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How many dozens of Christians did creationism drive away this past hour?

How many Christians did creationism drive away in the past hour?

  • Hundreds (over ~60% of cause)

  • ~180 (~50% of cause)

  • ~100 (~25% of cause)*

  • 40 or less (<10% of cause)

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LoricaLady

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bhsmte: Here is the quote you keep pasting: The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.

That's a pretty good quote, but I think a different ending would make it even better, namely "red herrings may distract from it, but in the end there it is."
 
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bhsmte: Here is the quote you keep pasting: The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.

That's a pretty good quote, but I think a different ending would make it even better, namely "red herrings may detract from it, but in the end there it is."

Cool.

What does that have to do with you giving a specific example of real science? What scientific theory would you call real science and why would you call it real science?

This whole "real science" thing, tends to remind me of when we see the term; "real Christian".

Specific examples are always helpful in these situations, with specific definitions and reasons as to why something is; "real" or not.
 
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No it was innocent back then but they did resist a little when I choose not to tell my children of SC. They thought I judged them as a bad parent for doing it but I let them know that times has changed. Just the fact that some tries to relate God with SC is a good reason not to. There is also the fact a lot of adults thinks the government is SC. There is no such thing as a free lunch. The older generation understood this.
I agree times are different.
 
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Art is the product of man imagination yet I doubt anyone would try to claim art doesn't exist or not real. Atheist badly tries to separate our thoughts from reality as if our thoughts are less real. Now our brain is wired to see the universe in a certain way... 3-D. We can create optical illusion especially in 2D to show our minds interpret things a certain way. What more real our thoughts or the universe? How can we even know the universe is real without any thoughts? We know only what we know.

Hebrews 11:3 states "through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are see were not made of things which do appear."

Faith and understanding goes hand to hand. You can't have one without the other.
Agreed. :)
 
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dreiwerf I confess I did not really look over your sites because I already know what kinds of things will be there and it is tedious and time consuming to read through all the stuff. Plus as I said, you should articulate things for yourself.

I will take the time with your first link, though, to show you what is going on:

Here are some quotes that are totally typical of evolutionary literature: " its initial evolution remains poorly understood. Using experimental evolution, we show that key steps in this transition could have occurred quickly.... because the first steps in this process occurred in the deep past (>200 million years ago) (9, 10). As a result, transitional forms have been lost to extinction [That's the real evidence - no transitional forms. How do you tell missing links from non existent links? You gotta have faith, brother!], and little is known about the physiology, ecology, and evolutionary processes of incipient multicellularity....The fossil record shows that long periods of stasis are often punctuated by bursts of rapid evolution(42), presumably due to shifts in selective conditions and dramatic evolutionary responses."

Here again we see the Presuming Omniscience Fallacy about the past, , i.e. the faith factor rules, i.e. evolution just hasta be true so if we don't see the evidence it either happened too fast, or in some cases too slow!

The most important thing that everyone seem to not notice though, is that this is a study about snowflake yeast that........stayed snowflake yeast!
Do you find it as amusing as I do that creationism allows one to assume such a degree of arrogance, as to actually assert that the scientific method the world over is wrong?
I think that Hovind has irreparably damaged an entire generation of Christians and destroyed their critical and cognitive abilities.
Yet science is blithely unaware of these ignorant opinions, and marches forward.
 
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Do you find it as amusing as I do that creationism allows one to assume such a degree of arrogance, as to actually assert that the scientific method the world over is wrong?

QV please: 2
 
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As I stated, people who are religious, have had to alter their beliefs as they have accepted well evidenced science. Science has not had to alter it's work, based on the bible.

i quite agree, people who are religious have had to alter their beliefs as they have accepted the so-called science.
Many of us do not accept such things as the theory of evolution as good science.

evolution is accepted by those who reject the teachings of the Bible.
Once you have rejected the Bible, what else is there?
 
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i quite agree, people who are religious have had to alter their beliefs as they have accepted the so-called science.
Many of us do not accept such things as the theory of evolution as good science.

evolution is accepted by those who reject the teachings of the Bible.
Once you have rejected the Bible, what else is there?
What about those who accept evolution and the bible? Or those who accept evolution and never read the bible?
 
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i quite agree, people who are religious have had to alter their beliefs as they have accepted the so-called science.
Many of us do not accept such things as the theory of evolution as good science.

evolution is accepted by those who reject the teachings of the Bible.
Once you have rejected the Bible, what else is there?

Well, the evidence to support evolution is available for anyone to learn and review. If they reject it that is their choice. The fact is, as people have become educated in such things, more and more Christians have accepted the science and the majority of Christians have accepted evolution.

If you don't, that is up to you.
 
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Once you have rejected the Bible, what else is there?

Go with the flow.

Pluto is a planet, pluto isn't a planet.

Thalidomide is a prenatal wonder drug, Thalidomide isn't a prenatal wonder drug.

Vioxx is safe, Vioxx isn't safe.

Three Mile Island reactors are 'go' for shutdown, Three Mile Island reactors are not 'go' for shutdown.

Deepwater Horizon is cool with waiving safety checks, Deepwater Horizon is cooling at the bottom of the Gulf of Oilco.

Phlogiston is liquid heat, Phlogiston isn't liquid heat.

"I wonder what this stuff is?"
"Rest in Peace, Mrs. Curie."

It's safe to go back into your homes in L'Aquila, L'Aquila needs more caskets.

Monkey trial in 1925, we don't come from monkeys in 2005.

My toaster won't work after Y2K, my toaster works fine after Y2K.

Asteroid to tear this planet apart, "What asteroid"?

2003: Indonesia? What about Indonesia?
2005: Indonesia? Where's Indonesia?
 
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Do you find it as amusing as I do that creationism allows one to assume such a degree of arrogance, as to actually assert that the scientific method the world over is wrong?
No, but I do find it amusing when 'evolutionists' claim their pseudo-science is equivalent to true science & the scientific method.
 
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Well, the evidence to support evolution is available for anyone to learn and review.

How many periodicals does one have to buy per year to stay current with evolution so as not to get left behind?

(Please answer this.)
 
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No, but I do find it amusing when 'evolutionists' claim their pseudo-science is equivalent to true science & the scientific method.

Can you demonstrate why evolution is "pseudo-science" and can you demonstrate an example of "true science" with specifics?
 
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VirOptimus You have followed the pattern I described - as will all others who reply and believe evolution.
You never attempted to answer a single Q. Instead you changed the subject. In this
case you asked about my scientific credentials. Let's see the two major icons of evolution were Charles Lyell
and Charles Darwin. The first had a degree in law, the 2nd in theology. So, since academic credentials
in scientific fields are vital to you before you believe something, guess maybe it's time for you to quit believing in them?

You Q presupposes that only the "elite" can understand these issues. B.S. The laws of science
and logic are not that difficult, at all, to understand and apply when looking at the vast
amount of information that is available to us. I can use my own mind, thank you, and I will do that! I hope and
pray you will learn to do the same and not follow the appeal to authority logical fallacy way of thinking.

No, you are quite frankly wrong and ignorant about science. Im not responsible for your education and I dont think it would be productive debating you as you are not interested in knowledge, only dogma.
 
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