Poll of U.S. Muslims Reveals prefers Shariah and violence.

[Billnew]

http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy....uslims-shows-thousands-support-shariah-jihad/

Per the poll: 600 Muslims polled(est. total US Muslims-300,000)
American Muslims:
1. believe Muslims should be able to chose Shariah courts over regular courts.
2. 25% support violence against those that offend the prophet.
3. 20% believe in violence in order to get Shariah law in the US.

Shariah is unconstitutional in many ways. Use of violence against free speech is criminal.

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

They can enforce shariah law all they want as long as it doesn't contradict US courts. I believe the Amish do this very thing. They handle all their problems internally. If you see Amish in a U.S. courtroom it is usually a big deal around here.

 

[Armoured]

http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy....uslims-shows-thousands-support-shariah-jihad/

Per the poll: 600 Muslims polled(est. total US Muslims-300,000)
American Muslims:
1. believe Muslims should be able to chose Shariah courts over regular courts.
2. 25% support violence against those that offend the prophet.
3. 20% believe in violence in order to get Shariah law in the US.

Shariah is unconstitutional in many ways. Use of violence against free speech is criminal.

I don't mean to be the killjoy in the group, but do I need to point out that 25% of ANY group will have some weird and disturbing views? So, while 25% may believe this stuff, that does mean 75% don't.

 

[Jan Volkes]

I don't mean to be the killjoy in the group, but do I need to point out that 25% of ANY group will have some weird and disturbing views? So, while 25% may believe this stuff, that does mean 75% don't.

You are obviously not thinking like a Republican Fox news watcher.

 

[cow451]

They can enforce shariah law all they want as long as it doesn't contradict US courts.

And 92% of the respondents agreed. And 63% identify themselves as "Caucasian".

 

[Rationalt]

http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy....uslims-shows-thousands-support-shariah-jihad/

Per the poll: 600 Muslims polled(est. total US Muslims-300,000)
American Muslims:
1. believe Muslims should be able to chose Shariah courts over regular courts.
2. 25% support violence against those that offend the prophet.
3. 20% believe in violence in order to get Shariah law in the US.

Shariah is unconstitutional in many ways. Use of violence against free speech is criminal.

Your post missed the percentage in point number one.

a majority (51%) agreed that “Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to shariah.

Also 20 % of muslims want to use violence to promote sharia.

This poll is adequate to segregate muslims and stop immigration immediately.

When you have 20% of muslims wanting to impose sharia that is adequate grounds to put every muslim under surveillance especially the mosques.

 

[DeathMagus]

a majority (51%) agreed that “Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to shariah.

People can (and do) agree to use third-party arbitration all the time, under whatever rules they wish. It's how Judge Judy works, for goodness' sake. Why shouldn't any two Muslims be able to agree to settle disputes they have with each other using a set of agreed-upon rules? Seems like basic contract law to me.

When you have 20% of muslims wanting to impose sharia that is adequate grounds to put every muslim under surveillance especially the mosques.

What do those 20% have to do with the 80% who don't want to impose Sharia on others?

 

[mmksparbud]

Your post missed the percentage in point number one.

a majority (51%) agreed that “Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to shariah.

Also 20 % of muslims want to use violence to promote sharia.

This poll is adequate to segregate muslims and stop immigration immediately.

When you have 20% of muslims wanting to impose sharia that is adequate grounds to put every muslim under surveillance especially the mosques.

This poll does not say that 20% of Muslims want anything---it says 20% of the 600 Muslims polled said this. That is(if my terrible math is accurate)--that 120 Muslims, out of the 600 polled--want Sharia law. It also says there are 300,000 Muslims in the US. Now, what if another poll is taken, with a whole different 600 Muslims, and that poll says 1% want Sharia, than what??---Is there a poll anywhere that has asked all 300,000 what they want??

 

[Armoured]

20% of Christians believe some crazy stuff too. Better segregate all of them

 

[Armoured]

Your post missed the percentage in point number one.

a majority (51%) agreed that “Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to shariah.

Also 20 % of muslims want to use violence to promote sharia.

This poll is adequate to segregate muslims and stop immigration immediately.

When you have 20% of muslims wanting to impose sharia that is adequate grounds to put every muslim under surveillance especially the mosques.

One wonders what percentage result wouldn't have justified that, in your mind?

 

[DeathMagus]

This poll does not say that 20% of Muslims want anything---it says 20% of the 600 Muslims polled said this. That is(if my terrible math is accurate)--that 120 Muslims, out of the 600 polled--want Sharia law. It also says there are 300,000 Muslims in the US. Now, what if another poll is taken, with a whole different 600 Muslims, and that poll says 1% want Sharia, than what??---Is there a poll anywhere that has asked all 300,000 what they want??

Assuming a proper methodology for sampling, a 600-person sample size can easily be extrapolated to the entire US Muslim population (about 2.7 million people). Specifically, a 20% result on a 600 person sample size for a population of 2,700,00 will be accurate within about 4% either way with 99% confidence, or about 3% either way with 95% confidence.

All this presumes, of course, that the sampling methodology produces a representative sample. And maybe this particular study does or doesn't. But using the study to talk about the group as a whole isn't flawed because of 600 people being an inadequate survey size.

 

[trunks2k]

This poll does not say that 20% of Muslims want anything---it says 20% of the 600 Muslims polled said this. That is(if my terrible math is accurate)--that 120 Muslims, out of the 600 polled--want Sharia law. It also says there are 300,000 Muslims in the US. Now, what if another poll is taken, with a whole different 600 Muslims, and that poll says 1% want Sharia, than what??---Is there a poll anywhere that has asked all 300,000 what they want??

*pet peeve*
Statistics really needs to be a required course in high school. If the sample was properly random, then saying "20% of Muslims..." is pretty accurate. That's the point of a statistics - to take a small sample so you can get an image of the whole. You don't need to ask every person in a population a question to get an accurate idea of what the population as a whole thinks. It's been a while since I've taken statistics, but that 20% should be accurate within a little more than 3 percentage points at 95% confidence.

Rule of thumb: generally, it's not worth taking a sample size of over 1000 regardless of the size of the population. Beyond 1000, you're not really getting any appreciable gain in accuracy. A sample size of 600 is a respectable size. Again, this assumes the sample is well randomized.

Of course, you can probably find 20% of any given population to agree to just about anything.


ETA: Darn, DeathMagus got to it before I did. I should read the whole thread before typing up a reply .

 

[GoldenBoy89]

20% of Christians believe some crazy stuff too. Better segregate all of them

I think it's a little more than 20% but we'll just leave it at that. This thread is about bashing Muslims... Not Christians.

 

[Rationalt]

This poll does not say that 20% of Muslims want anything---it says 20% of the 600 Muslims polled said this. That is(if my terrible math is accurate)--that 120 Muslims, out of the 600 polled--want Sharia law. It also says there are 300,000 Muslims in the US. Now, what if another poll is taken, with a whole different 600 Muslims, and that poll says 1% want Sharia, than what??---Is there a poll anywhere that has asked all 300,000 what they want??

Pollsters take a representative sample.It is kind of established science.If your contention is true no polls should be given any importance whatsoever.

 

[Rationalt]

People can (and do) agree to use third-party arbitration all the time, under whatever rules they wish. It's how Judge Judy works, for goodness' sake. Why shouldn't any two Muslims be able to agree to settle disputes they have with each other using a set of agreed-upon rules? Seems like basic contract law to me.

It is how muslims want to live.That is the whole point.It is not a private dispute between two muslims.Living under sharia means non-muslims have to accomodate sharia.

What do those 20% have to do with the 80% who don't want to impose Sharia on others?

The point is which 20 % and how do you know.It is not like an immigration official asks any muslim whether he wants sharia to be imposed on law that they are going to reply truthfully.

It is not 80% don't want to impose sharia law.It means the 80% didn't think it is prudent to demand imposition of sharia.

 

[DeathMagus]

It is how muslims want to live.That is the whole point.It is not a private dispute between two muslims.Living under sharia means non-muslims have to accomodate sharia.

You do recognize how it's possible for Muslims in America to "have the choice of being governed according to shariah", without imposing it on anyone but the Muslims who make that choice, don't you? If you don't, this should clear things up for you. There's nothing indicating that the 51% cited by the statistic want to force anyone, even other Muslims, into being bound by Sharia.

The point is which 20 % and how do you know.It is not like an immigration official asks any Muslim whether he wants sharia to be imposed on law that they are going to reply truthfully.

Why should we worry about what 0.1-0.2 of the population thinks? Are those half-million Muslims going to be able to ram any legislation through the political apparatus? Are they going to stage a military coup? Of course not.

It is not 80% don't want to impose sharia law.It means the 80% didn't think it is prudent to demand imposition of sharia.

It means that 80% at minimum don't think it prudent to demand Sharia for all. Perhaps all of them would want to if they could. Perhaps none of them would want to. Deciding that they all would want to impose Sharia despite most of them saying that they don't is just evidence of bias and prejudice.

 

[football5680]

#1 isn't that bad as long as both sides consent. The Shariah courts should have no power to enforce any ruling that they make.

 

[DeathMagus]

#1 isn't that bad as long as both sides consent. The Shariah courts should have no power to enforce any ruling that they make.

The courts themselves wouldn't, but one party could sue for breach of contract if the other party doesn't abide by the arbitration ruling.

 

[cow451]

*pet peeve*
Statistics really needs to be a required course in high school. If the sample was properly random, then saying "20% of Muslims..." is pretty accurate. That's the point of a statistics - to take a small sample so you can get an image of the whole.

The poll was commissioned by a group that clearly has an anti-Muslim bias. That fact makes the "random sampling" claim questionable. Secondly, the responses are contradictory, making the quality of the poll questionable. The definition of "Sharia law" was varied among the respondents, causing an "apples-to-oranges" effect. Any opinion poll requires a grain of salt. This one requires a pillar.

Of course, you can probably find 20% of any given population to agree to just about anything.

Trump's polling numbers validate that observation.

 

[pakicetus]

Not sure I would trust the "Center for Security Policy," which appears to be a right-wing nutbag group, to conduct a scientific and unbiased poll.