think that is obviously true. I just disagree that it can be anything supernatural. There are things far greater than us but are still completely natural and physical in its existence. The best example I can think of would be the world itself. It is far greater than the whole of humanity and is completely natural. There is nothing supernatural or non-physical or spiritual about the earth. We don't understand everything there is to know about it but we know enough to know it works within the physical limitations of the universe.

Honestly I think atheists are what they are merely because they don't like the idea of rules,

Wrong. Atheists are the way they are because they don't believe in gods. We aren't anarchists. We aren't lawless. But maybe you can explain the overwhelming amount of religiosity found in prisons?

We just don't believe we need to listen to an invisible being who only has one ancient book and the believers of said book to speak for it. If God were as evident as the color of the sky, I would have no reason to say he doesn't exist. Clearly, it isn't so evidently clear that gods exist or there wouldn't be literally thousands of different religions.

and they view religion as a set of rules, rather than as a blessing, the Word, from the One that created us and wants to guide us into blessings.

He should have picked a more convincing form of communication with his creation than speaking through fallible men and an ancient book.

Honestly I think atheists are self-deceived in order to pursue life the way they want to pursue it... making themselves their own gods.

What a gyp! I don't even get any magic powers or invincibility..... Pretty weak gods, we atheists...