Why do you believe in the evolution theory? (2)

[justlookinla]

I stated quite clearly that the ability to use empathy and reason is the source of morality.

Are you a sociopath that is incapable of empathy?

You've not identified the source, you've only identified that which the source controls. Something controls empathy, something controls reason.

DNA?

 

[Loudmouth]

You've not identified the source,

The source is empathy.

Something controls empathy, something controls reason.

That would be the brain.

DNA?

Did your parents tell you where babies come from? Were you taught about the Birds and the Bees? Do you understand how babies form in mommy's tummy?

 

[dad]

Did you read my answer?

"What makes it wrong is our ability to use empathy to determine what causes pain in others, and how our actions cause that pain. It has zero to do with religion."

I get my morality from my ability to empathize with others, and in understanding how my actions can hurt or harm others. If I don't like to be hurt or harmed, then it is logical that I should not hurt or harm others.

One could say the same for Satan. He hurts whom he feels like also if he can get away with it. What is in man is not pretty and if that is all you have to draw on, it is nothing.

 

[Loudmouth]

One could say the same for Satan. He hurts whom he feels like also if he can get away with it. What is in man is not pretty and if that is all you have to draw on, it is nothing.

All you can do is call people Satan. How sad.

 

[dad]

All you can do is call people Satan. How sad.

Is the truth of what I actually said so foreign to you that you say such thick things? The criteria you offered for morals was something like appealing to some inward empathy and choice you make. Unless one had a new heart of gold from God, what better could a man's choices be than a fallen angels? That is no moral standard at all. That is saying you will do just as you please for whatever reason suits your fancy.

 

[Loudmouth]

Is the truth of what I actually said so foreign to you that you say such thick things? The criteria you offered for morals was something like appealing to some inward empathy and choice you make. Unless one had a new heart of gold from God, what better could a man's choices be than a fallen angels? That is no moral standard at all. That is saying you will do just as you please for whatever reason suits your fancy.

Empathy prevents me from doing whatever I please because I realize that doing what I please may cause pain in others. Perhaps you lack empathy?

 

[dad]

Empathy prevents me from doing whatever I please because I realize that doing what I please may cause pain in others. Perhaps you lack empathy?

Perhaps I had that replaced with the love of God! Now that is a love that beats the brain perturbations and moods of little men!

 

[Loudmouth]

Perhaps I had that replaced with the love of God! Now that is a love that beats the brain perturbations and moods of little men!

Then how would you know what is good and bad if you can't tell how your actions affect others?

 

[dad]

Then how would you know what is good and bad if you can't tell how your actions affect others?

Some people think it is good to affect others by maiming and killing them with drones, like Obama. I would tend to go more by what is done in love and according to His word.

 

[Loudmouth]

Some people think it is good to affect others by maiming and killing them with drones, like Obama. I would tend to go more by what is done in love and according to His word.

Do you have empathy or not?

 

[dad]

Do you have empathy or not?

Man's empathy is like an almost dead little battery compared to the Sun of empathy of God's love He puts in a man after they accept Him.

I may have been kind to a fly as kid, rather than do like some did and rip it's wings off. But if another kid crossed me, so much for empathy

Like the story of the kid who was in trouble from his dad for punching and spitting on his little friend who got him mad. 'Yes dad, I admit it was the devil that made me punch Billy....but spitting was my own idea!'

 

[Loudmouth]

Man's empathy is like an almost dead little battery compared to the Sun of empathy of God's love He puts in a man after they accept Him.

I may have been kind to a fly as kid, rather than do like some did and rip it's wings off. But if another kid crossed me, so much for empathy

Like the story of the kid who was in trouble from his dad for punching and spitting on his little friend who got him mad. 'Yes dad, I admit it was the devil that made me punch Billy....but spitting was my own idea!'

IOW, you lack empathy and have to be told what to do.

 

[dad]

IOW, you lack empathy and have to be told what to do.

No. The ability to understand and have compassion involves love. God is love. He said He would come into us and dwell with us. Him in us. That means we have a greater capacity for empathy sympathy compassion and love.

Man without God has a tiny and limited capacity that is easily corrupted and influenced by sin and spirits.

 

[PsychoSarah]

No. The ability to understand and have compassion involves love. God is love. He said He would come into us and dwell with us. Him in us. That means we have a greater capacity for empathy sympathy compassion and love.

Man without God has a tiny and limited capacity that is easily corrupted and influenced by sin and spirits.

Empathy and love are not the same. I am capable of one, but not the other (autism). I can feel sympathy though.

 

[dad]

Empathy and love are not the same. I am capable of one, but not the other (autism). I can feel sympathy though.

Learn something new each day I guess. Sympathy seems to be a form of love.

Empathy "the psychological identification with or vicarious experiencing of the feelings, thoughts, or attitudes of another."

Love is not psychological. Perhaps empathy is overrated.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Learn something new each day I guess. Sympathy seems to be a form of love.

Empathy "the psychological identification with or vicarious experiencing of the feelings, thoughts, or attitudes of another."

Love is not psychological. Perhaps empathy is overrated.

Trust me, I wish I could feel empathy. How would your life be if you have no concept of emotion for events you have never experienced? I could not comprehend the grief of losing a loved one until age 13, when my grandmother died.

 

[dad]

Trust me, I wish I could feel empathy. How would your life be if you have no concept of emotion for events you have never experienced? I could not comprehend the grief of losing a loved one until age 13, when my grandmother died.

I never use the word empathy. I had to look it up to respond to LM. I use love. I can't quite understand autism. Maybe it has some positive aspects. Some people are too emotional

 

[PsychoSarah]

I never use the word empathy. I had to look it up to respond to LM. I use love. I can't quite understand autism. Maybe it has some positive aspects. Some people are too emotional

Disorders don't have silver linings most of the time. To qualify as a disorder, it has to deviate from the norm, cause distress, and add dysfunction. Autism leads to decreased ability to understand and relate to other people, communicate both in words and in emotional cues, to various degrees. My theory of mind, which is the ability to understand the perspectives of other people beyond my own, is so bad, that I get questions that test it incorrect to this day that are intended for 5 year olds. True, many people with autism compensate for it and lead relatively normal lives, but it isn't fair to assume that we get something good out of it.

In written communication such as this, my problems aren't as noticeable, because the cues I can't properly process or display are irrelevant when you can't see my unusual facial expressions or hear my permanently angry tone of voice. I come of as continuously aggressive and spastic in person, and it does not serve me well. Just imagine my conversations emote like this in person:

" Oh, what a cute puppy!"

 

[dad]

Disorders don't have silver linings most of the time. To qualify as a disorder, it has to deviate from the norm, cause distress, and add dysfunction. Autism leads to decreased ability to understand and relate to other people, communicate both in words and in emotional cues, to various degrees. My theory of mind, which is the ability to understand the perspectives of other people beyond my own, is so bad, that I get questions that test it incorrect to this day that are intended for 5 year olds. True, many people with autism compensate for it and lead relatively normal lives, but it isn't fair to assume that we get something good out of it.

In written communication such as this, my problems aren't as noticeable, because the cues I can't properly process or display are irrelevant when you can't see my unusual facial expressions or hear my permanently angry tone of voice. I come of as continuously aggressive and spastic in person, and it does not serve me well. Just imagine my conversations emote like this in person:

" Oh, what a cute puppy!"

Ok. I have some empathy. Or is that sympathy? I may even have some of those days

 

[PsychoSarah]

Ok. I have some empathy. Or is that sympathy? I may even have some of those days

Every word that comes out of my mouth, sounds, at best, in a condescending and irritated tone, and the more excited I get, the angrier I sound, regardless as to the emotion. My vocal tone doesn't match my emotion even when I try to consciously change it. In fact, I am so emotionally tone def, that I can only hear the emotion in my voice if it is recorded and played back to me (because the recording sounds higher than my voice normally sounds to me, my weirdo brain hears the emotion in it on a recording).