Evolution and the myth of "scientific consensus"

[Davian]

Wanting to believe when you don't think something is true is impossible.

Are you trying to tell me how I can or cannot think?

 

[bhsmte]

Round and round we go...............................

 

[Atheos canadensis]

I see Once has managed to utterly derail this thread and lifepsyop is nowhere to be seen to continue the discussion we weren having. Oh well.

 

[Oncedeceived]

I see Once has managed to utterly derail this thread and lifepsyop is nowhere to be seen to continue the discussion we weren having. Oh well.

It is not off OP topic. Have patience he sometimes doesn't get back to this as quickly as others do.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Are you trying to tell me how I can or cannot think?

Hey if you can't believe something that you don't think is true, then I stand corrected.

 

[Davian]

Hey if you can't believe something that you don't think is true, then I stand corrected.

I said, why would I not want to believe that there is something more to human existence than this relatively brief biological stint on Earth?

 

[Oncedeceived]

I said, why would I not want to believe that there is something more to human existence than this relatively brief biological stint on Earth?

My response used the word can't rather than can so it was probably confusing. What I meant to say was: If you can believe something you don't think is true, then I stand corrected.

Pleasant thoughts as an afterlife are useless if one doesn't believe that there will REALLY be an afterlife. It might be a nice thought but if you don't think it is true it doesn't matter if you "want" to believe, which was my point.

If you are convinced that the material world is all there is and evolution alone is how life came about (even with lack of evidence of that fact), that is what you will believe.

 

[Loudmouth]

The elements of design found throughout the human body.

How can they be elements of design when they can be produced by natural processes?

 

[The Cadet]

Perhaps the problem you are having is that you don't have a strong sense for the working system and why it appears designed.

...Hang on, didn't we already assert that it's not subjective? So surely, you should be able to show me objective criteria to assess whether it was designed or not, no?

 

[Loudmouth]

Wanting to believe when you don't think something is true is impossible.

Is that all you have, the need to believe these things are true?

 

[HitchSlap]

Is that all you have, the need to believe these things are true?

Seems her argument has been reduced to 'we don't have evidence, and neither do you.'

 

[Loudmouth]

Seems her argument has been reduced to 'we don't have evidence, and neither do you.'

With the added claim, "Therefore, ID is true."

 

[Davian]

My response used the word can't rather than can so it was probably confusing. What I meant to say was: If you can believe something you don't think is true, then I stand corrected.

Pleasant thoughts as an afterlife are useless if one doesn't believe that there will REALLY be an afterlife.

Agreed, but those thoughts may still happen. Keep in mind, believing it to be true does not make it true.

It might be a nice thought but if you don't think it is true it doesn't matter if you "want" to believe, which was my point.

Hitchslap said: "As I stated, believe what you need to."

You said "Right back atcha."

I can see how you may need to believe in an afterlife, and a heaven, and all that - but why would one need to believe in the absence of that?

Did you just make that retort without thinking?

 

[Davian]

Is that all you have, the need to believe these things are true?

Seems her argument has been reduced to 'we don't have evidence, and neither do you.'

With the added claim, "Therefore, ID is true."

Adding "...because it looks that way to me".

"It's like déjà vu all over again." Yogi Berra

 

[HitchSlap]

Adding "...because it looks that way to me".

"It's like déjà vu all over again." Yogi Berra

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

 

[bhsmte]

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

The needle, is definitely stuck.

 

[justlookinla]

How can they be elements of design when they can be produced by natural processes?

I ask once again, describe the natualistic processes which created bacterial flagellum or tactile sensory units. Based on the scientific method of course.

 

[Loudmouth]

I ask once again, describe the natualistic processes which created bacterial flagellum or tactile sensory units. Based on the scientific method of course.

We don't know the exact pathway that produced the bacterial flagellum. Now what?

 

[justlookinla]

We don't know the exact pathway that produced the bacterial flagellum. Now what?

Now you're left with guesses and suppositions.

 

[HitchSlap]

Now you're left with guesses and suppositions.

Now you're thinking like a creationist.