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The ten commandments Old covenant, and the law "done away" and "abolished" as paul said

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So you are maintain that when God says "you should have no other god before me" that He is showing me that I can not serve Him alone. So He has removed that law that we will have hope. Is this your position?
How is a man righteous? Is it because he has faith only?

"21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. 22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. "(Galatians 3:.21.22)

" 19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. 21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. 29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. "

Notice the by faith part.

And

We are save by grace through faith Ephesians 2:8

"4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. 5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?"(1 John 5:4,5)
 
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Jesus couldn't be this high priest or any other under the law. The verse remains the law is changed, in this case done away with. This means the argument presented from Mat 5 fails.

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You mean: the false argument presented.:oldthumbsup: You are correct to note that if a priest come from Judah then the law changed.
 
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You mean: the false argument presented.:oldthumbsup: You are correct to note that if a priest come from Judah then the law changed.

"8 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. 19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God....12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. "(Hebrews 7:8,9,12)
 
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You mean: the false argument presented.:oldthumbsup: You are correct to note that if a priest come from Judah then the law changed.


" 30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. 31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone"(Romans 9:30-32)
 
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Here's what you don't understand:
If you break the Ten Commandments, outright offend them all, are you righteous?

The answer is NO. So why are trying to deny the inevitable? They are God's Eternal Moral Law, stop trying to change that.
Clue: What we need to understand is the word of God. Did Christ come to call the righteous or the unrighteous and sinner? If Christ died for sinners then the law loses it's power to condemn the forgiven.
 
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" 30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. 31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone"(Romans 9:30-32)
Amen
 
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How is a man righteous? Is it because he has faith only?

" 30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. 31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone"

And

Ephesians 3:17 >>
That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, "

So God dwells on believers making them perfect unto every good work .God works in believers to will and to do this only happens by faith by faith we enter into the grace
 
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Clue: What we need to understand is the word of God. Did Christ come to call the righteous or the unrighteous and sinner? If Christ died for sinners then the law loses it's power to condemn the forgiven.

Paul doesn't believe what you believe. Paul says the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom and the list he mentioned included a good majority of what the Ten Commandments speak of! Thieves, the sexually immoral, and so on.

The Ten Commandments are the eternal moral pillars.
Those who argue like you and others on here just have a ridiculously flawed perception of the entire matter. The wicked will be judged, what does that mean to you? It is not just a matter of if one believed or not, there is no need for a divine judge in that.

No, the wicked will perish along with the wicked, regardless of what their worldview was. Sorry to drop reality on you, Christianity is not something you simply freeload on :doh:
 
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You misunders


You misunderstand all bievers have the law of the Spirit office in Christ Jesus that makes them free from the law of sin and death , go find out the difference of the two laws and how they are applied to men.

Also the law is not saying if you do this then you will be righteous . It is showing that men cannot walk in the love of of God in their present state and that they are not able to fulfill the law in their own righteousness, it exposes sin and brings them to the need of Gods righteousness . Then when they come to God by faith God dwells in them and makes them perfect unto every good work . God directly in believers not them following an outward tables of stone or trying to . The ministration of death and condemnation in tables of stone kills them it doesn't give life . And as Psul said the law is not made for a righteous man but for sinners

Still some wrongly desire to be teachers of the law and the veil is in the heart when reading the OT as Paul said in 2 Cor 3
Truth.....
That's what Paul writes.:oldthumbsup:
 
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1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? 4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. 5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. 7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. "(Galatians 3)

The law is not of faith

And Paul speaks of the curse of the law
 
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What Crib said previously said:
Clue: What we need to understand is the word of God. Did Christ come to call the righteous or the unrighteous and sinner? If Christ died for sinners then the law loses it's power to condemn the forgiven.
Paul doesn't believe what you believe. Paul says the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom and the list he mentioned included a good majority of what the Ten Commandments speak of! Thieves, the sexually immoral, and so on.

The Ten Commandments are the eternal moral pillars.
Those who argue like you and others on here just have a ridiculously flawed perception of the entire matter. The wicked will be judged, what does that mean to you? It is not just a matter of if one believed or not, there is no need for a divine judge in that.

No, the wicked will perish along with the wicked, regardless of what their worldview was. Sorry to drop reality on you, Christianity is not something to freeload on :doh:
You're saying that Paul does not believe that Jesus said:
Luk 5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Tell us why Paul taught that Jesus died for sinners (the ungodly)?
Rom 5:6For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

Tell us why Paul taught that those in Christ are not condemned by the law?
Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Try responding directly rather than making new claims.
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Corinthians 6:9
Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

#1, you've been decieved
#2, by extension, you fail to correctly comprehend those verses
 
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Corinthians 6:9
Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

#1, you've been decieved
#2, by extension, you fail to correctly comprehend those verses
Dont get it twisted. My words and scripture was: Christ came to call sinners. I never gave to idea that sinning is OK.
What Paul is teaching is; (1Cor6:9) Don't be fooled, the person who continues in a sinful lifestyle will not inherit the kingdom.
1Co 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

When Paul taught that all have sinned and come short of GOD'S GLORY.

He explained that Adam passed sin down, and not the law. (Adam-Moses)
Rom 5:12 ¶Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.


Some try to erase the true doctrine of sin with a falsely understanding taken from a partial quote in 1John3:4. (sin is transgression of the law)
 
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God loves His laws just as the earthly king loves his rules. They protect God's children from law breakers, it's penalties acting as deterrents to those who would harm them when they are unrestrained and acting in unlawful ways. However, when a rule actually harms those it is supposed to protect, such as when orderly traffic and red lights comes in the way of a precious citizen of the king from reading the hospital in time, the king sends outriders to force the traffic to pull over, suspends the lights and makes straight the path for the ambulance to reach its destination in a life saving manner. Similarly, when the Jews stopped Christ from healing on the Sabbath, He showed them their hypocrisy, since they rescued their cattle that had fallen into pits on the Sabbath and ruled it was right to save lives on the Sabbath. Even in orthodox quarters of modern Jerusalem, ambulances are allows to operate and doctors to work. Jesus even used the precedent of David saving the lives of his men by letting them eat the shew bread.


Telling people to observe Sabbath is to tell them that God has not made available their rest from their own efforts to be saved, through works of the law, the rest available by hearing with faith.



Galatians 3:1O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? 4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. 5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?



By doing this, people who insist on law observance are keeping the unsaved in the dark. Christ called it the blind trying to lead the blind.
 
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Christianity is not 'lawless'. Jesus didn't sit there and speak myriads on sin and obedience just so all you have to do is say you believe and you're guaranteed salvation. Hell is not just for the unbeliever.

Paul straight up says the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom. Do you know what I see? I see people trying to pin scripture against scripture to make it say what they want it to say.
 
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Corinthians 6:9
Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

#1, you've been decieved
#2, by extension, you fail to correctly comprehend those verses


Yes this is true and if a person is in such sins they are decieved and have not walked in the spirit in such things. Believers can use the law "lawfully" as paul said to convict of sin 1 Timothy 1. But Paul also speaks of the law ending and says the end of the law is charity. He also says that the law is NOT made for a righteous man. But for the sinners etc. So when a sinner is convicted of his sin by the law or by the light of Christ that reproves all sin John 3. Which is what the outward law witnesses to. Then they will be expose in sin. That does not save them. The salvation comes as they repent and believe the gospel. Faith not works

So it is true that a believer should not walk in the flesh or else they will die as Paul said. But if they through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body they shall live. This can only be done in faith as Christ dwells in our heart. Then God will make us perfect unto every good work. So again it is all in faith .
 
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Paul says - LAW defines sin in Romans 3 and in Romans 4 (no law - no sin) and in Romans 7 (would not know what sin is without LAW defining it for us).

Paul says "we ESTABLISH the Law of God" by our faith - Rom 3:31.

Paul says of the saints "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1Cor 7:19

The 1 Cor 6 statement is about "sin" - sin that is defined by the LAW - not an abolished LAW but a "still defining sin" law that in Gal 3 and Romans 3 holds "all the world accountable" still to this very day.

For Paul the NEW Covenant "writes the LAW of God on the mind and heart" Heb 8 -- instead of abolishing that Law.

As John said in 1John 3:4 "SIN IS the transgression of the Law"
 
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By doing this, people who insist on law observance are keeping the unsaved in the dark. Christ called it the blind trying to lead the blind.

Christ's teaching on the LAW and salvation is clear in Mark 7:6-13 pointing out that setting aside the commandment of God - is not the great wonderful thing that some have imagined it to be.
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Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.


That is a case of Christ demonstrating the way that the magisterium is hammered "sola scriptura" in the cases where it's traditions and "doctrines of men" are at odds with scripture.

The elders consisting of scribes and pharise es are in fact the "magisterium" even Paul admits to this. And Jesus shows how they claim to "sit in the chair of Moses" as church magisterium .


Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to his disciples, saying, The scribes and the Pharisees have taken their seat on the chair of Moses. Therefore, do and observe all things whatsoever they tell you, but do not follow their example. For they preach but they do not practice. (Matthew 23:1-3)

Matt 19
And someone came to Him and said, Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?17 And He said to him, Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.18 Then he *said to Him, Which ones?And Jesus said,
You shall not commit murder;
You shall not commit adultery;
You shall not steal;
You shall not bear false witness;
19 Honor your father and mother;
and
You shall love your neighbor as yourself
.

Matt 5
17 Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


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1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? 4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. 5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. 7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. "(Galatians 3)

The law is not of faith

And Paul speaks of the curse of the law
Oh! Oh! I can play this game *raises hand*
"Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also." (James 2)

See? Abraham was justified by his works. And we're justified by our works. Says so right there.

Now can we drop the childish reasoning and consider scripture as a whole?

What is Paul addressing in Galatians 3? Let's look at the context:

The situation:
There is a circle of Jews going around telling gentiles they must be circumcised if they are going to be saved. This is made clear by the discussion in Galatians 2 (directly preceding Galatians 3) concerning the "circumcision party" and talking about the gentiles who were with Paul formerly and were not required to be circumcised. Many of Paul's epistles are written to contend with this "requirement." This "circumcision party" was evidently present in the church of the Galatians.

If you understand this, it clears up the rest of the passage for you...
Circumcision was not just a part of the law, it was the sign of the old covenant (Genesis 17). Just as baptism today is a physical sign of the new covenant under Jesus Christ, circumcision was/is the sign of the covenant under the law. To accept the requirement of circumcision was to place themselves back under the old covenant.
Paul confirms this as he begins to wrap up in chapter 5, saying "If you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you." He then continues to add that anyone who accepts circumcision will be "required to keep the whole law." This includes the levitical requirements, sacrifices, and Jewish civil law given under Moses. So now we are back where we started. Bound by a law that can only lead us to death.
Here is another passage where Paul explicitly talks about the law being good:
"So the law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good.

13 Did that which is good, then, bring death to me? By no means! It was sin, producing death in me through what is good, in order that sin might be shown to be sin, and through the commandment might become sinful beyond measure. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am of the flesh, sold under sin. 15 For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. 16 Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good. 17 So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. 18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.

21 So I find it to be a law that when I want to do right, evil lies close at hand. 22 For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being, 23 but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. 24 Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin."

And later, in Romans 13, he adds:
"Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.9 For the commandments, "You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."

So the reason that love fulfills the law is because all the commandments are summed up in the command "love your neighbor as yourself." And because love does no wrong to another.

So we return to this key concept: The law and the commandment are good. The law tells us what sin is, and if we break the law we are sinning. We are to be obedient children. However, we do not count on the law to save us. We agree with it that it is right, but we understand that only the blood of Jesus has the power to save us. Paul goes to great lengths to teach those who are being persuaded by the doctrine of circumcision these things. But often, as Peter says, people misunderstand and twist those teachings:

"Therefore, beloved, since you are waiting for these, be diligent to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace.15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him,16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability."

Another way to say this is that we obtain righteousness through faith in Jesus Christ and not by keeping the law, but true faith in Jesus will result in obedience and not in lawlessness. So true faith produces fruit - and because we agree with the law in our spirit we will do our best to be obedient, knowing when we fail that our righteousness is not lost through our failing because that rests with Jesus Christ and not with keeping the law.
 
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"Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also." (James 2)

See? Abraham was justified by his works. And we're justified by our works. Says so right there.

Now can we drop the childish reasoning and consider scripture as a whole?

What is Paul addressing in Galatians 3? Let's look at the context:

The situation:
There is a circle of Jews going around telling gentiles they must be circumcised if they are going to be saved. This is made clear by the discussion in Galatians 2 (directly preceding Galatians 3) concerning the "circumcision party" and talking about the gentiles who were with Paul formerly and were not required to be circumcised. Many of Paul's epistles are written to contend with this "requirement." This "circumcision party" was evidently present in the church of the Galatians.

If you understand this, it clears up the rest of the passage for you...
Circumcision was not just a part of the law, it was the sign of the old covenant (Genesis 17). Just as baptism today is a physical sign of the new covenant under Jesus Christ, circumcision was/is the sign of the covenant under the law. To accept the requirement of circumcision was to place themselves back under the old covenant.
Paul confirms this as he begins to wrap up in chapter 5, saying "If you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you." He then continues to add that anyone who accepts circumcision will be "required to keep the whole law." This includes the levitical requirements, sacrifices, and Jewish civil law given under Moses. So now we are back where we started. Bound by a law that can only lead us to death.
Here is another passage where Paul explicitly talks about the law being good:
"So the law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good.

13 Did that which is good, then, bring death to me? By no means! It was sin, producing death in me through what is good, in order that sin might be shown to be sin, and through the commandment might become sinful beyond measure. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am of the flesh, sold under sin. 15 For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. 16 Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good. 17 So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. 18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.

21 So I find it to be a law that when I want to do right, evil lies close at hand. 22 For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being, 23 but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. 24 Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin."

And later, in Romans 13, he adds:
"Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.9 For the commandments, "You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."

So the reason that love fulfills the law is because all the commandments are summed up in the command "love your neighbor as yourself." And because love does no wrong to another.

So we return to this key concept: The law and the commandment are good. The law tells us what sin is, and if we break the law we are sinning. We are to be obedient children. However, we do not count on the law to save us. We agree with it that it is right, but we understand that only the blood of Jesus has the power to save us. Paul goes to great lengths to teach those who are being persuaded by the doctrine of circumcision these things. But often, as Peter says, people misunderstand and twist those teachings:

"Therefore, beloved, since you are waiting for these, be diligent to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace.15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him,16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability."

Another way to say this is that we obtain righteousness through faith in Jesus Christ and not by keeping the law, but true faith in Jesus will result in obedience and not in lawlessness. So true faith produces fruit - and because we agree with the law in our spirit we will do our best to be obedient, knowing when we fail that our righteousness is not lost through our failing because that rests with Jesus Christ and not with keeping the law.


Sorry you are partly right but you still need study. I believe I addressed how a man hasGid working IN him and this is the works we do in faith as the body without the spirit is dead so s professing burger without Gods Spirit working in him is dead to .

I am not sure why you tried to quote James. And Moses law and commandments are different than Jesus . Jesus would say did not Moses give you this or that but I say unto you. Or Jesus would say " anew commandment I give unto you"

Yes true believers can use the law to convict if sin but the law is not made for a righteous man. Are you righteous? If so the law is not made for you you are free from the law, dead to the law, not under the law the law is not of faith and you are delivered from the law. The law was a ministration of condemnation and death the law written on stones is done away and abolished


Let all who read consider very closely 2 Corinthians 4 and the entire book of Galatians Romans Hebrews and 1 Timothy particularly.
 
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