Who are the GREEDY?

[Avid]

... Are you OK with refusing people healthcare, food, water, shelter, and other basic necessities just because they don't make enough money?

Who is refused healthcare? The ER cannot turn away people who need help simply because they do not pay. That is a BIG part of what causes healthcare costs to go up. Also, the biggest is the GREEDY lawyers suing on behalf of the GREEDY injured. It is known that most of the doctors who are sued for malpractice are the same ones over and over. This creates a culture of sue-happy people, and they are willing to sue over the smallest things. That eclipses the REAL problems that that system is meant to correct!

The cost of Health Insurance is a different issue altogether, but is lumped in with this too often. The Government has a lot more to do with that cost going up, and it just took a big jump upward. We now have this costing more and providing less than it did before!

 

[GoldenBoy89]

I would like to know your basis for this statement.

You pay taxes correct? How do you feel knowing that your tax dollars are being used to bomb poor countries and to send our young men and women to their deaths? Do you think those tax dollars could be better spent right here at home instead of on war torn countries that will probably never stop fighting?

You see... I do think we could put our tax dollars to work for us instead of watching them burn away in the deserts of the Middle East. I do believe that we can provide adequate healthcare to every citizen, regardless of their income or employment. I do believe that spending more so we can send every American to college would be a good investment in our future. I do believe that we can afford this through better taxation and reducing costs in the government.

But then again... I'm just a stoopid librul.

 

[NightHawkeye]

But then again... I'm just a stoopid librul.

Don't feel that way, GoldenBoy.

Going with truth, regardless of where it leads, fixes the problem Reagan referred to.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Being entitled to those things means, someone MUST do those things. Education, food, water, transportation, and public information don't fall out of the sky. If you have a God given right to be educated, then someone MUST provide education.

Not someone. Everyone. The costs would be spread across all taxpayers. There would not be just one person paying for everybody's education and I don't think I can take you very seriously if that's how you think it would work.

And if no one wants to provide it, then we would have to force people.

What kind of educator doesn't want to educate? What kind of doctor doesn't want to heal people? Why would they have become teachers or professors if they don't want to educate people? Nobody would be forced to do anything. If you don't want to be a teacher then, we don't need your services as a teacher. Get another job if you don't like teaching.

Entitlement also means FREE.

Not exactly. Social services are paid for by the taxpayer. It's free when you use it but it's not actually free. The government collects our taxes (like it does now) and uses that money to educate people. To provide healthcare for people, instead of just using it to bomb poor countries into oblivion.

You are entitled to a free education, if you are entitled to a free things, who is the person that MUST provide them for free?

The government. Again, free is a misrepresentation of what is actually going on. I'm really surprised that I have to explain how taxes work to someone, I'm assuming is older than I am. Just one more reason we should be investing in public education.

Someone pays for those services, who pays?

We do. Just like we have no problem paying to send our men and women to their deaths in foreign countries. Or paying to send a tiny probe to the edge of the solar system. That money can be better spent on public programs that aim to bring everyone out of poverty in America. Services that aim to improve our lazy, unhealthy, overworked and underpaid and ignorant society.

That person is entitled to pay for you?

Again, you show no signs that you understand taxation and how it works. You seem to think there is one person who would end up paying for everybody's education and healthcare.

Essentially what you are advocating is that someone must do more to make up for those that do less. Sounds like slavery.

Well, it isn't slavery. You should probably look up the definition of words before you use them.

 

[Avid]

... Just existing means you are entitled to all of these things. All humans are entitled to all of these things and deserve them.

... I would like to know your basis for this statement.

You pay taxes correct?

Just trying to get an answer from KitKat on that. We are getting a lot of opinion from overseas, and from here. I was trying to determine where it comes from, and why we are getting these points. If everyone has a right to healthcare, then there must be a basis for that statement.

 

[Belk]

Who is refused healthcare? The ER cannot turn away people who need help simply because they do not pay. That is a BIG part of what causes healthcare costs to go up. Also, the biggest is the GREEDY lawyers suing on behalf of the GREEDY injured. It is know that most of the doctors who are sued for malpractice are the same ones over and over. This created a culture of sue-happy people, and they are willing to sue over the smallest things. That eclipses the REAL problems that that system is meant to correct!

The cost of Health Insurance is a different issue altogether, but is lumped in with this too often. The Government has a lot more to do with that cost going up, and it just took a big jump upward. We now have this costing more and providing less than it did before!

That is not healthcare. That is, as the name implies, emergency care. And yes the fact that so many are forced to use the extremely expensive and over worked emergency care instead of health care is a big part of why healthcare is so expensive. Perhaps we should do something to change the system in order to control costs along with helping people stay healthy instead of forcing them to wait until they are really sick?

 

[KitKatMatt]

Who is refused healthcare? The ER cannot turn away people who need help simply because they do not pay.

The ER is for emergencies. To prevent many emergency medical needs, people need access to preventative care.

By the time they go to the ER, many people have been letting a disease damage them for a long time because others believe that if they don't have enough money to go to the doctor for care earlier on, then they don't deserve to go to the doctor.

I'm watching this happen to some of my friends right now in real time.

 

[KitKatMatt]

If everyone has a right to healthcare, then there must be a basis for that statement.

The basis is: no one should be forced to suffer with illness or disease just because they don't have money to pay for medical care.

That's it. That's the basis.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

If everyone has a right to healthcare, then there must be a basis for that statement.

Because they are human beings and humans don't last very long without adequate healthcare. It is a necessity. If we can, we should try to provide it for our citizens, free of cost or at a much lower rate than what people are currently paying for their healthcare.

The same way we believe it is a basic human right to be able to own a firearm or to worship the religion of their choice. The same way we feel it is a natural right to a fair trial by peers and that innocence must be assumed until proven guilty. The same way we feel that it is a human right to be allowed to marry the spouse of your choice, despite what some religions may say on the matter.

 

[Loudmouth]

Who provides healthcare? If doctors made less money, we'd have a lot less doctors. It's a service, are you entitled to someone else's service? Cause that's what slavery is.

Go talk to a doctor who works in a country with government run universal health care. Ask them if they feel like a slave.

 

[Paradoxum]

The problem is the system. In the UK doctors can be paid well, and patients don't have to pay anything directly. All people pay (though taxes) for a healthy, productive, and fair society.

 

[seashale76]

Nobody is forcing somebody to go to a doctor that charges $200/hr either. I believe free health care clinics still exist, or am I wrong? If I am I stand corrected.

I think people are making dichotomies where none should exist here (not talking about you).

I happen to know a lot of doctors. They spend a lot of time paying back school loans, paying malpractice insurance, and then have to charge a certain amount for procedures due to insurance company issues. Most truly do want to help their patients and don't qualify as greedy. There are still free clinics out there, it's true. However, most people that need them don't know where they're located, and free clinics don't treat everything.

I look at healthcare as a human right and not something that means a person is greedy if they can't afford it, even if that person is dirt poor from their own bad life choices.

 

[Avid]

The basis is: no one should be forced to suffer with illness or disease just because they don't have money to pay for medical care.

That's it. That's the basis.

That is not a basis - it is a conclusion. There has to be a basis. An example of what I mean is that many or most of the things of this nature that I believe are because of something stated in the US Constitution. I would point out a passage, phrase, article, amendment, etc., that shows that. I may have other good authoritative things I would mention. Where do you find a basis for what you have said?

 

[Avid]

... The same way we believe it is a basic human right to be able to own a firearm or to worship the religion of their choice...

These things are enumerated in the US Constitution. Can you show anything like that that backs your position? I have done a lot of design work over the years. I have designed houses, and other things (things in the engineering field, etc.) Do you think I should be forced to design a house for you, because you think you have the right to a house?

If you can get the gov. to make me do that, it is comparable to forcing doctors to do something in particular for someone in particular because they have a particular right to it! You have the right to be healthy, but not the right to take something from someone else so you might get healthy!

If we go on what your post has shown, I have the right to keep and bear a firearm, so I should just keep and bear one of yours! OK?

 

[Crowns&Laurels]

If the Left and Right parties would stop acting like children, we might actually be able to get somewhere.

Higher minimum wage means more money to the lower class and and less money towards welfare. You see, that last part is not spoken upon period, conservatives just act like it's just throwing away money because apparently, according them do not deserve it.

..And yet, this is what minimum wage was intended to tackle in the first place- to guarantee a degree of livelihood to those who worked in general.

But then on the flip side, the liberal fix is to dig into everyone's pockets and leave the economy to the birds.
We will never fix a single thing so long as the parties bicker over two opposing sides which are essentially lost.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

A person can be greedy at all income levels.

As far as the doctor example...they can earn upwards of $250k/year if all the stars align correctly and they end up as a specialist or have a private practice with a large patient base.

However, it doesn't start off that way for them.

They have to go through a period of residency in which they're making $40,000/year for 3-5 years...at which point they're trying to pay off that $180,000 of student loan debt. Even with a good interest rate, they're still trying to pay $1600/month on a $40k salary...not exactly a situation I'd ever want to be in.

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

I think people are making dichotomies where none should exist here (not talking about you).

I happen to know a lot of doctors. They spend a lot of time paying back school loans, paying malpractice insurance, and then have to charge a certain amount for procedures due to insurance company issues. Most truly do want to help their patients and don't qualify as greedy. There are still free clinics out there, it's true. However, most people that need them don't know where they're located, and free clinics don't treat everything.

I look at health care as a human right and not something that means a person is greedy if they can't afford it, even if that person is dirt poor from their own bad life choices.

I like to view healthcare in the same right, but that does not reflect the reality of how america has historically viewed healthcare. You can see that with some of the responses. I do not know why people view healthcare as a commodity, because getting breast cancer surgery isn't exactly the same thing as buying a pair of boots.

 

[seashale76]

I like to view healthcare in the same right, but that does not reflect the reality of how america has historically viewed healthcare. You can see that with some of the responses. I do not know why people view healthcare as a commodity, because getting breast cancer surgery isn't exactly the same thing as buying a pair of boots.

Isn't that the truth!

 

[Belk]

These things are enumerated in the US Constitution. Can you show anything like that that backs your position? I have done a lot of design work over the years. I have designed houses, and other things (things in the engineering field, etc.) Do you think I should be forced to design a house for you, because you think you have the right to a house?

If you can get the gov. to make me do that, it is comparable to forcing doctors to do something in particular for someone in particular because they have a particular right to it! You have the right to be healthy, but not the right to take something from someone else so with the intent of getting healthy!

If we go on what your post has shown, I have the right to keep and bear a firearm, so I should just keep and bear one of yours! OK?

Where does this idea of forcing people to do things come from? You have heard of government employment yes?

 

[katherine2001]

I think people are making dichotomies where none should exist here (not talking about you).

I happen to know a lot of doctors. They spend a lot of time paying back school loans, paying malpractice insurance, and then have to charge a certain amount for procedures due to insurance company issues. Most truly do want to help their patients and don't qualify as greedy. There are still free clinics out there, it's true. However, most people that need them don't know where they're located, and free clinics don't treat everything.

I look at healthcare as a human right and not something that means a person is greedy if they can't afford it, even if that person is dirt poor from their own bad life choices.

!. Also, if we as Christians believe that human life is sacred, how can we think it is okay to let people die because they can't afford healthcare? I am beginning to think that at least some people (including Christians) only think human life is sacred as long as it doesn't cost us money. It's funny how we believe that babies lives are sacred before they are born but then get angry about programs like CHIP (Children's Health Insurance Program) and other programs that help make sure children get their basic needs met.