Ex-Con Hovind released from the pokey.

[Willtor]

In what respect?

Financial or spiritual?

Spiritual. I don't know whether they've commented on his financial fraud. Do fraudsters rattle the Devil's chains?

 

[AV1611VET]

Spiritual.

Then they're entitled to their opinions, and you're certainly entitled to parrot them.

I don't know whether they've commented on his financial fraud.

Are you anxious for them to do so, so you'll know if he is or not?

Do fraudsters rattle the Devil's chains?

I don't know.

Do they?

 

[essentialsaltes]

I can't for the life of me understand this fixation on Kent Hovind.

You mean among his supporters? I agree.
Freekenthovind
Freehovind

Despite the fact that he obviously did not pay taxes that he owed, his supporters live in a fantasy world where he is innocent and persecuted. This disregard for facts and evidence, in favor of the words that come out of Kent Hovind's mouth, has obvious application to his creation ministry as well.

 

[AV1611VET]

You mean among his supporters?

No.

I mean among the educated elite here.

Despite the fact that he obviously did not pay taxes that he owed, his supporters live in a fantasy world where he is innocent and persecuted. This disregard for facts and evidence, in favor of the words that come out of Kent Hovind's mouth, has obvious application to his creation ministry as well.

Is this what causes you guys to fixate on him?

Oh well, I guess it's more fun to dwell on the negative than the positive, isn't it?

 

[pgp_protector]

Full Definition of FIXATE
transitive verb
1 : to make fixed, stationary, or unchanging
2 : to focus one's gaze on
3 : to direct (the libido) toward an infantile form of gratification
intransitive verb
1 : to focus or concentrate one's gaze or attention intently or obsessively
2 : to undergo arrestment at a stage of development

 

[AV1611VET]

Full Definition of FIXATE
transitive verb
1 : to make fixed, stationary, or unchanging
2 : to focus one's gaze on
3 : to direct (the libido) toward an infantile form of gratification
intransitive verb
1 : to focus or concentrate one's gaze or attention intently or obsessively
2 : to undergo arrestment at a stage of development

Yup.

 

[Willtor]

Then they're entitled to their opinions, and you're certainly entitled to parrot them. Are you anxious for them to do so, so you'll know if he is or not?I don't know.

Do they?

You brought it up. Are you backing off your comment?

 

[JacksBratt]

You mean among his supporters? I agree.
Freekenthovind
Freehovind

Despite the fact that he obviously did not pay taxes that he owed, his supporters live in a fantasy world where he is innocent and persecuted. This disregard for facts and evidence, in favor of the words that come out of Kent Hovind's mouth, has obvious application to his creation ministry as well.

Everything is done for God's plan. Check this out.....

Despite Kent’s tribulation, he has managed to lead over 700 prisoners to Jesus Christ and write over 30 books over the duration of his imprisonment.


And.... actually, his charges and guilty verdict were:

Hovind had faced trial in March on charges of contempt of court, mail fraud and conspiracy related to actions he took with respect to property seized by the government as the result of his 2006 conviction.

The jury did not reach a verdict on the fraud and conspiracy charges thanks to the persistence of jury foreman Don Camacho, but, in a sort of compromise, found Hovind guilty of contempt of court.


Hardly tax evasion. Also, many believe they went after him because he was exposing the TOE for what it is ..... a total farce.

 

[AV1611VET]

You brought it up. Are you backing off your comment?

Of course not.

Hovind must have rattled the Devil's chains.

Thus ICR, DI and other [so-called] Christian orgainizations are bad-mouthing him.

(Note: I'm taking your word that they have said something negative about him. I don't know what it is specifically. But since you guys are so hurting to get the focus off of yourselves an on to these organizations, I'll just take your word for it and play along.)

 

[Loudmouth]

I'm not a YEC though.

(But I take it that doesn't matter?)

You are YEC. You believe the Earth was created a few thousand years ago.

I will grant that you are committed to your mission of making YEC's look foolish, even to the point of pretending you aren't YEC when it is obvious to everyone that you are. You are perfectly illustrating the complete absence of logic and reason that it takes to be YEC. Good job.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Actually, his charges and guilty verdict were:

Hovind had faced trial in March on charges of contempt of court, mail fraud and conspiracy related to actions he took with respect to property seized by the government as the result of his 2006 conviction.

The jury did not reach a verdict on the fraud and conspiracy charges thanks to the persistence of jury foreman Don Camacho, but, in a sort of compromise, found Hovind guilty of contempt of court.

That's not why he was in prison. He was in prison for failure to pay employment taxes and multiple counts of 'structuring' -- withdrawing money from the bank in amounts under $10,000 (to pay his employees under the table) so as not to set off bank reporting laws.

In this more recent trial, I believe the judge actually set aside the contempt conviction. I believe the other counts were dismissed, but the government could choose to bring him to trial again, since no verdict was reached.

 

[Loudmouth]

Everything is done for God's plan. Check this out.....

Despite Kent’s tribulation, he has managed to lead over 700 prisoners to Jesus Christ and write over 30 books over the duration of his imprisonment.


And.... actually, his charges and guilty verdict were:

Hovind had faced trial in March on charges of contempt of court, mail fraud and conspiracy related to actions he took with respect to property seized by the government as the result of his 2006 conviction.

The jury did not reach a verdict on the fraud and conspiracy charges thanks to the persistence of jury foreman Don Camacho, but, in a sort of compromise, found Hovind guilty of contempt of court.


Hardly tax evasion. Also, many believe they went after him because he was exposing the TOE for what it is ..... a total farce.

It was tax evasion. The fact that Hovind can't admit that is one of the most spectacular examples of him not being able to deal with reality.

 

[AV1611VET]

You are YEC. You believe the Earth was created a few thousand years ago.

I will grant that you are committed to your mission of making YEC's look foolish, even to the point of pretending you aren't YEC when it is obvious to everyone that you are. You are perfectly illustrating the complete absence of logic and reason that it takes to be YEC. Good job.

Speaking of absence of logic, calling me a YEC is like calling Yin/Yang, "Yang."

 

[Loudmouth]

No.

I mean among the educated elite here.Is this what causes you guys to fixate on him?

Oh well, I guess it's more fun to dwell on the negative than the positive, isn't it?

We are glad to see our best sleeper agent back in the game.

 

[AV1611VET]

That's not why he was in prison. He was in prison for failure to pay employment taxes and multiple counts of 'structuring' -- withdrawing money from the bank in amounts under $10,000 (to pay his employees under the table) so as not to set off bank reporting laws.

In this more recent trial, I believe the judge actually set aside the contempt conviction. I believe the other counts were dismissed, but the government could choose to bring him to trial again, since no verdict was reached.

I'll bet you even know his ID number, don't you?

 

[essentialsaltes]

Is this what causes you guys to fixate on him?

Oh well, I guess it's more fun to dwell on the negative than the positive, isn't it?

No, it's not so much about fun, as trying to understand how a cult of personality can make people believe things that are so obviously wrong.

Personally, I'm happy he's served his time, and is now out, and can hug his grandkids again. I hope he decides to walk the straight and narrow when it comes to his tax obligations. His blogposts and YouTube videos from prison don't offer much hope of that, but maybe that was just for the consumption of his flock.

 

[pgp_protector]

Full Definition of FIXATE
transitive verb
1 : to make fixed, stationary, or unchanging
2 : to focus one's gaze on
3 : to direct (the libido) toward an infantile form of gratification
intransitive verb
1 : to focus or concentrate one's gaze or attention intently or obsessively
2 : to undergo arrestment at a stage of development

Yup.

So we can say you're fixated on Satan then?

Ya ... Satan elected to stay in that dragon when the dragon lost his legs and hit the dirt, didn't he?

 

[AV1611VET]

No, it's not so much about fun, as trying to understand how a cult of personality can make people believe things that are so obviously wrong.

What's a 'cult of personality'?

 

[essentialsaltes]

I'll bet you even know his ID number, don't you?

Look, on another internet forum, I went at it hammer and tongs with a Hovind supporter, so it's true that I know a lot more about Hovind and his legal problems than I care to. But I try to fight falsehood with truth.

 

[AV1611VET]

So we can say you're fixated on Satan then?

You can say what you want about me.

After all, it's the Net ... eh?