Praying for the Sick

[ByTheSpirit]

The point of the matter is faith is 100%... Thomas was someone that walked with Jesus and when confronted with the resurrected Lord said I will not believe until... and didn't. That wasn't faith that said that, that was doubt... that is why we call him "Doubting Thomas".

You cannot say you have faith for healing when you question if it is God's will at any point. Walk by faith, not by sight. The two can be and often are at odds with each other. I have seen and heard great things from people who refused to believe they were NOT healed after receiving the laying on of hands and because of their faith in God and not faith in their sight, they were.

As Derek Prince said, "Leave the lamp plugged in. People will often doubt healing because they don't SEE results right away."

 

[Frogster]

2 tim 4:20 Erastus remained at Corinth, but Trophimus I left sick at Miletus.

Sometimes we just have to realize.....no formulas..

 

[Frogster]

The point of the matter is faith is 100%... Thomas was someone that walked with Jesus and when confronted with the resurrected Lord said I will not believe until... and didn't. That wasn't faith that said that, that was doubt... that is why we call him "Doubting Thomas".

You cannot say you have faith for healing when you question if it is God's will at any point. Walk by faith, not by sight. The two can be and often are at odds with each other. I have seen and heard great things from people who refused to believe they were NOT healed after receiving the laying on of hands and because of their faith in God and not faith in their sight, they were.

As Derek Prince said, "Leave the lamp plugged in. People will often doubt healing because they don't SEE results right away."

faith can't argue against God, if he decides to do things, Exodus 4:11 stands.

Moses had to learn that lesson.

 

[Messy]

faith can't argue against God, if he decides to do things, Exodus 4:11 stands.

Moses had to learn that lesson.

Smith Wigglesworth just raised his wife and had to let her go because it was her time, but still his faith worked although it was not His will for her to live.

 

[Frogster]

The point of the matter is faith is 100%... Thomas was someone that walked with Jesus and when confronted with the resurrected Lord said I will not believe until... and didn't. That wasn't faith that said that, that was doubt... that is why we call him "Doubting Thomas".

You cannot say you have faith for healing when you question if it is God's will at any point. Walk by faith, not by sight. The two can be and often are at odds with each other. I have seen and heard great things from people who refused to believe they were NOT healed after receiving the laying on of hands and because of their faith in God and not faith in their sight, they were.

As Derek Prince said, "Leave the lamp plugged in. People will often doubt healing because they don't SEE results right away."

Thomas actually doubted, lacked faith about the key foundational truth to our faith, the resurrection, but did it stop the Lord from coming to minister to Thomas? No!

 

[Frogster]

Smith Wigglesworth just raised his wife and had to let her go because it was her time, but still his faith worked although it was not His will for her to live.

And countless Christians live with all kinds of problems, yet they have faith too, Go figure.

 

[Souldier]

The point of the matter is faith is 100%... Thomas was someone that walked with Jesus and when confronted with the resurrected Lord said I will not believe until... and didn't. That wasn't faith that said that, that was doubt... that is why we call him "Doubting Thomas".

You cannot say you have faith for healing when you question if it is God's will at any point. Walk by faith, not by sight. The two can be and often are at odds with each other. I have seen and heard great things from people who refused to believe they were NOT healed after receiving the laying on of hands and because of their faith in God and not faith in their sight, they were.

As Derek Prince said, "Leave the lamp plugged in. People will often doubt healing because they don't SEE results right away."

Show me a verse that refers healing in the context of "walking by faith and not sight". Show me a scripture which uses the words "walking by faith not sight" and "healing", at the same time. Perhaps i will change my opinion of what it means to walk by faith and not sight.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

Show me a verse that refers healing in the context of "walking by faith and not sight". Show me a scripture which uses the words "walking by faith not sight" and "healing", at the same time. Perhaps i will change my opinion of what it means to walk by faith and not sight.

So you don't walk by faith? That scripture is all inclusive. You should walk by faith in ALL aspects of your life, not just the ones that are convenient or apply to Sunday AM's.

Beside, I am still waiting on you to show me where sickness and illness are the same as hardship and trouble as you referenced from Paul.

Just to amuse you in Luke 8 Jesus tells Jairus "Do not be afraid, only believe and she will be made well." This mans daughter just died. Reality said she is gone and not coming back, but Jesus said "walk by faith"...

That is one example. Now it is your turn

 

[Alithis]

Show me a verse that refers healing in the context of "walking by faith and not sight". Show me a scripture which uses the words "walking by faith not sight" and "healing", at the same time. Perhaps i will change my opinion of what it means to walk by faith and not sight.

with god all things are possible to them who believe .. show me the part where "ALL" is some ?
last night i went to the prayer meeting with a terrible headache ..it was so distracting . i asked those present to pray for me .. i had pain from my shoulder to my neck and throbbing into my head .
the pain in the shoulder and neck moved as they prayed and i only had the headache left..
also the spirit of god moved on me in intercessions i can describe .
i knew i was healed but the evidence (the head ache was till present what i could see and feel in the natural was present but not the truth the truth is i was healed . i went to bed later and awoke in the night and now what i could see and feel had changed to agree with the truth -The lord Jesus healed me .

faith in every form is standing on the eternal word of God ,never on the evidence in the natural realm ..it is the evidence of things hoped for the substance of things "not seen " .
salvation and healing are the same thing ..in that ,they are both things we cannot do for ourselves .But God can and is willing .
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[Alithis]

The point of the matter is faith is 100%... Thomas was someone that walked with Jesus and when confronted with the resurrected Lord said I will not believe until... and didn't. That wasn't faith that said that, that was doubt... that is why we call him "Doubting Thomas".

You cannot say you have faith for healing when you question if it is God's will at any point. Walk by faith, not by sight. The two can be and often are at odds with each other. I have seen and heard great things from people who refused to believe they were NOT healed after receiving the laying on of hands and because of their faith in God and not faith in their sight, they were.

As Derek Prince said, "Leave the lamp plugged in. People will often doubt healing because they don't SEE results right away."

the way some talk , its like all they wish to do is encourage people that "God cant .." it is faithless,unedifying & unwholesome talk .
there is no perseverance in their words , no endurance they are filled with doubt and in wanting to justify that doubt they desire every one else become doubters with them .

 

[Souldier]

So you don't walk by faith? That scripture is all inclusive. You should walk by faith in ALL aspects of your life, not just the ones that are convenient or apply to Sunday AM's.

Beside, I am still waiting on you to show me where sickness and illness are the same as hardship and trouble as you referenced from Paul.

Just to amuse you in Luke 8 Jesus tells Jairus "Do not be afraid, only believe and she will be made well." This mans daughter just died. Reality said she is gone and not coming back, but Jesus said "walk by faith"...

That is one example. Now it is your turn

I think its important to understand the context of "walking by faith not sight" because that concept is often used by some preachers to teach about healing. However, walking by faith not sight seems to be about focusing on heaven and not things on the earth. So in a way when we focus on our life on earth and things like health then we are actually not walking by faith instead of sight, according to how scripture uses that phrase, because we are not focusing on heaven but instead on earthly things such as our health. THe Romans 8 scripture that i used seemed to be universal. It said "all things" and "nothing can separate us from Gods love" and "nothing on earth", so one can conclude that it may refer to all things on earth, even our health as well.

 

[franky67]

Then the disciples of John came to Him, asking, "Why do we and the Pharisees fast, but Your disciples do not fast?" And Jesus said to them, "The attendants of the bridegroom cannot mourn as long as the bridegroom is with them, can they? But the days will come when the bridegroom is taken away from them, and then they will fast (Matthew 9:14-15).

This clearly indicates that the disciples of Jesus did not fast while He was still with them in the flesh. So, if it is true that some demons don't come out except by prayer and fasting, does this mean that the disciples were not able to cast out some demons because they did not fast? This seems to contradict the statement of Jesus to them when He said, "I give you authority over all the power of the evil one" (Luke 10:19). Jesus never said that He gave them authority over the evil one, except those demons where they need to fast and pray.

I have the interlinear Greek-English New Testament, and verse 21 of Matthew 17 which refers to the prayer and fasting is missed out completely. The footnote says that it has been omitted in the Nestle text of the Greek New Testament which is a rendering of the original and most reliable manuscripts. The synoptic verse in Mark 9:29 does not mention fasting at all, it says that this kind of demon can only come out by prayer alone. I say that it would be the prayer of faith consisting in the command to "come out of him", using our authority in the Name of Jesus which demons have to obey. So, if a demon does not come out, it is more likely because of our lack of faith in the Name to cast it out.

The subject above in red came up in a recent bible study, and someone ask "What is the reason Christians fast ?"

The answer given then was "We fast in order to still our souls so we can see God more clearly."

The disciples didn't have any need to fast, God was standing before them in the flesh.

 

[Souldier]

with god all things are possible to them who believe .. show me the part where "ALL" is some ?
last night i went to the prayer meeting with a terrible headache ..it was so distracting . i asked those present to pray for me .. i had pain from my shoulder to my neck and throbbing into my head .
the pain in the shoulder and neck moved as they prayed and i only had the headache left..
also the spirit of god moved on me in intercessions i can describe .
i knew i was healed but the evidence (the head ache was till present what i could see and feel in the natural was present but not the truth the truth is i was healed . i went to bed later and awoke in the night and now what i could see and feel had changed to agree with the truth -The lord Jesus healed me .

faith in every form is standing on the eternal word of God ,never on the evidence in the natural realm ..it is the evidence of things hoped for the substance of things "not seen " .
salvation and healing are the same thing ..in that ,they are both things we cannot do for ourselves .But God can and is willing .
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Im referring specifically to the scriptures that teach us about walking by faith not sight. Im not talking about whether all things are possible with God. Its possible that God will give me a million dollars but its not promised. Timothy needed medication so even though it was possible for God to heal him, God didn't heal him.

 

[franky67]

Moses by faith had to just believe what God said, and go with it!


Moses did not want it, and the text says God caused illness too.


Ex 4:10 But Moses said to the Lord, “Oh, my Lord, I am not eloquent, either in the past or since you have spoken to your servant, but I am slow of speech and of tongue.” 11 Then the Lord said to him, “Who has made man's mouth? Who makes him mute, or deaf, or seeing, or blind? Is it not I, the Lord?

God Allowed these things to happen.

 

[Souldier]

the way some talk , its like all they wish to do is encourage people that "God cant .." it is faithless,unedifying & unwholesome talk .
there is no perseverance in their words , no endurance they are filled with doubt and in wanting to justify that doubt they desire every one else become doubters with them .

Im focusing on walking by faith not sight. This means that we dont worry about things on the earth, even our health. Sure we can consider those things and take steps to fix problems that we may face, but we dont allow things like that to keep us from walking by faith not sight. We also dont allow it to take our focus off of other things such as love and holiness. We can become distracted by the cares of this life and it can cause us to stumble on the path of faith by taking our focus off of things like peace, love and holiness. Walking by faith not sight is a whole different concept than miracles. Its about looking toward heaven that we dont see rather than earth that we do see.

 

[Souldier]

Imagine this. Pauls faith delivered him from the stonings that he endured. Yet Stephans faith didnt deliver him from his own stoning and he was killed. Was stephan not walking by faith but instead by sight? No, to the contrary, Stephan was walking by faith not sight because he was looking toward heaven as he asked God to forgive his enemies who were killing him. He was focused on going to be with Christ in heaven instead of being focused on earthly things.

 

[Souldier]

Preachers can rob us of the truth by not teaching these things correctly. They may fail to arm us with the mind that is ready to suffer, as peter teaches us to do. They may fail to prepare us for the true fight of faith by failing to prepare us for the woes of this life. The parable of the sower teaches us that we can become unfruitful if we let the cares of this life hinder us. THese preachers often misuse the scriptures. I once heard a prosperity preacher teach that the parable of the sower teaches us to sow our financial seeds in good ground, and he was saying that his ministry was good ground. That however is not what the parable of the sower is about, this preacher completely twisted its meaning. He robbed his listeners of a valuable teaching that can help us live more spiritually. These preachers rob us of true spiritualism and teach us instead to be carnal.

Didn't paul warn us that this would happen? Didnt he say that in the last days people will no longer endure sound doctrine but will instead heap to themselves many teachers? Do see why its important to study the scriptures for our self instead of following denominations and movements? The bible is the truth, but the truth is not necessarily a book written by a famous theologian or preacher.

 

[Merlin]

Was Timothy sick and needed healing when Paul advised wine for his stomach's sake? Aren't you reading into the scripture what isn't there?

The water was often contaminated and bad.
Paul told Timothy not to drink the water but rather drink wine instead.

 

[Souldier]

The water was often contaminated and bad.
Paul told Timothy not to drink the water but rather drink wine instead.

He said to stop drinking only water, he told him to drink a little wine as well. Drinking wine all the time would eat your liver away and cause other problems. What you have said is speculation. We are all speculating about Timothy's condition because we actually dont know what his infirmities were. The scriptures do however seem to indicate that timothy had multiple infirmities, not just one infirmity.

 

[Messy]

Didn't paul warn us that this would happen? Didnt he say that in the last days people will no longer endure sound doctrine but will instead heap to themselves many teachers?

Yes, but just because there were those who said: didn't we do many miracles in Your Name and He didn't know them, so there was no character building, obeying Him and knowing Him in an intimate relationship and staying in Him, doesn't mean that everyone who prays for healing focuses on wealth and walks after miracles without knowing Him. Jesus and the disciples did miracles too and He said we would do even bigger ones. It's not the most important thing, but some people only get saved when they see signs and wonders.