Evolution and the myth of "scientific consensus"

[justlookinla]

Now you're thinking like a creationist.

You didn't read the statement to which I was responding, did you?

 

[HitchSlap]

You didn't read the statement to which I was responding, did you?

Sure I did. You just happen to hold a wrong opinion, because you're a creationist.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Is that all you have, the need to believe these things are true?

Read it again.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Agreed, but those thoughts may still happen. Keep in mind, believing it to be true does not make it true.

Hitchslap said: "As I stated, believe what you need to."

You said "Right back atcha."

I can see how you may need to believe in an afterlife, and a heaven, and all that - but why would one need to believe in the absence of that?

Did you just make that retort without thinking?

No, I was very much aware of what I was saying. I feel that Hitch needs to believe that evolution has produced all life and the systems within them.

 

[justlookinla]

We don't know the exact pathway that produced the bacterial flagellum. Now what?

Now you're left with guesses and suppositions.

Sure I did. You just happen to hold a wrong opinion, because you're a creationist.

If one doesn't know the pathway, any pathway is simply no more than guesses and suppositions.

 

[Oncedeceived]

We don't know the exact pathway that produced the bacterial flagellum. Now what?

You don't not only know the exact pathway but you don't have any evidence for evolution alone being sufficient to produce it at all.

 

[Davian]

No, I was very much aware of what I was saying. I feel that Hitch needs to believe that evolution has produced all life and the systems within them.

Does the theory of evolution being accurate preclude the existence of your god? Is it a dichotomy for you?

 

[Oncedeceived]

Sure I did. You just happen to hold a wrong opinion, because you're a creationist.

You have provided no evidence to show that he holds a wrong opinion.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Does the theory of evolution being accurate preclude the existence of your god? Is it a dichotomy for you?

No.

 

[Oncedeceived]

If one doesn't know the pathway, any pathway is simply no more than guesses and suppositions.

I agree.

 

[Loudmouth]

Now you're left with guesses and suppositions.

You mean Intelligent Design?

 

[Loudmouth]

I agree.

So you are saying that ID is guesses and suppositions?

 

[justlookinla]

You mean Intelligent Design?

I mean your personal guesses and suppositions.

 

[HitchSlap]

No, I was very much aware of what I was saying. I feel that Hitch needs to believe that evolution has produced all life and the systems within them.

I understand your need to project. You have position "envy," as I'm able to adjust my beliefs to the evidence, and you're stuck with the bible. This should be simple enough for you to understand; I accept the theories that best explain what we're able to observe.

I, make three basic assumptions:
1. Realty exists.
2. We can learn something about reality.
3. Models with predictive capabilities work better than those without.

 

[HitchSlap]

I agree.

So, fairies?

 

[justlookinla]

So, fairies?

Or willy-nillies?

 

[Loudmouth]

Read it again.

I did. I still come to the same conclusion. You believe in intelligent design because you want to believe in intelligent design. Evidence has nothing to do with it.

 

[Loudmouth]

I mean your personal guesses and suppositions.

I said that I don't know how the bacterial flagellum came about. How is that a guess or supposition?

You are saying that you do know how it came about. You claim it came about through intelligent design. Where is your evidence?

 

[justlookinla]

I said that I don't know how the bacterial flagellum came about. How is that a guess or supposition?

If you don't know, then you only have guesses and suppositions.

You are saying that you do know how it came about. You claim it came about through intelligent design. Where is your evidence?

Elements of design.

 

[Loudmouth]

If you don't know, then you only have guesses and suppositions.

What guesses and suppositions?

Elements of design.

Already shown to be produced by natural processes.