Who are the GREEDY?

[ChristJudgeOfAll]

Cheap/free healthcare does not mean that doctors aren't paid. Not really sure where you'd get that idea.

Yes, everyone is entitled to healthcare, even though the country I live in doesn't exactly agree (not all of it anyways). Everyone is also entitled to food, water, public transportation, public information, access to education, and shelter.

Just existing means you are entitled to all of these things. All humans are entitled to all of these things and deserve them.

Being entitled to those things means, someone MUST do those things. Education, food, water, transportation, and public information don't fall out of the sky. If you have a God given right to be educated, then someone MUST provide education. And if no one wants to provide it, then we would have to force people. Entitlement also means FREE. You are entitled to a free education, if you are entitled to a free things, who is the person that MUST provide them for free?

Someone pays for those services, who pays? That person is entitled to pay for you?

Essentially what you are advocating is that someone must do more to make up for those that do less. Sounds like slavery.

No one is entitled to the labor of another. Education, food, water, and everything else mentioned comes from the labor of other people. If you are entitled to someone's labor, then that person is your slave.

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

Cheap/free healthcare does not mean that doctors aren't paid. Not really sure where you'd get that idea.

Yes, everyone is entitled to healthcare, even though the country I live in doesn't exactly agree (not all of it anyways). Everyone is also entitled to food, water, public transportation, public information, access to education, and shelter.

Just existing means you are entitled to all of these things. All humans are entitled to all of these things and deserve them.

Historically healthcare has been viewed as a commodity, not a necessity, in america. If people can't accept this reality then move, because the ACA is making and pushing too much money around for it to change ot lower in price anytime soon.
Ok This is the sad reality of america, you can agree with it or not, but if a lot of money is being made, nothing will change, regardless of how bad it is. The only way things get fixed in america if more money can be made changing it. This is how our country works, and this is always how our country will work.

 

[KitKatMatt]

"This is how our country works", then we should force it to stop working this way!

You don't fix bad systems by saying "Well, it's always been this way...". You fix bad systems by tearing them apart and building from the ground up.

Higher taxes is one way other countries are handling the issue of how to pay for healthcare and infrastructure. I work, and I'd gladly pay more taxes so that people can get medical care, food, water, shelter, transportation, information, and education!

To deny just one person any of these things is a disgrace.

 

[KimT]

I think the greedy are those who put money or material before God. I think it comes in many forms: hoarding money, not giving to the needy, worrying about not having enough money when you have enough. Just my opinion.

 

[ChristJudgeOfAll]

I think the greedy are those who put money or material before God. I think it comes in many forms: hoarding money, not giving to the needy, worrying about not having enough money when you have enough. Just my opinion.

I think the greedy are those who are lazy and put fun before God. I think the greedy are those who didn't graduate high school and has to rely on the handwork of others. I think the greedy are those who sleep 8 hours a day instead of 2.5 hours like I sleep so I can get my business off the ground, and then want to increase my taxes so I can pay for their needs.

There are also a lot of hardworking poor people, they aren't greedy. But to the lazy ones, greediest people on Earth.

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

"This is how our country works", then we should force it to stop working this way!

You don't fix bad systems by saying "Well, it's always been this way...". You fix bad systems by tearing them apart and building from the ground up.

Higher taxes is one way other countries are handling the issue of how to pay for healthcare and infrastructure. I work, and I'd gladly pay more taxes so that people can get medical care, food, water, shelter, transportation, information, and education!

To deny just one person any of these things is a disgrace.

I am merely expressing the improbability of the task. Will it change? I don't think it will in our lifetime.

 

[KimT]

I'm sorry you have to work so hard to get your business off the ground. I'm a CPA and college professor so I understand hard work. Some people don't graduate high school because of circumstances out of their control. I don't mind paying higher taxes to help those who have less. Yes, there is abuse in our system but I think loving one another means withholding judgment.

 

[Belk]

Being entitled to those things means, someone MUST do those things. Education, food, water, transportation, and public information don't fall out of the sky. If you have a God given right to be educated, then someone MUST provide education. And if no one wants to provide it, then we would have to force people. Entitlement also means FREE. You are entitled to a free education, if you are entitled to a free things, who is the person that MUST provide them for free?

Someone pays for those services, who pays? That person is entitled to pay for you?

Essentially what you are advocating is that someone must do more to make up for those that do less. Sounds like slavery.

No one is entitled to the labor of another. Education, food, water, and everything else mentioned comes from the labor of other people. If you are entitled to someone's labor, then that person is your slave.

Which is why NO ONE wants to be a lawyer. Since people are entitled to representation Lawyers are nothing but slaves!

 

[morningstar2651]

They need to figure out how to lower medical school costs. maybe doctors wouldn't charge so much if they weren't paying off 10-15+ years of school debt.

I wish I had only 10-15 years worth of school debt. My undergraduate alone put me nearly $100,000 in debt with a couple of high interest loans.

Bernie has a pretty radical solution he's proposing for the problem, and it's honestly the best solution I've heard to the problem so far.

 

[morningstar2651]

Cause that's what slavery is

No, that's not what slavery is and nobody here is advocating for doctors to not get paid for the work they do.

 

[morningstar2651]

How dare this pictured "Day Laborer" expect to be paid when I give him opportunity to work on my beautiful and meaningful project?!?!?!?

Does anyone see this attitude as more than just GREED, but actually a type of Forced SLAVERY?

Nobody thinks doctors shouldn't be paid. That's a straw man. You can beat it up all you want - nobody disagrees with you on that.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Being entitled to those things means, someone MUST do those things. Education, food, water, transportation, and public information don't fall out of the sky. If you have a God given right to be educated, then someone MUST provide education. And if no one wants to provide it, then we would have to force people. Entitlement also means FREE. You are entitled to a free education, if you are entitled to a free things, who is the person that MUST provide them for free?

Someone pays for those services, who pays? That person is entitled to pay for you?

Essentially what you are advocating is that someone must do more to make up for those that do less. Sounds like slavery.

No one is entitled to the labor of another. Education, food, water, and everything else mentioned comes from the labor of other people. If you are entitled to someone's labor, then that person is your slave.

Do you seriously not understand what taxes do? Do you not understand that these things and more can be paid for by the government as a service to its citizenry. Yes, the people eventually do pay for it through their taxes but if we just increase taxes a bit and reduce our ridiculously oversized military by a lot, given our + 120 million taxpayers, I'm sure we can work something out.

Living in the richest country on earth has to mean something more than just spending it on bombs to drop on poor countries.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

I think the greedy are those who are lazy and put fun before God. I think the greedy are those who didn't graduate high school and has to rely on the handwork of others. I think the greedy are those who sleep 8 hours a day instead of 2.5 hours like I sleep so I can get my business off the ground, and then want to increase my taxes so I can pay for their needs.

There are also a lot of hardworking poor people, they aren't greedy. But to the lazy ones, greediest people on Earth.

I tend to regard the greediest people as the ones who have a lot already and still want more. You know... greedy people. What you are thinking of is poor people. Poor people don't generally have a lot to begin with and usually only want enough to catch up to the rest of society.

I try not to regard these people as greedy. They are disadvantaged and to insult them like that is IMO, only making their hard lives worse.

 

[Jan Volkes]

They need to figure out how to lower medical school costs. maybe doctors wouldn't charge so much if they weren't paying off 10-15+ years of school debt.

Welcome to the rest of the world, other countries do not have tuition fees for doctors the country pays the fees and everyone benefits, we all know the US is a young country but that shouldn't allow them to be childish all the time.

If you don't know how to do something why not ask someone who has already done it, in this case everyone else has done it.
The US is last again along with Angola, Liberia and Ethiopia and a few other spear throwing nations.

The epitome of greed is Republican politicians, everyone of them are in it for what they can get out of it.

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

Welcome to the rest of the world, other countries do not have tuition fees for doctors the country pays the fees and everyone benefits, we all know the US is a young country but that shouldn't allow them to be childish all the time.

If you don't know how to do something why not ask someone who has already done it, in this case everyone else has done it.
The US is last again along with Angola, Liberia and Ethiopia and a few other spear throwing nations.

The epitome of greed is Republican politicians, everyone of them are in it for what they can get out of it.

Well you see, doctors used to be relatively cheap. Medical care used to be cheap. A room a day in the hospital was around $75 a day in america in the 1970s. Now? It is well over the thousands. Ironically, the thing that people need to pay for it started it all: Health insurance. Who created health insurance? It wasn't all private at first. The U.S. government created it for their federal employees, when doctors saw they could charge more without any repercussions[ ie the people seeing them raising a stink about their services being more expensive], they did. So with doctors making so much money, why not charge more for school? They can easily afford it since they charge so much to begin with. It created a cycle.

 

[Avid]

... even though the country I live in doesn't exactly agree (not all of it anyways)...

I am confused. Is the US your country? Are you living here as a resident or a citizen? Are you living somewhere else?

"This is how our country works", then we should force it to stop working this way!

Are you aware that there are no working examples of socialism? It always fails. We have moved (as a nation in the US) dangerously close to this type of thing, and it is NOT working for us either. Also, who is it that should force the US to scrap this system?

BTW, there is greed everywhere. The poor are greedy as well. I think I have had as many "poor" people try to cheat me as those who truly qualify as rich.

10 Planks of the Communist Manifesto

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
Americans know this as misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State "income" taxes. We call it "paying your fair share". ​

We are too close to this already...

... Just existing means you are entitled to all of these things. All humans are entitled to all of these things and deserve them.

I would like to know your basis for this statement.

 

[Belk]

I am confused. Is the US your country? Are you living here as a resident or a citizen? Are you living somewhere else?

Are you aware that there are no working examples of socialism? It always fails. We have moved (as a nation in the US) dangerously close to this type of thing, and it is NOT working for us either. Also, who is it that should force the US to scrap this system?

No, I am not aware of that. Social security seems to be working. Public roads seem to be working. Are you trying to claim these are not examples of socialism? Or are you claiming that there are no governments that are entirely socialistic? The two are not the same and equating them seem disingenuous since we have many examples of successful hybrid systems such as we have in the US.

BTW, there is greed everywhere. The poor are greedy as well. I think I have had as many "poor" people try to cheat me as those who truly qualify as rich.


I would like to know your basis for this statement.

Then I guess the question posed in the OP is rather meaningless since the answer, apparently, is "Everyone".

 

[whatbogsends]

I have never understood why it is "greed" to want to keep the money you have earned, but not greed to want to take somebody else's money.
Dr. Thomas Sowell

I have never understood why it is "greed" to want a fair wage for one's labor, but not greed to exploit the worker to increase one's personal wealth.

Truth be told, there are greedy poor people and greedy wealthy people. There are generous poor people and generous wealthy people. Neither group is homogeneous.

 

[NightHawkeye]

I have never understood why it is "greed" to want a fair wage for one's labor, but not greed to exploit the worker to increase one's personal wealth.

I believe most would say both are greed.

Truth be told, there are greedy poor people and greedy wealthy people. There are generous poor people and generous wealthy people. Neither group is homogeneous.

Personally, I'm inclined to believe there are fewer greedy people with money simply because holding on to money requires discipline and thinking. Most business people in our civilized western society realize that oppressing their workers is a path to disaster. Many of the wealthy also establish foundations to redistribute their wealth as well. That said ... I do think most could go a lot further in regards to being charitable.

 

[KitKatMatt]

I am confused. Is the US your country? Are you living here as a resident or a citizen? Are you living somewhere else?

Are you aware that there are no working examples of socialism? It always fails. We have moved (as a nation in the US) dangerously close to this type of thing, and it is NOT working for us either. Also, who is it that should force the US to scrap this system?

BTW, there is greed everywhere. The poor are greedy as well. I think I have had as many "poor" people try to cheat me as those who truly qualify as rich.

10 Planks of the Communist Manifesto

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
Americans know this as misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State "income" taxes. We call it "paying your fair share". ​

We are too close to this already...


I would like to know your basis for this statement.

I live in the US, I am a citizen. A lot of people here are against things like socialized medicine, even though the alternative is complete bunk that continues to put people in harm.

I was asleep and Belk got to you on the second part before I did an explained it very well, so I'll leave it alone

Lol, how dare those poor think they deserve anything! They should have thought of that before they chose to be born in a lower socioeconomic level! It's not like they are human beings and deserve to have access to necessities.

Oh nooooo, communism! Well this post just fell right apart, didn't it? Scary.

I don't really know how I could explain to you that every person deserves to be given necessities. I guess the only way to do so would be to ask you: Are you OK with refusing people healthcare, food, water, shelter, and other basic necessities just because they don't make enough money?