See atheists are a good source for facts, but not a good source for truth that can explain existence. Plato was a theist.
What's the "truth that can explain existence"?
Please give good evidence for whatever belief this may be.
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See atheists are a good source for facts, but not a good source for truth that can explain existence. Plato was a theist.
All atheists are unsaved people?
What's the "truth that can explain existence"?
Please give good evidence for whatever belief this may be.
Existence is not physical, physical things exist, so logically if somethings going to explain existence it's not going to be a physical thing, but rather a non-physical explanation. What should we call the non-physical? How about we call it what it is, spiritual.
I'm not sure why you are going on about saved or unsaved people, but presumably all atheists are unsaved people according to Christian doctrine.
eudaimonia,
Mark
Or imaginary, as I prefer.Existence is not physical, physical things exist, so logically if somethings going to explain existence it's not going to be a physical thing, but rather a non-physical explanation. What should we call the non-physical? How about we call it what it is, spiritual.
Hello there everyone. I am sure this has been discussed before but I would like to start a new discussion on this. I want to hear your opinions on why do you think atheism exists and its cause. I will tell mine only after I see yours.
Existence is not physical, physical things exist, so logically if somethings going to explain existence it's not going to be a physical thing, but rather a non-physical explanation. What should we call the non-physical? How about we call it what it is, spiritual.
Or imaginary, as I prefer.
I think you just won the internet for today.It went something like this:
Person 1: Hey, I believe there's a super powerful non-physical entity that watches over us
Person 2: I don't believe you
And thus, Atheism was born.
I had started by assuming that God exists. I had been taught this as even a little child, and it was natural then to assume that my elders were correct.
I had started to question God's existence. I discovered that I had simply assumed that God exists on the authority of adults. I discovered that I didn't have any rational reason to think that God was even a "possibility".
Have you not been given ample opportunity to demonstrate that this "spiritual realm" that you speak of is not imaginary? How much more time do you need?I prefer to say that you're imagining that the spiritual realm is imaginary. Either that or you're just flat out being deceived or deceiving yourself, but how can we ever determine the truth?
And I don't accept the answer that the truth of why theist and atheist disagree on such a huge topic can never be known because that's a cop out.
"Existence" is a property of a thing, like "red" or "tall". There's no reason to call properties spiritual. They're concepts that sit inside physical brains.
Existence is not physical, physical things exist, so logically if somethings going to explain existence it's not going to be a physical thing, but rather a non-physical explanation. What should we call the non-physical? How about we call it what it is, spiritual.
How do you know you aren't the one being deceived?I prefer to say that you're imagining that the spiritual realm is imaginary. Either that or you're just flat out being deceived or deceiving yourself, but how can we ever determine the truth?
Well after thousands of years of debate, we clearly are not any closer to understanding each other. Maybe one of us is holding onto an untenable position?And I don't accept the answer that the truth of why theist and atheist disagree on such a huge topic can never be known because that's a cop out.
Have you not been given ample opportunity to demonstrate that this "spiritual realm" that you speak of is not imaginary? How much more time do you need?
"Red" and "tall" are states of being. States of being, exist. An apple exists in a state of being red. An apple does not exist as red.
I exist in state of being tall. I do not exist as tall, that's nonsensical.
Then we cannot possibly have that disbelief held against us if as you say here, it is due to evidence that God has withheld from us.unlike the tooth fairy , santa , and other fictional characters God has proven His existence to some people and the tooth fairy and santa have not . ALL human beings seek out the truth and desire to have an accurate perception we challenge and test concepts to see if theyre really true and those that do not prove to be real we discard as adults because we seek out truth . Athiests are just people who have not experienced this proof in Gods existence yet and have not been convinced and so they do not believe . If God did not convince us neither would we believe .