Poll of U.S. Muslims Reveals prefers Shariah and violence.

[trunks2k]

The poll was commissioned by a group that clearly has an anti-Muslim bias. That fact makes the "random sampling" claim questionable. Secondly, the responses are contradictory, making the quality of the poll questionable. The definition of "Sharia law" was varied among the respondents, causing an "apples-to-oranges" effect. Any opinion poll requires a grain of salt. This one requires a pillar.

I don't disagree. I was more taking issue with the idea of "it was only 600 muslims, so you can't apply that to all muslims". It demonstrated an ignorance of how statistics work. The format of the questions is a whole different issue entirely. I can immediately come up with an issue with them, which is what you mentioned - what the respondents consider Sharia law may not be what a random non-Muslim considers Sharia law and the exact meaning may vary amongst the respondents themselves. As alluded to in other posts, a lot of Muslims see it as a set of religious laws that can be handled by voluntary, binding arbitration by their religious leaders and wouldn't be violations of US law. A similar system used by certain other religious groups. If you assume that a large percentage of respondents see Sharia as that sort of law, then they may see any laws that would make it illegal to be a violation of their religious liberty (indeed, there have been rulings that have said as much in places that tried to outlaw sharia law). Thus, they may think violence can be necessary and right to defend that liberty.

If you told presented a scenario to Christians in which, lets say, christian based marriage counseling by a pastor is outlawed, I'd bet you'd get a good number of respondents to say they could see a violent response being necessary (as it's an intrusion on their personal religion).

 

[ThatRobGuy]

There have been many surveys along these lines about this topic and have had varying results based on the questions asked. There was the British survey conducted in which ~60% of the British Muslims voted that free speech that insults Islam shouldn't be protected. 11% stated that they're sympathetic toward the fight against western interest. Make of that what you will...

On the topic of Sharia Law, we get a somewhat false picture being painted from both sides of the fence on this one...

The Fox News crowd tries to pitch a story in which there's going to be a scenario in which Islam takes over the courts and trumps US law...this obviously isn't the case, nor are majority of Muslims pushing for something like this.

The Uber-Progressive crowd tries to paint a pretty picture of how Sharia law is just a (harmless) separate form of mediation and decision making on civil matters for Muslims. The truth is not as innocuous as they wish it to be.

While nothing suggest that we have to worry about Sharia law taking over US courts, the fact still remains that Sharia law is used to immiserate groups like women and homosexuals and acts as a mechanism to continue oppression against certain groups within the Muslim community.

if you look at some of the cases of UK Sharia law as it pertains to how divorces are handled, it's easy to see that women almost always get the short end of the stick when a Sharia Family court is handling a case where one party is a man, and the other is a women.

Granted, the people always have the choice to leave their religion and go elsewhere...but since many progressives don't take that stance toward bakeries...not sure why they'd accept the stance for Sharia Courts.

 

[amanuensis63]

Pollsters take a representative sample.It is kind of established science.If your contention is true no polls should be given any importance whatsoever.

Agreed, except that sometimes we don't get to see all the procedures involved in a given sample selection. This poll appears to be from The Center for Security Policy. If you go to the "About us" section and scroll down to look at the right hand column it looks like a single issue organization related mostly to fighting against Islamic "jihad".

http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/about-us/

The tags on this survey are "The Muslim Brotherhood in America", "Understanding the Shariah Threat Doctrine".

I'm not saying NECESSARILY that the poll was improper or proper just that it would be helpful to see the methodologies.

 

[cow451]

Agreed, except that sometimes we don't get to see all the procedures involved in a given sample selection. This poll appears to be from The Center for Security Policy. If you go to the "About us" section and scroll down to look at the right hand column it looks like a single issue organization related mostly to fighting against Islamic "jihad".

http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/about-us/

The tags on this survey are "The Muslim Brotherhood in America", "Understanding the Shariah Threat Doctrine".

I'm not saying NECESSARILY that the poll was improper or proper just that it would be helpful to see the methodologies.

We don't need no stinkin' methodologies!

 

[Rationalt]

In another somewhat related thread a relatively knowledgeable person is leaning towards the view that taliban uses islam to get recruits. It is prevalent and comforting idea among non-muslims to think Islam is not a danger to civilized world.

The centre for security is highlighting a very real threat of Islamic Jihad.

Agreed, except that sometimes we don't get to see all the procedures involved in a given sample selection. This poll appears to be from The Center for Security Policy. If you go to the "About us" section and scroll down to look at the right hand column it looks like a single issue organization related mostly to fighting against Islamic "jihad".

http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/about-us/

The tags on this survey are "The Muslim Brotherhood in America", "Understanding the Shariah Threat Doctrine".

I'm not saying NECESSARILY that the poll was improper or proper just that it would be helpful to see the methodologies.

 

[Lavendar Frog]

http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy....uslims-shows-thousands-support-shariah-jihad/

Per the poll: 600 Muslims polled(est. total US Muslims-300,000)
American Muslims:
1. believe Muslims should be able to chose Shariah courts over regular courts.
2. 25% support violence against those that offend the prophet.
3. 20% believe in violence in order to get Shariah law in the US.

Shariah is unconstitutional in many ways. Use of violence against free speech is criminal.

That's a very minor number of muslims polled given the projected total of muslims living in America.

I agree that there are religious courts, cultural courts, already active in America. And have been for years.
That theirs is a secured jurisdiction, meaning within their own exclusive community, means nothing to me personally.
Though in the case of muslims the problem becomes when they claim the secular community they inhabit in the name of Sharia. And erect signs identifying the borders of said community wherein Sharia law is prosecuted on all who dare cross that border.
Then we've got a problem. And those zones exist in area's in Europe and the U.S.
And local law enforcement does nothing to remove such encumbrances.

 

[cow451]

In another somewhat related thread a relatively knowledgeable person is leaning towards the view that taliban uses islam to get recruits. It is prevalent and comforting idea among non-muslims to think Islam is not a danger to civilized world.

The centre for security is highlighting a very real threat of Islamic Jihad.

The Taliban uses Islam to get recruits. Wow. In other enlightenment from the C for S, it has found that sand storms are a pain in the butt.

The C for S looks like some histrionic, paranoid faux "think tank" to me.

 

[mmksparbud]

That's a very minor number of muslims polled given the projected total of muslims living in America.

I agree that there are religious courts, cultural courts, already active in America. And have been for years.
That theirs is a secured jurisdiction, meaning within their own exclusive community, means nothing to me personally.
Though in the case of muslims the problem becomes when they claim the secular community they inhabit in the name of Sharia. And erect signs identifying the borders of said community wherein Sharia law is prosecuted on all who dare cross that border.
Then we've got a problem. And those zones exist in area's in Europe and the U.S.
And local law enforcement does nothing to remove such encumbrances.

This is the only thing that has no place here in America---in place where they have Sharia law exclusively and the local police do not even bother to go there and the incidence of domestic violence against women and children is rampant. A friend lived close to an area in Europe that is like that. She saw a woman being chased down and severely beaten, called the police and they refused to go in. Not good. The female children were not allowed to go to school and nobody would do anything about it. They can have their laws--but this is America and our laws should have to be obeyed.


Well---hush my mouth and slap me silly!!---I messed this up!! It took place in India--and the woman was burned alive afterwards. Soo sorry!!

 

[Lavendar Frog]

They should have to be obeyed, I agree. The special privilege accorded muslims in this regard sends a message that the Administrative branch of government, that which police are member of, is intimidated and afraid to enforce the laws fair and equally when it comes to Muslims.
This just emboldens the most radical among them as they see that as acknowledging our inferiority and weakness as infidels.
Sharia Law Zones in America are also labeled with the title that intends to forewarn of the off limits border region as pertains to a muslim Sharia law controlled territory in America: No Go Zone. (Also in Europe. Sweden is said to have 55 such zones)

 

[Armoured]

They should have to be obeyed, I agree. The special privilege accorded muslims in this regard sends a message that the Administrative branch of government, that which police are member of, is intimidated and afraid to enforce the laws fair and equally when it comes to Muslims.
This just emboldens the most radical among them as they see that as acknowledging our inferiority and weakness as infidels.
Sharia Law Zones in America are also labeled with the title that intends to forewarn of the off limits border region as pertains to a muslim Sharia law controlled territory in America: No Go Zone. (Also in Europe. Sweden is said to have 55 such zones)

Not this again. No, there are no such "no go" zones anywhere in Europe. Not 55, not any. Nor in America. Someone's been lying to you.

 

[trunks2k]

That's a very minor number of muslims polled given the projected total of muslims living in America.
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No. Assuming 300000 adult Muslims in the United states a sample size of 600 has error of plus or minus just over 3 percentage points at a 95 percent confidence level. 600 is a perfectly fine sample size.

Now, whether or not the sample was appropriately chosen and the questions were well stated is a completely different question. But any potential issue with the survey is NOT the sample size.

 

[Lavendar Frog]

Not this again. No, there are no such "no go" zones anywhere in Europe. Not 55, not any. Nor in America. Someone's been lying to you.

January 28, 2015
Are 'No-Go Zones' a Myth?
By John Dietrich
Recently Fox News apologized for referring to several areas in Europe as “no-go zones.” The apology followed an interview with Steven Emerson, Executive Director of the Investigative Project on Terrorism, who incorrectly claimed Birmingham, England was a Muslim city. The apology claimed the “no-go zone” statement was also incorrect.

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(Sic)"It has been suggested that Fox made these apologies as a result of pressure from Saudi billionaire, Alwaleed bin Talal, a major stockholder in Fox’s parent company. But that doesn't explain why CNN went the same way. Anderson Cooper stated, “In the wave of the Paris attacks, several guests on this program mentioned ‘no-go zones’ in France. I didn’t challenge them and twice referred to them as well. I should have been more skeptical, I won't make the same mistake again." Apparently the claim that there are “no-go zones” is now taboo. Both Media Matters and the Washington Post have declared it to be a myth.
Are “no-go zones” really a myth? It appears to depend on the terminology used. The French government admits to 751 “Sensitive Urban Zones.” Daniel Pipes claims it would be more appropriate to describe them as “Dar al-Islam” -- the House of Islam, or a place where Islam rules. In Britain there are as many as eighty-five Sharia courts in operation. The Dutch government has released a list of forty “no-go” zones in the Netherlands.

Several people have commented on this sensitive subject. A senior bishop of the Church of England, Pakistani-born Michael Nazir-Ali, warned that Islamic extremists had created “no-go” areas across Britain too dangerous for non-Muslims to enter. " Source and full article @ The American Thinker


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[Lavendar Frog]

No. Assuming 300000 adult Muslims in the United states a sample size of 600 has error of plus or minus just over 3 percentage points at a 95 percent confidence level. 600 is a perfectly fine sample size.

Now, whether or not the sample was appropriately chosen and the questions were well stated is a completely different question. But any potential issue with the survey is NOT the sample size.

Thank you for expounding on my observations about the small number polled.

 

[Arcangl86]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/nogozones.asp
There you go. A site that specializes in fact checking.

 

[Armoured]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/nogozones.asp
There you go. A site that specializes in fact checking.

Stand by for snopes being handwaved as untrustworthy because of "liberal bias" in 3...2...

 

[Oafman]

Apparently the claim that there are “no-go zones” is now taboo.

It's not taboo, it's just wrong

Are “no-go zones” really a myth?

Yes. It's complete nonsense. I know this because I live in a part of East London which has been touted as being a no go zone. Yet I have no problems going anywhere. And I grew up in Birmingham, and visit often. I'm never prevented from doing so!

 

[Lavendar Frog]

I think if you'd have read the article you'd realize that your experience does not speak for others. And that, as was noted in American Thinker, it appears to depend on one's terminology as to the term, No Go Zone. However, they do exist.
So in fact it is not complete nonsense.

 

[cow451]

I think if you'd have read the article you'd realize that your experience does not speak for others. And that, as was noted in American Thinker, it appears to depend on one's terminology as to the term, No Go Zone. However, they do exist.
So in fact it is not complete nonsense.

Just plain old garden variety nonsense.

 

[Lavendar Frog]

As you wish.

 

[Armoured]

I think if you'd have read the article you'd realize that your experience does not speak for others. And that, as was noted in American Thinker, it appears to depend on one's terminology as to the term, No Go Zone. However, they do exist.
So in fact it is not complete nonsense.

Yes, if by "ones terminology", we accept ."completely false scaremongering " as an acceptable meaning, then sure. No Go zones up the wahzoo .