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The Bible prohibits drunkenness.Beyond a drink, which will likely intoxify, what is acceptable?
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The Bible prohibits drunkenness.Beyond a drink, which will likely intoxify, what is acceptable?
Beyond a drink, which will likely intoxify, what is acceptable?
Spurgeon on smoking;There are some Baptist and Pentecostals allowing drinking,their standard is wine and not to be drunk.
Problem is you just get drunk, and you do not realize till something stupid happens.
The wine is a hook for some, I went to a home where there were multiple empty bottles out from the night before.
personally I believe if you must drink don't sugar coat it, or make excuses.
Doing that adds to hypocrisy.
"Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober".
Most Baptists, at least all the ones I know and I have known a lot of Baptists in a lot of Baptist churches and they were all the same in this, from their pulpits are taught complete abstinence when it comes to any intoxicating substances such as alcoholic unholy spirits or smoking dope.
The Bible passage quoted above is found in 1 Peter 1:13.
You can't be sober when you are sipping beer, and you can't be holy when you are taking in alcoholic spirits.
You can't gird up the loins of your mind when you are letting your mind be altered by intoxicating substances such as dope smoked into you.
If you smoke dope and suck it into your body, you are not being holy because you have to be sober to be holy.
Of course, anybody who likes to smoke dope or sip spirits that are unholy, or sip unholy spirits and smoke unholy dope believe it's wrong for me to say 1 Peter 1:13-17 clearly teaches that they are being disobedient to God and being unholy.
There are many other places in the Bible where being holy excludes all intoxication substances.
Serving God and serving beer and weed do not go together. One is holy and the other is unholy, and guess which one is which.
one of the truly anointed and chosen men of God of our day, one of very few as our nation slides into apostacy thanks to spineless leadership in our churches.
Indeed, and before Welch's invention of grape juice pasteurization alcohol was consumed in Church services as a given.Unbiblical rules such as the avoidance of alcohol are a fairly new innovation in Church history.
No, I don't think Jesus ever had a "bad day".... I believe he turned water in to grape juice, delicious grape juice...not alcoholic wine....that wedding went on for a week....can you imagine if people were drinking alcohol for a week straight! There would have been nothing HOLY about the wedding! And can you imagine all the sin people would have fallen in to, because Jesus did a miracle and created all that wine??? No....Jesus would never have done anything that would cause people to sin....it was just GRAPE JUICE that He made for the wedding feast....Hmmm. I guess Jesus was just having a bad day and forgot all this when He created wine from water, eh?
Indeed, and before Welch's invention of grape juice pasteurization alcohol was consumed in Church services as a given.
No, I don't think Jesus ever had a "bad day".... I believe he turned water in to grape juice, delicious grape juice...not alcoholic wine....that wedding went on for a week....can you imagine if people were drinking alcohol for a week straight! There would have been nothing HOLY about the wedding! And can you imagine all the sin people would have fallen in to, because Jesus did a miracle and created all that wine??? No....Jesus would never have done anything that would cause people to sin....it was just GRAPE JUICE that He made for the wedding feast....
No, I don't think Jesus ever had a "bad day".... I believe he turned water in to grape juice, delicious grape juice...not alcoholic wine....that wedding went on for a week....can you imagine if people were drinking alcohol for a week straight! There would have been nothing HOLY about the wedding! And can you imagine all the sin people would have fallen in to, because Jesus did a miracle and created all that wine??? No....Jesus would never have done anything that would cause people to sin....it was just GRAPE JUICE that He made for the wedding feast....
The only way to reach that conclusion is to ignore the full context of the account. What reason would the master of the marriage feast possibly have for stating, "Every man serves the good wine first, and when the people have drunk freely, then he serves the poorer wine; but you have kept the good wine until now." His statement was based on the fact that wine deadens the taste buds and after a while the flavor is muted by the effects of alcohol. It makes no sense any other way. Drinking wine is not sinful. I challenge anyone to prove such silliness. Christ did not do anything to cause anyone to sin as you suggest. What is forbidden is drunkenness, not drinking. If you can't see the difference, I can't help you. Drinking wine for a week long feast, taken with food, wouldn't cause such a ruckus as you suppose. Nor does it say anywhere that wine was ALL that was being drunk. What unholiness would it create? None.
Proverbs: 23. 29. Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes? 30. They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine. 31. Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright. 32. At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder. 33. Thine eyes shall behold strange women, and thine heart shall utter perverse things. 34. Yea, thou shalt be as he that lieth down in the midst of the sea, or as he that lieth upon the top of a mast. 35. They have stricken me, shalt thou say, and I was not sick; they have beaten me, and I felt it not: when shall I awake? I will seek it yet again. -
Proverbs: 23. 29. Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes? 30. They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine. 31. Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright. 32. At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder. 33. Thine eyes shall behold strange women, and thine heart shall utter perverse things. 34. Yea, thou shalt be as he that lieth down in the midst of the sea, or as he that lieth upon the top of a mast. 35. They have stricken me, shalt thou say, and I was not sick; they have beaten me, and I felt it not: when shall I awake? I will seek it yet again. -
That's a horrible example. Drinking is not a sin. Adultery is a sin. Scripture is clear.
Beyond a drink, which will likely intoxify, what is acceptable?
So by that logic drinking is not drunkenness unless you intend it to be...It's not adultery unless you intend it to be.
I am well aware of this passage, and several others like it. They do not prohibit alcohol consumption. Nor do they advise against having any. They are advising to refrain from drunkenness, which is the overuse of alcohol. Personally, I drink very little. Perhaps a small glass or two of wine a week. I often have none for weeks. So, I'm not trying to justify drunkenness by any stretch of the imagination. I'm simply saying that those who repeatedly insist that we are to have none are very much mistaken and weak in their faith.