Should Christians take up arms ?

[Bluelion]

Are you still under the Mosaic Law? All 600+ provisions of it?

God does not change, but His relationship with people does. We are under a better covenant with better promises from that of David. In addition, as I've already said, Israel is a unique nation of which God explicitly defined physical boundaries. If we were Jews in Israel under the Mosaic Covenant, that argument would be valid. But we aren't, so it's not.

Now we are not under the law meaning there is no more penalty for breaking the law. Sin where is your victory? what gave sin its power was the law and death it required, but the death has been paid, but not one letter of the law has passed away. Jesus said do not think I can to abolish the Law but to fulfill it. The law is still relevant. The people miss understood the Law, while it is true Jew and gentile were under different laws. It does not change the fact that God uses people to punish others. David carrying a weapon is relevant. God does not change, God did not change His relationship to us either it still build on love mercy and grace, God just brought us closer to Him. Would you have us throw out The OT? DO you say the OT does not matter any more? Are you attempting to take away over half of God's word and make it null and void? If so I think you gravely misunderstand.

 

[Righttruth]

is my logic wrong when the soldiers ask what they should do and Jesus said don't take advantage of the people and be happy with their pay. Why did he not tell them to leave the military if it was wrong? they asked?

No two was enough they regrouped together after they were scattered.

Jesus call demanded leaving everything and follow Him. Weapons were not exempted.

 

[dogs4thewin]

If you ( general) do not want to pick up arms and defend yourself fine. HOWEVER, I feel you ( general) should be willing to defend OTHERS with violent if you have to and you better not tell me not to defend myself. I am a STRONG second amendment supporter and would likely carry if my eyes and motor skills allowed it.

 

[Bluelion]

Jesus call demanded leaving everything and follow Him. Weapons were not exempted.

God does not change, if He armed king David with a sling shot and taught him how to use it it stands to reason God would also arm some people today and teach them how to use it. In fact He does, God said everyone in positions of power was put there by Him, that they have the power to punish you so obey them,(when it does not convict with Him). DO people in power not use weapons?

 

[Righttruth]

God does not change, if He armed king David with a sling shot and taught him how to use it it stands to reason God would also arm some people today and teach them how to use it.

Then God sent His Son in vain!

In fact He does, God said everyone in positions of power was put there by Him, that they have the power to punish you so obey them,(when it does not convict with Him). DO people in power not use weapons?

That is philosophy and practice of politicians now!

 

[mikedsjr]

Jesus call demanded leaving everything and follow Him. Weapons were not exempted.

Shirts, not exempt.
Underwear, not exempt.
Pants, not exempt.
Makeup, not exempt.
Internet, not exempt
Cars, not exempt
Jobs, not exempt
Showers, not exempt
TV not exempt.

Righttruth, i think there is something to be taken away from your stance that's true. But there is no way you would agree to anything within the Scripture text I've defended. You seem to come across as a Puritan.

 

[Righttruth]

Shirts, not exempt.
Underwear, not exempt.
Pants, not exempt.
Makeup, not exempt.
Internet, not exempt
Cars, not exempt
Jobs, not exempt
Showers, not exempt
TV not exempt.

Righttruth, i think there is something to be taken away from your stance that's true. But there is no way you would agree to anything within the Scripture text I've defended. You seem to come across as a Puritan.

You are called to become holy, not roll on materialistic monopoly!

 

[mikedsjr]

You are called to become holy, not roll on materialistic monopoly!

So you believe owning underwear makes one materialistic? Does using a computer make one materialistic?

 

[98cwitr]

Ever thought about how much Jesus and the disciples "borrowed" from others. Interesting thought....

Shelter
Food
Wine
Donkey

What did they "purchase?"

 

[Righttruth]

So you believe owning underwear makes one materialistic? Does using a computer make one materialistic?

Becoming slave to them makes a man materialistic!

 

[mikedsjr]

So as long as a person is not a slave to a weapon, it isn't materialistic. As long as one does not use a weapon to kill but to protect, it is allowable as a Christian?

You realize for some the only reason for their weapon is to hunt and protect family?

 

[Righttruth]

So as long as a person is not a slave to a weapon, it isn't materialistic. As long as one does not use a weapon to kill but to protect, it is allowable as a Christian?

You realize for some the only reason for their weapon is to hunt and protect family?

Whereas possession of sword is transgression, having knife, though it can used for killing, is permissible when it is used in the kitchen. Therefore, use of arms to protect yourself and family is not recommended.

 

[mikedsjr]

Whereas possession of sword is transgression, having knife, though it can used for killing, is permissible when it is used in the kitchen. Therefore, use of arms to protect yourself and family is not recommended.

The Bible doesn't teach your stance. The transgression of Peter with the sword was an attack, not defense.

Thanks for your time, but I think I'm done. This is going nowhere except you calling people nonchristians for owning guns.

 

[Righttruth]

The Bible doesn't teach your stance. The transgression of Peter with the sword was an attack, not defense.

Thanks for your time, but I think I'm done. This is going nowhere except you calling people nonchristians for owning guns.

Yes, Peter attacked to defend the arrest of Jesus. That was not approved by Jesus. Yes, a believer in Christ will depend on God to sustain and protect him, not own weapons.

 

[Bluelion]

Yes, Peter attacked to defend the arrest of Jesus. That was not approved by Jesus. Yes, a believer in Christ will depend on God to sustain and protect him, not own weapons.

The attack was out of anger, was it Peter that did that? If it was defense why did Jesus say if my Kingdom was of this world they would have fought to prevent their king from capture. wait wait did you get that. "they would have fought to prevent my capture" Jesus said it Him self Angels would have fought to protect Him. Love always protect 1 cor 13.

What you are preaching is not what God is saying, there is a time and place for everything, a time to lay down your life and a time to fight to protect your loved ones from harm.

 

[Righttruth]

The attack was out of anger, was it Peter that did that? If it was defense why did Jesus say if my Kingdom was of this world they would have fought to prevent their king from capture. wait wait did you get that. "they would have fought to prevent my capture" Jesus said it Him self Angels would have fought to protect Him.

Yes, it was impulsive Peter. Remember Jesus called him Satan for his love and concern of the life of the Master? That is why Jesus said that those who take up swords will die from them.

Love always protect 1 cor 13.

That is not possible with swords!

What you are preaching is not what God is saying, there is a time and place for everything, a time to lay down your life and a time to fight to protect your loved ones from harm.

That is OT expectations. In your weakness for the world, if you did, you need to seek His forgiveness.

 

[classicalhero]

Jesus call demanded leaving everything and follow Him. Weapons were not exempted.

Luke 22:36 In this verse Jesus tells his disciples that they can buy a sword.

 

[Bluelion]

Yes, it was impulsive Peter. Remember Jesus called him Satan for his love and concern of the life of the Master? That is why Jesus said that those who take up swords will die from them.



That is not possible with swords!



That is OT expectations. In your weakness for the world, if you did, you need to seek His forgiveness.

You are very mistaken Jesus did not rebuke Peter"for his love" as you put it, it was not love at all Jesus said why satan was speaking through peter, Jesus rebuked satan not Peter at all.

 

[Viren]

Luke 22:36 In this verse Jesus tells his disciples that they can buy a sword.

And in Luke 22:37 Jesus tells them the reason they must do it is so the scripture "he will be reckoned with transgressors" will be fulfilled.

 

[Righttruth]

Luke 22:36 In this verse Jesus tells his disciples that they can buy a sword.

In order that the Scripture may be fulfilled in being counted among transgressors.