It doesn't follow that since there are no explicit verses in the NT about losing the Holy Spirit, therefore one cannot lose the holy spirit.
It doesn't follow that since we're marked for the day of redemption, we cannot be unmarked.
If we're not talking about physical seals, the rational behind thinking sealed means forever shut, done deal, is thrown out the window. You're begging the question.
Since not all Bibles are saying the same thing, I'm sticking to the KJV ONLY, brother, because modern Bibles can obscure the truth of John 6:39 & Ephesians 4:30 & others as if they really do not mean what they say.
If salvation includes regeneration, being born again, and being a new creature; that all goes away through apostasy.
Then explain 1 Corinthians 3:10-17 wherein the wood, stubble, and hay has to be works of iniquity that defiles the temple of God and how purging oneself with His help & by His grace is how anyone can depart from iniquity to be received as that vessel unto honour in His House to attend the Marriage Supper as opposed to being disqualified & therefore by the work of iniquity that denies Him, they will be denied attendence, but to be received later on after the great tribulation since excommunication as taught by Paul in 1 Corinthians 5th chapter is exactly what God will do when He judges His House.
The following describes a person who was regenerate:
Hebrews 6:4For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been
enlightened, who have t
asted the heavenly gift, and have
shared in the Holy Spirit,
5and have
tasted the goodness of the word of God and t
he powers of the age to come,6and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.
7For land that has drunk the rain that often falls on it, and produces a crop useful to those for whose sake it is cultivated, receives a blessing from God.
8But if it bears thorns and thistles, it is worthless and near to being cursed, and its end is to be burned.
It is too bad that you are reading it in that way but only the Lord Jesus Christ can help you to see that the message is that once saved is always saved which is why it is impossible to be born again "again" because they had already received the rain & have received life ( growth in plants ) that they cannot receive life again, but what the believer builds on that foundation will be burned up whereas in the case of thistles & thorns, it will be burned up so that which has received life can be partakers of His holiness; hence the foundation remains but only that which denies Him is burned up.
If I'm understanding you correctly, you think "gift of faith" is not in Romans, and faith is a gift from God. Your belief that God's gifts are irrevocable are limited to the epistle of Romans, and gifts mentioned outside of Romans are revocable? Such as faith? I still see no reason to think that God's gifts to us cannot be lost. If we discard a gift, the giver of that gift hasn't really taken it back, but it is discarded nonetheless.
Since you're limiting Romans 11:29 to apply only to the book of Romans, why not narrow it down even more?
Specifically to the context of Romans 11 itself. If you read Romans 11 you'll notice that the verse we've mentioned refers to the salvation of Israel.
In terms of faith through salvation:
Pual Speaking to the Gentiles about the Jews:
19You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.”
20Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief,
and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.
22Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you,
provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off
What do you believe Paul refers to when he says we can be
cut off?
I think it's obvious: salvation.
Nope. The eternal glory that comes with our salvation which is to be that vessel unto honour in His House.
2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also
obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus
with eternal glory.
The underlined is the part many readers overlook. Read onward.
11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
Titus 1:16 testify any work that denies Him will result in 2 Timothy 2:12 above of Him denying us. This is not testifying that these professing believers were never saved in Matthew 7:21-23 but that because they were workers of iniquity, they were being denied to be received as vessels unto honour in His House to attend the Marriage Supper.
But you should note the following verses about how those that have stopped believing in Him are still His because He still abides in them which explains why there are vessels unto dishonour in His House to be received later on after the great tribulation.
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If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself. 14 Of these things put them in remembrance,
Read on to see an example of how some can err from the truth and have their faith overthrown and yet they still have His seal..but called to depart from iniquity still.
2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.
Note how it is the vessels unto honour that have pruged themselves of iniquity that are the vessels unto honour; and so that means the vessels unto dishonour that are IN His House are those that did not depart from iniquity.
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
You left out verse 9 for which many confuse running that race as being for salvation when it is for the eternal glory that comes with our salvation as His disciples by faith in Jesus as their Good Shepherd to help them to abide in Him & His words as kept in the KJV Bible.
Ephesians 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
So running that race is not to obtain salvation, but to obtain the eternal glory that comes with our salvation to be that vessel unto honour in His House by His grace & by His help.
Ephesians 2:10
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Secondly, the gift is eternal life in Christ Jesus.
John 15:6 "If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned.
If we choose not to abide in Christ, we don't have the guarantee of salvation. Salvation is only for those in Christ, not those who depart from him.
That is not true. The eternal glory of being that vessel unto honour in His House are for His disciples that abide in Him which is done by faith in the Son of God as their Good Shepherd.
Lastly: Those who do not have faith will be sent to hell,
Rev 21:
5And he who was seated on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” Also he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.” 6And he said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the spring of the water of life without payment. 7The one who conquers will have this heritage, and I will be his God and he will be my son.
8But as for the cowardly,
the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars,
their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”
It doesn't say anywhere in the bible that you can be saved while denying Christ. It actually says, the faithless will go to hell.
2 Timothy 2:10-13 & 18-21 reproves your Bible version as lying.
Revelation 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. 6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8 But the fearful, and
unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
KJV ONLY
That only pertains to those that had never believed in Jesus Christ. That is the only way the truth of this scripture can be in alignment with the truth in 2 Timothy 2:1-13 & 18-21.
FURTHERMORE:
1 John 3:15
15Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer; and you know that
no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.
Therefore, a once saved person who begins to hate his brother does not have eternal life.
Seems alot of people are missing the point of the eternal glory that comes with our salvation & that is we will be like the angels that cannot die any more.
Luke 20:34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: 35 But
they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world,
and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
Those coming out of the great tribulation are those that will reign as kings & priests for the milleniel reign of Christ in serving the King of kings and so that means spread out all over the world for the coming generations. The promise given to those resurrected left behind saints is that the power of the second death will not be over them, but on the coming generations.
Now discern that for a moment.
Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and
which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
This resurrection of saints is only of those "which" went through the great tribulation.
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But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
This is not saying that this is the only resurrection, but this resurrection happened before the rest of the dead that will be resurrected later on as boldened above as overlooked.
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Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
That means the power of the first death; the physcial death, still is over them, but the power of the second death, the lake of fire, has no power over them at all.
This is the glory of the terrestriel inheritance hinted at but overlooked in comparing with the celestiel inheritance and thus solves the mystery as to why saints need to eat from the tree of life when Christ is our life, because these saints will be with Jesus & made to hear His voice to follow Him as they were not received by faith in Jesus Christ for life for that first inheritance; the eternal glory of being that vessel unto honour in His House.
1 Corinthians 15:
38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. 39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
So that is why it seems like eternal life is at stake but it is really about how we received that kingdom of God; as vessels unto honour in His House as celestiel that can never die or as terrestriel that can still die but are vessels unto dishonour in His House as they will be marrying to serve the King of kings as kings of priests as examples for the coming generations during the milleniel reign.
1 Timothy 3:4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
