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i'm convinced that human beings are far more evil than they believe themselves to be. it is just that they are so used to their foolish ways that they don't understand that they are evil.

this world overflows with wickedness, not with paradise.
 
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i'm convinced that human beings are far more evil than they believe themselves to be. it is just that they are so used to their foolish ways that they don't understand that they are evil.

this world overflows with wickedness, not with paradise.

"Father forgive them for they know not what they do."
 
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Symbols and pictures … (It's a little condensed, but for what it is worth ... if you obey Paul's words as God's (the gathering of yourselves together/church as some would call it) then you have studied to show yourself approved of God (as if God's approval was ever needed in the first place (depending on where one is seeing from) ... The church/Babylon/soul (the one with the testimony of a husband who is not dead teaches steps, a merchandising of the truth, (let alone the physician manifestation of this) seeing that the one who leads/teaches, just as the kingdom, and both Father and Son are a truth that is in us, that flows out of us, each of us, only limited by the perception of a son not complete (which is a looking for another to tell us who we are rather than the only one who knows who we are), or the labor by thought to be), that reveal one's nakedness; we do not come to our father by steps having come out of him (Jesus' ladder had no steps (as opposed to Jacob who embodies the process of the journey of there and back again form where captivity first began (a first thought/seed of a serpent). The mind of labor cannot understand; the bond woman/soul and her son are not partakers of the promise, she is a picture of the soul one loses, or from the picture of sons (or the masculine/image ... the firstborn, and the second born, or born again (the first man the second man, the elder and the younger, etc). It is the same picture that is strewn about the Bible in every conceivable way. The mentality of a servant is where the church (collective soul of mankind) has been for the last two days).She is currently in the same condition she was at his first appearing, but as I have said before, this is not out of order. When we hear him we live, when we don't we remain in confusion as to our face being the picture of who we are. It is a woman/soul that lies down with a beast/man, which becomes our image of God, hence our image of ourselves.
 
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Is there any such thing as sin?

The Bible is a book of consciousness that the journey of is as a means to an end, which end is self.

You will find that everything in the Bible is about origins, and divisions due to thought (which is how one is carried away in their own mind as a place they wander around lost in, or as one who provokes God (though this could not be farther from the truth).

The difference between the character of God as seen in the OT starting in Genesis when he drove them from the garden, and the one depicted as one who gives his only son for his enemies, wherein he removes the veil of flesh that covered the image of the love that he is, appear to be as far as the east is from the west, because of the duality of knowledge concerning self that we are ruled over by via our own soul.
 
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Oh, how I hunger to understand the things you all speak of here. I know that this is the language of the Kingdom, and the deep things that I long for in knowing Him more, it brings me to tears to know, that I don't know, but still long for more......But I will continue to read in hopes that God will enlighten me in this thing...
 
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I say nothing that you do not already know, just as there is nothing that has not always been yours/ours already (this truth is an absolute as much as God is an absolute, as much as you are an absolute (don't let them become a path of a serpent, or a slow climb up babel) and beyond the labor of thought to be). There is no one less or more, all are of God; all things are of God, as much as we are that Seed, as much as he has been made all things to us as to who we are having always been in him. Don't let the words become an image in your grove that you have to tear down.

In writing to someone who is just beginning to seek God (without any images yet to deal with) ... about the word God ...

The word God does not appear in the original language of the Bible, and as far as words go it is a relatively knew one and decidedly European . The Bible uses words such as Yahweh, Elohim, Ho Theos, or Ho Kurios etc. ...the word’s only surviving non-Germanic relative is Sanskrit hu. This form appears in the Rig Veda (oldest Hindu scriptures [as] puru-hutas, ‘much invoked,’ epithet of the rain-and-thunder god Indra. (To get back to the Bible) Adam names everything (think of scientists every time they find something new), the reason being that everything (to man) must be quantified which makes everything relative to the one it is being quantified by. If I were to sum up the word as to what it means I would have to say it is the self existing one (one not e or affected by cause and effect), everything we know in the realm of matter has a beginning and an end (though quantum mechanics will greatly change the way we perceive not only the bodies we inhabit as consciousness but the state the universe/multi-verse (dimensional) exists in), even the universe itself is believed to be finite, at least in the state we see it now. But don't take me wrong ... I believe in God, (for the lack of a better word) who is my Father as he is yours, I believe Jesus was the son of God (son being a word that depicts a truth in picture form as part and parcel of the language of God that is written into the very fabric of the universe itself which we in one form are the words (a thing that defines something) of) and therefore God, but I also believe this about you, as Paul had said to and about those who most Christians would consider heathen (including himself in this), or at best unbelievers, that in him we live and move and have our being. In the language of God a tree, a star, a moon, a woman, a river, a sea, mountains, thunder reveal truths that are relative to us in this journey inwards into the understanding of who we are, both individual and collectively. The path of life is not outside of you, it is in you, and why so few find it, being that the distractions outside of us are many, some good, some evil.

What is in a word that we do not put their ourselves through perception ... how many words does it take to describe one word ... To throw it out there ... when Jesus was talking to Nicodemus saying you must be born again, he was not saying something new, but something that the scriptures (that Nicodemus believed could not be broken) constantly spoke about in different forms, but for Nicodemus, he could not (because of his soul) get past the image of the natural truth of what it means to be born (which born again Jesus likened to an earthly truth Nicodemus could not receive, as Paul had likened the Corinthians as being in this same state (though they were "born again").

In some ways what infinity is to the family of math’s is what the word God is to the consciousness of mankind, which is why every culture has a God, and each one of these God’s born out in the perception of one man as the truth of who God is, which you will find (like all things) always to be progressive. It is inherit in the nature of man to search for what he himself is. To be born again (which affords us to see something new), is simply to be born of an image within, rather than the one given to us by the image that is without, but then there is the process of entering into what you see which is where the road on the journey is full tar pits, sinking sand, of hills, mountains and valleys, and rivers, wells and streams, which all relate to our soul as pictures of truth of this kingdom and the entering into it through reasoning with God. It is interesting to note that Hagar was the first one to name God (she is of the lineage that depicts the natural seed, or our flesh, while the spiritual seed names the place where God meets them, rather than name God … because of the journey (though the two seeds become one in Noah through a baptism). These two seeds/inheritances are the one's Jesus made one, firstly in himself by saying the son of man is the son of God, but this did not come to him without a cross picked up, which in one form is symbolism (to the extreme) of the pouring out of our soul, or the denying of the self-image generated by what the Bible terms as another, or not your own.

Once bitten by the serpent one must follow the anecdotes prescribed.
 
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Thank you x141, I won't let them become an image that needs to be torn down, I never have. With that being said, I find it no coincidence that you speak of "The pouring out of the soul" this is the very thing that I've been pondering lately. I've been on this journey with Him for 18 yrs. now, minus 1 that was in the {church}/{building}...and have come to see and enter into many things.. and yet I still find myself pondering things like "is the soul eternal" ? or "if it was poured out by our Lord unto death" then of course it is of necessity that this is something we must enter into also... But if this be so, then what happens to the soul after it's been poured out? Is it the part of us that is born out of Him/made anew? Does it continue on after the laying down of the body? Is this what is meant by the New Earth? So things you are saying is helping, and I thank you again. It's been a long time since we've talked.
 
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It has been ... and I knew you wouldn't (I saw this the first time we talked) or you would have not got past the first few lines of many of my posts then : )

I will say things you already know for the sake of saying them …

To pour one's soul out (as you know) is just another form of losing your soul, or picking up your cross or keeping the feast of Passover, or obeying the commandment not to eat (it is not something done in partiality or partiality is the fruit of it (bearing in mind that in one form, the keys of the kingdom are the two keys of knowledge but not as something labored for but freely given as is the kingdom (to the one who knows they are a son born in his Father’s house (all that the Father has is mine).

18 is a very significant number of years … that speaks to a change in perception eternally connected to the truth of what the Sabbath speaks to spiritually.

Jesus (concerning his soul) did in flesh what he had already done in spirit which was how the son, or who he was, was revealed in him as him, and as he said (which goes for us likewise) only the Father reveals this to the individual (all those who are taught of my Father come to me (the stature of a son) it comes no other way.

Our soul is God’s soul (the city of God, or the bride, the lambs wife, the mind of Christ, or mind/soul of God), his soul has no pleasure in them (in the ones) who turn back (again into the wilderness) even though this was not out of order). The two cities depicted in Revelation are the same city, the heavenly not coming down from God out of heaven until the earthly truth becomes a desolate woman (more are the children of the desolate) where the son/truth/Christ was crucified.

Understand this in relationship to soul (which is only scratching the surface (of things you already know) … The first time they (Israel) entered into the land it was populated with giants (something mixed (which you see in one form (in the law) about the mixing of the material the garments are made of) or in the woman who lies down with a beast) it is a sons of God and the daughters of men/the duality of knowledge (in reference to our own soul in the day we eat thereof) it deals with perception (the law/ten spies/of their mind/mother (a grasshopper mentality) being the feminine of an Ishmael) a revealing of one’s nakedness) they were entering into their second forty that divides the inheritance that is God (a good and evil report) (a ten and two) just as Solomon through a series of events had entered into his 2nd forty (which drives one back into the wilderness (of one’s own mind) Israel being divided into two just as this happened in the first garden/soul with the one inheritance being divided into two sons, which the same happened to Jesus who was driven by the spirit (as all the others had before him) just as the woman through the words of a serpent) but Jesus did not eat, instead agreed with his adversary (judge/magistrate/God) entering back into the land as symbolism of his own soul/having laid it down that he might pick it back up again (which brings with it the understanding of why and how your father loves you) who spoke this as a present truth (Christ being also crucified from the foundation of the world) as well as the one coming that he was born to, as are we all … a cup we drink of, and a baptism we are baptized with).
 
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So really...to simplify what the "soul" is,... is just ..."a life"....and as we go through the process of laying down/pouring out, of our outward images and things that have kept us bound by them, we actually enter in to Covenant with God....by the exchange of "Life for Life"/"Soul for Soul" I mean that's what Covenant relationship is all about anyhow, Life for Life as He did as a Son, so do we.....Wow! How Awesome! And you're right I did know these things...ha ha...
And You know something else ,you are also right when it comes to images controlling/distorting our perception of things. Thank you Lord!!! He is so Faithful..and thank you too x for sharing with us what you have come to know in Him...I for one am very blessed to have you as my brother.
 
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In one form (a garden/city), our soul is the place where the waters of life flow into, it is here that the blessing is poured out as something the soul cannot contain (by thought). We give a Euphrates/image/seed for one that does not lead to confusion, it is an exchange of garments; as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed ...
 
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Boy! there is so many things in scripture that is coming alive in me after this morning...it's hard to keep up with them. Like this one...
2Ti 2:11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:
2Ti 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
2Ti 2:13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

Wow, this has so much more meaning to me now. This word deny is very interesting, it comes from a word that means a "pouring forth". This is why we continue in that river, and abide in that city etc...He cannot deny HIMSELF! Awesome!!!
 
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It is amazing what is in one word/Word, when the Bible reshapes itself in the endless form the one word in the moment appears to us in, if we look into it, the farther we will see (and this by the continual abiding in it, all found in the moment).

The life is in the word but it is not separate from the process of our soul that births it in us (she shall be saved in childbearing) but a virgin (who knows no man/beast) does not give birth, she is delivered).

We have no idea how precious our soul is (but this is hard to see when she is ruling over us based on an image (or words) from outside of us).
 
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It is amazing what is in one word/Word, when the Bible reshapes itself in the endless form the one word in the moment appears to us in, if we look into it, the farther we will see (and this by the continual abiding in it, all found in the moment).

It's so true, I sometimes see "Beneath" the written Word as "A Watermark", that's like on a 20 dollar bill.
And that is where I find the "Life/Spirit" of the Word. It's an Unveiling/Appearing, only seen through the eyes of the Spirit of God.

The life is in the word but it is not separate from the process of our soul that births it in us (she shall be saved in childbearing) but a virgin (who knows no man/beast) does not give birth, she is delivered).

I would like to hear more on this in red. I'm not sure I'm seeing it yet, it must also refer to the 144, 000. Virgins who are not defiled by women/beast/soul, so that would mean....they have no preconceived notions of Him/Religion/being taught of men??
True she does not give birth....for a virgin can't...(just talking this out at this point, sometimes it helps)......"she is delivered"???.....oooh!!
As a firstfruits unto God??....still pondering....

Such as was Christ as The Son/Christ/firstfruits....and so are we as sons, the firstfruits always belongs to the One who planted/sowed etc...

More, More.....Please...
 
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Numbers are relative to what they are in picture concerning the purpose of God (in building a son/habitation) before all things were (the rest/seventh day being a picture of this habitation wherein he finds his rest forever, as something he has declared from the beginning). There is a pattern found (everywhere you go (as you know) in scripture) in three’s as being sequential (144 (24 hours in a day times six days of labor), 14,400 (the biblical year (306 days) times forty years), 144,000 (biblical year (360 days) times four hundred years (in Egypt) the truth of his son held captive to a perception of elf given to them by the labor to be, that all speak to the same truth, and relate to wisdom (that brings) knowledge (that leads to), understanding, such as how one enters into the tabernacle of Moses, or Abram’s journey from his father’s house (which he was called out of) who (his father) never made it pass (in perception) Haran (which is the name of his third son who dies in the land of their nativity) Abram being called out of Babylon (or Ur of the Chaldees) get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house (sequential). To not be defiled with woman (harlot soul who does not have a husband that is her own (which was the prerequisite of the priest to David as whether they were able to eat the shewbread (bread of the face) symbolism (of course) for the bread of life, or the words that proceed from the Father’s mouth, or the word of spirit that the soul (natural man/first man (living soul/(in the masculine) image of dust) cannot receive due to his soul that rules over him which causes our confusion of face by a seed (in our/Gods garden) that is not from within us.

Our soul loves to divide things which is to our own confusion.
 
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