Is Scripture MISSING Dogmas? (2)

[topcare]

Thanks. Have you considered other canons as possibilities?

No, but the Ethiopian one is interesting. The canon was settled by a Church council as was the example of the first council so I am confident that God has led the council

 

[Souldier]

I find myself a bit frusustrated over all the theological stuff. You know, the denominations, movements, cannons and all that. Its like trying to go out on Christmas Eve to buy a gallon of milk. You just need some milk but you end up finding yourself in a chaotic envoronment of traffic jams, people running around everywhere trying to get all this stuff and you end up frustrated and tired, and now you need a bottle of aspirin too.

However then i remember what James said, he said be a doer of the word. I dont need the Christmas headache and the bottle of aspirin, i just need the milk.

 

[bbbbbbb]

No, but the Ethiopian one is interesting. The canon was settled by a Church council as was the example of the first council so I am confident that God has led the council

Yes, one can hardly fault the Ethiopian canon for having eliminated any possible books, unless one wishes to include truly apocryphal works, as some unorthodox folks do today.

 

[mluiesp]

I find myself a bit frusustrated over all the theological stuff. You know, the denominations, movements, cannons and all that. Its like trying to go out on Christmas Eve to buy a gallon of milk. You just need some milk but you end up finding yourself in a chaotic envoronment of traffic jams, people running around everywhere trying to get all this stuff and you end up frustrated and tired, and now you need a bottle of aspirin too.

However then i remember what James said, he said be a doer of the word. I dont need the Christmas headache and the bottle of aspirin, i just need the milk.

I share your pain.

 

[brinny]

Originally Posted by Souldier View Post
I find myself a bit frusustrated over all the theological stuff. You know, the denominations, movements, cannons and all that. Its like trying to go out on Christmas Eve to buy a gallon of milk. You just need some milk but you end up finding yourself in a chaotic envoronment of traffic jams, people running around everywhere trying to get all this stuff and you end up frustrated and tired, and now you need a bottle of aspirin too.

However then i remember what James said, he said be a doer of the word. I dont need the Christmas headache and the bottle of aspirin, i just need the milk.

I share your pain.

Awwwww, bless yer hearts, as do i.

God bless us, ev'ry one

 

[tadoflamb]

I find myself a bit frusustrated over all the theological stuff. You know, the denominations, movements, cannons and all that. Its like trying to go out on Christmas Eve to buy a gallon of milk. You just need some milk but you end up finding yourself in a chaotic envoronment of traffic jams, people running around everywhere trying to get all this stuff and you end up frustrated and tired, and now you need a bottle of aspirin too.

However then i remember what James said, he said be a doer of the word. I dont need the Christmas headache and the bottle of aspirin, i just need the milk.

As a Catholic, come Christmas Eve, I'm not looking to go out to by a gallon of milk but am preparing myself for the peace, joy and stillness of Midnight Mass with the rest of my universal faith community. It's understandable that a person with a singular, individual, self-styled spirituality might experience no small amount of frustration when it comes to relating to the larger body of Christianity, but it's the Church which keeps me from being confused by the fog of denominationalism or being 'tossed by the waves of every teaching'.

I suspect the problem you're having is a result from the lack of defining your own dogma and thus you're having a hard time defending it or at least convincing others to accept it. As a Catholic, there is no question as to what is dogmatic and what is to be believed, and even though we are attacked from both outside Christendom and within, there is no cause for frustration but a confidence in knowing that as a Catholic, I have complete and easy access to the fullness of God's revealed Truth.

I pray that you may rest in the peace that comes from Christ.

 

[brinny]

Originally Posted by Souldier View Post
I find myself a bit frusustrated over all the theological stuff. You know, the denominations, movements, cannons and all that. Its like trying to go out on Christmas Eve to buy a gallon of milk. You just need some milk but you end up finding yourself in a chaotic envoronment of traffic jams, people running around everywhere trying to get all this stuff and you end up frustrated and tired, and now you need a bottle of aspirin too.

However then i remember what James said, he said be a doer of the word. I dont need the Christmas headache and the bottle of aspirin, i just need the milk.

As a Catholic, come Christmas Eve, I'm not looking to go out to by a gallon of milk but am preparing myself for the peace, joy and stillness of Midnight Mass with the rest of my universal faith community. It's understandable that a person with a singular, individual, self-styled spirituality might experience no small amount of frustration when it comes to relating to the larger body of Christianity, but it's the Church which keeps me from being confused by the fog of denominationalism or being 'tossed by the waves of every teaching'.

I suspect the problem you're having is a result from the lack of defining your own dogma and thus you're having a hard time defending it or at least convincing others to accept it. As a Catholic, there is no question as to what is dogmatic and what is to be believed, and even though we are attacked from both outside Christendom and within, there is no cause for frustration but a confidence in knowing that as a Catholic, I have complete and easy access to the fullness of God's revealed Truth.

I pray that you may rest in the peace that comes from Christ.

That's not my take on what our brother was expressing. Nevertheless, thank you kindly for sharing your views.

God bless you brother.

 

[tadoflamb]

I asked several times previously with no response as to what dogmas are believed by all non-Catholic Christians which were defined after 1577. I've thought it about it, and the only thing I can come up with is this:

the Word of God alone should be and remain the only standard and rule of doctrine,

Now, I understand that there is some confusion among non-Catholics as to whether the above statement defines a doctrine or a practice, but by the unwavering defense across the board by those Christians who are neither Catholic nor Orthodox one has to suspect that this doctrine/practice has been elevated to dogmatic status.

So, how about it? Where is this seemingly dogmatic pronouncement found in the bible?

 

[tadoflamb]

That's not my take on what our brother was expressing. Nevertheless, thank you kindly for sharing your views.

God bless you brother.

Simply put, I don't share your's or souldier's frustrations. That's the confidence in Christ that comes from being Catholic.

 

[brinny]

Originally Posted by brinny View Post
That's not my take on what our brother was expressing. Nevertheless, thank you kindly for sharing your views.

God bless you brother.

Simply put, I don't share your's or souldier's frustrations. That's the confidence in Christ that comes from being Catholic.

No frustration here, brother. That was not my take on what our brother posted.

Thank you kindly for sharing your opinion.

 

[tadoflamb]

No frustration here, brother. That was not my take on what our brother posted.

Thank you kindly for sharing your opinion.

Sorry, it was mluiesp who shared souldier's frustration. Mea culpa.

 

[brinny]

Originally Posted by brinny View Post
No frustration here, brother. That was not my take on what our brother posted.

Thank you kindly for sharing your opinion.

Sorry, it was mluiesp who shared souldier's frustration. Mea culpa.

And i 3rd-ed it...and what i was expressing is that sometimes we all needs encouragement, brother. I was echo-ing our need for less chaos and just the simplicity of quietness and calming and in resting..

like it says in this verse:

"Be still, and know that I am God: " ~Psalm 46:10

and this one:

"in quietness and in confidence shall be your strength:" ~Isaiah 30:15

it's no biggie...we can all work out whatever differences or misunderstandings we may find along the way.

Thank you kindly and God bless you brother.

 

[SpyderByte]

Simply put, I don't share your's or souldier's frustrations. That's the confidence in Christ that comes from being Catholic.

No that's the confidence we have in Christ, not our denomination. Or perhaps there's the rub?

 

[SpyderByte]

And i 3rd-ed it...and what i was expressing is that sometimes we all needs encouragement, brother. I was echo-ing our need for less chaos and just the simplicity of quietness and calming and in resting..

like it says in this verse:

"Be still, and know that I am God: " ~Psalm 46:10

and this one:

"in quietness and in confidence shall be your strength:" ~Isaiah 30:15

it's no biggie...we can all work out whatever differences or misunderstandings we may find along the way.

Thank you kindly and God bless you brother.

^^^this!

 

[Root of Jesse]

You cannot make a positive assertion and then claim "Well there's no evidence it didn't happen so it must be true!" That's illogical and not an argument for your position. A positive assertion requires positive evidence, or it is simply an assertion. I could say could say "the center of the earth is full of gum balls!" To which you would rightly reply "there is no evidence for that", now if I come back and say "there's no evidence against it either", have I proven my assertion?

Actually, that wasn't my argument. There is precedent for God creating human beings without sin. That's very logical. We know from extraneous writings about Mary's childhood, and it was believed early on. We have evidence, but you discount it, so there it is. We believe there is evidence, we believe the evidence, and we make the assertion. There is precedence in the Bible for God creating humans without sin, so there is rationale for it.

 

[topcare]

Yes, one can hardly fault the Ethiopian canon for having eliminated any possible books, unless one wishes to include truly apocryphal works, as some unorthodox folks do today.

I know. I seen one of their Bibles, wow is it thick and big

 

[Root of Jesse]

Let's put the Mary as immaculately conceived thing to bed shall we?


A Biblical Basis for the "Immaculate Conception"? - Vintage - Alpha and Omega Ministries

This does nothing to put it to bed. Sorry. I will not accept non-Catholic viewpoints on the subject.
So the issue here is how much adoration some people give to Mary, and it's a judgment of people's hearts on your part that they're wrong.

 

[Root of Jesse]

MoreCoffee was contending that the ToC is a dogma which has been added to the Bible. I find it curious that you appear to contradict him.

I'm not contradicting at all. The Canon of Scripture is certainly dogma. Is it "part of the Bible"? Is the commentary at the bottom of every page in our Bibles "part of the Bible"? No, it's not. In fact, commentaries are fallible. The Canon of Scripture is infallible. It's dogma.

 

[Root of Jesse]

So is the unalterable fact that John the Baptist possessed seven heads, but that does not make them necessarily true, does it?

Not Biblically based, is it?

 

[Root of Jesse]

I find it interesting that your personal views do not coincide with your personal faith.

My personal views have no bearing on whether or not my faith is true or not. When it comes to Truth, my views do not matter. I must accept the Truth and struggle with it, if necessary, just as Jerome did with the canon of Scripture.