The origins of atheism

[Davian]

Have you never considered that perception of the spirit realm might be a sixth sense, some people simply don't have? That you just don't have the right tools in your toolbox to analyze it, that you might be ill equipped?

What is a "spirit realm"?

For people who generally believe in evolution...what about the possibility of humans evolving to have a sixth, spiritual sense?

Is that so far fetched?

How would we test for it? In what manner would it be falsifiable?

It is only logical, that evolution proves the possibility of evolved humans, proving you wrong about the spirit realm...or the lack of evolved humans, proves you wrong about evolution.

You can't have it both ways.

You don't get anything if you cannot show that this "spirit realm" is anything other than a product of your imagination.

 

[Davian]

That's just a poor perception of human nature. Stand outside of Disneyland and survey everyone who comes out, and see if their stories differ.
What's to understand? Things evolve. I got it.

But IF YOU get evolution...then you CANNOT deny the possibility that there may be humans who have evolved to perceive something more than other members of their species.

From wiki: "Humans have a multitude of senses. Sight (ophthalmoception), hearing (audioception), taste (gustaoception), smell (olfacoception or olfacception), and touch (tactioception) are the five traditionally recognized. While the ability to detect other stimuli beyond those governed by the traditional senses exists, including temperature (thermoception), kinesthetic sense (proprioception), pain (nociception), balance (equilibrioception), and various internal stimuli (e.g. the different chemoreceptors for detecting salt and carbon dioxide concentrations in the blood), only a small number of these can safely be classified as separate senses in and of themselves. What constitutes a sense is a matter of some debate, leading to difficulties in defining what exactly a sense is."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sense

Are you claiming that you can actually sense something that cannot be explained away as your imagination?

 

[Davian]

Come back into the discussion when you can accurately identify the physical organ(s) associated with love. God is love.

Define "love" in this context.

 

[ScottA]

OK. What more then an emotion should I see it as? Something being greater than organic intelligent life offers me no clues on how to logically see love as something other then an emotion.

Until you have been there, your intellect is all you have, but that should allow you to hypothesis. It is and non-dimension existence.

How would your explain infinity? Whatever your description, it would be non-dimensional, and yet it is a word and you could hypothesis some sort of explanation. So, when you demand a dimensional explanation from those who know God, it is absurd. To do so, is unacceptable. It shows your position to be a failure...or you couldn't define infinity.

When you can put your head around infinity and hypothesis a non-dimensional existence...then...perhaps, you can see that those who know God have painted quite a vivid picture of the whole matter, all throughout history.

 

[Belk]

Until you have been there, your intellect is all you have, but that should allow you to hypothesis. It is and non-dimension existence.

How would your explain infinity? Whatever your description, it would be non-dimensional,

No, if I was trying to explain infinity it would be very dimensional since my understanding of infinity requires dimensions for it to exist in.

and yet it is a word and you could hypothesis some sort of explanation.

Because I know the meaning of the word.

So, when you demand a dimensional explanation from those who know God, it is absurd.

Why is it absurd?

To do so, is unacceptable. It shows your position to be a failure...or you couldn't define infinity.

The quality of having no limits or end

When you can put your head around infinity and hypothesis a non-dimensional existence...then...perhaps, you can see that those who know God have painted quite a vivid picture of the whole matter, all throughout history.

Uh huh....

 

[David Colin Gould]

I can hypothesise a non-dimensional existence.

But putting forward a hypothesis does not mean that that hypothesis instantly becomes true (or even supported, or even supportable ...).

I love science fiction and fantasy. I read novels in which there are deities of various sorts and afterlives of various sorts. I enjoy them. My intellect is more than capable of dealing with such notions. I am unsure how that helps the case for the existence of a real deity or a real afterlife.

 

[thesunisout]

Hello there everyone. I am sure this has been discussed before but I would like to start a new discussion on this. I want to hear your opinions on why do you think atheism exists and its cause. I will tell mine only after I see yours.

Atheism is a response of the human heart to the revelation of God: Romans 1:18-21

The natural man seeks to rule his own life rather than to submit himself to the will of His Creator. This is the default state in human beings, whether they are atheists or religionists; the implementation may be different, but the results, practical and ultimate, are the same.

 

[David Colin Gould]

This is the default state in human beings, whether they are atheists or religionists; the implementation may be different, but the results, practical and ultimate, are the same.

A bit weird that God made this our factory setting. Must be an error. Maybe the Rapture is just some kind of product recall to fix it?

 

[Davian]

Atheism is a response of the human heart to the revelation of God: Romans 1:18-21

"For the invisible things of him since the creation of the world are clearly seen, being perceived through the things that are made, [even] his everlasting power and divinity; that they may be without excuse"

Invisible things that are clearly seen? Is that like Wonder Woman's jet?

The natural man seeks to rule his own life rather than to submit himself to the will of His Creator.

Or, they simply find the claims of the religious unconvincing.

This is the default state in human beings, whether they are atheists or religionists; the implementation may be different, but the results, practical and ultimate, are the same.

Indeed. I am not convinced.

 

[AV1611VET]

Invisible things that are clearly seen? Is that like Wonder Woman's jet?

Gravity.

We see the effects of gravity.

And weight occurs when gravity is resisted.

But we don't see gravity.

Same with God.

We see the effects of God all around:

1. BC/AD
2. churches and other edifices erected in His name
3. holidays
4. iconography & statuary
5. Bibles, books, pamphlets & tracts
6. missionaries, martyrs and evangelists
7. Scripture references on public buildings
8. IN GOD WE TRUST & ONE NATION, UNDER GOD
9. plays, songs, hymns
10. organizations, hospitals, and study groups
11. debates, networks and discussion groups
12. various and other things

 

[thesunisout]

A bit weird that God made this our factory setting. Must be an error. Maybe the Rapture is just some kind of product recall to fix it?

By design, there weren't any errors; human beings were originally created to have fellowship with God. The error was on our part for making a choice to disobey God, which separated the human race from God until this day. God did provide the solution in Jesus Christ, to reconcile the human race back to Himself by providing an atonement for the sins which we are born with a predisposition to commit.

"For the invisible things of him since the creation of the world are clearly seen, being perceived through the things that are made, [even] his everlasting power and divinity; that they may be without excuse"

Invisible things that are clearly seen? Is that like Wonder Woman's jet?

Or, they simply find the claims of the religious unconvincing.

Indeed. I am not convinced.

Are you aware that you have broken Gods laws? Your conscience will tell you that much. If so, then you are aware that there is a moral authority to which you are accountable. This tells you that you are guilty before that authority and facing judgment, which uncovers your need for a Savior.

 

[Davian]

Gravity.

We see the effects of gravity.

And weight occurs when gravity is resisted.

But we don't see gravity.

Yet we can compare, test, and falsify independently verifiable theories of gravity.

Same with God.

How so? Anything testable? Falsifiable? Independently verifiable? Have you anything that might demonstrate we are not simply talking about a character in a book? No?

We see the effects of God all around:
<snip same old tripe>
12. various and other things

"various and other things"?

lol.

funny pictures bird window fail

• Davian
• May 21, 2014

But, an entertaining fail.

Keep 'em coming.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Until you have been there, your intellect is all you have, but that should allow you to hypothesis. It is and non-dimension existence.

How would your explain infinity? Whatever your description, it would be non-dimensional, and yet it is a word and you could hypothesis some sort of explanation. So, when you demand a dimensional explanation from those who know God, it is absurd. To do so, is unacceptable. It shows your position to be a failure...or you couldn't define infinity.

When you can put your head around infinity and hypothesis a non-dimensional existence...then...perhaps, you can see that those who know God have painted quite a vivid picture of the whole matter, all throughout history.

I don't normally do this but...

The word is "hypothesize".

 

[Davian]

Are you aware that you have broken Gods laws? Your conscience will tell you that much.

My conscience tells me no such thing. As an unbeliever, there are no such laws to break.

If so, then you are aware that there is a moral authority to which you are accountable.

It is my understanding that this alleged "moral authority" only cares that you believe - anything else goes.

This tells you that you are guilty before that authority and facing judgment, which uncovers your need for a Savior.

Knock Knock

• Davian
• Jan 1, 2015

 

[SteveB28]

Now, see it as more than an emotion, and you are on your way. The logic you will need comes by way of value, i.e. there is something beyond and greater than organic, intelligent life. Or retreat. It's a choice.

What absolute poppycock!

Love, as with all emotions, is a result of brain function. We can identify the section of the brain wherein that function operates. Damage it and you will lose the ability to express/feel love. Be born with a sociopath's brain and you will have never been able to love and perhaps will never be able to conceptualise love.

Attempting to mysticise that which is a well understood brain function speaks volumes of your desperation.

 

[AirPo]

Until you have been there, your intellect is all you have, but that should allow you to hypothesis. It is and non-dimension existence.

How would your explain infinity? Whatever your description, it would be non-dimensional, and yet it is a word and you could hypothesis some sort of explanation. So, when you demand a dimensional explanation from those who know God, it is absurd. To do so, is unacceptable. It shows your position to be a failure...or you couldn't define infinity.

When you can put your head around infinity and hypothesis a non-dimensional existence...then...perhaps, you can see that those who know God have painted quite a vivid picture of the whole matter, all throughout history.

This post is smug arrogance and bovine feces.

But it did inspire a new entry int the Urban Dictionary

SAABS (with apologies to actual Saab owners.)

 

[AirPo]

Gravity.

We see the effects of gravity.

And weight occurs when gravity is resisted.

But we don't see gravity.

Same with God.

We see the effects of God all around:

1. BC/AD
2. churches and other edifices erected in His name
3. holidays
4. iconography & statuary
5. Bibles, books, pamphlets & tracts
6. missionaries, martyrs and evangelists
7. Scripture references on public buildings
8. IN GOD WE TRUST & ONE NATION, UNDER GOD
9. plays, songs, hymns
10. organizations, hospitals, and study groups
11. debates, networks and discussion groups
12. various and other things

No, those are the effects of people who believe in God.

 

[AirPo]

Atheism is a response of the human heart to the revelation of God: Romans 1:18-21

The natural man seeks to rule his own life rather than to submit himself to the will of His Creator. This is the default state in human beings, whether they are atheists or religionists; the implementation may be different, but the results, practical and ultimate, are the same.

That one word (bolded) says it all. Being told to submit comes off as a power play by a con artist.

Guess what? NO!

 

[AV1611VET]

Yet we can compare, test, and falsify independently verifiable theories of gravity.

Good.

Keep up the good work.

How so?

I gave you a whole list of how-sos.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, those are the effects of people who believe in God.

What about the effects of those who don't believe in God?

Rome gave a large measure of its attention to eradicating our beliefs before they ever got started.

Today, people spend a lot of time on the Internet arguing against Someone they say doesn't exist.

Even our Constitution was amended with a bill of rights to protect us from pogroms by those who believe otherwise.