Some don't understand Romans 3:31. Here is a challenge.

[disciple1]

1 john chapter 1 verse 8
If anyone claims to be without sin they deceive themselves and the truth is not in them.
James chapter 2 verse 10
If anyone keeps the whole law yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.
No one keeps the law, galatians chapter 5 verse 6
the only thing that counts is faith expressing itself in love.
Hebrews chapter 7 verses 11,12 If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood for on the basis of it the law was given to the people why was there still need for another priest to come one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law.

verse 18 and 19 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless for the law made nothing perfect and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

 

[bugkiller]

Who is against the "ten commandments"? Murderers? Thiefs? Haters of parents? Haters of God? Haters of a day of rest?

My guess is you're calling us haters of God because we don't observe the 7th day Sabbath. Is that correct? Yes or no, please.

My opinion is I choose to believe God who said He would make a new covenant and Jesus (God) said its now in effect. All of which can be and is established as fact without reference to Paul's works that are so despised.

bugkiller

 

[yesyoushould]

My guess is you're calling us haters of God because we don't observe the 7th day Sabbath.

bugkiller

Who knows. Even Jesus says the ten commandments are good.

God isn't divided.

Moses is of God. Moses does God works. Jesus agrees.

Matthew 17: 3
And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.

 

[listed]

Who knows. Even Jesus says the ten commandments are good.

God isn't divided.

Moses is of God. Moses does God works. Jesus agrees.

Matthew 17: 3
And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.

You can keep your bondage if you like. I love the freedom in Jesus the Christ and the life He provided for. Seems to me you exclude even the Gospels as being of God. Your only quote is from them. I have no idea what it has to do with the thread or even support for your statement.

 

[Frogster]

You can keep your bondage if you like. I love the freedom in Jesus the Christ and the life He provided for. Seems to me you exclude even the Gospels as being of God. Your only quote is from them. I have no idea what it has to do with the thread or even support for your statement.

I thought the exact same thing!

 

[BobRyan]

Who knows. Even Jesus says the ten commandments are good.

God isn't divided.

Moses is of God. Moses does God works. Jesus agrees.

Matthew 17: 3
And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.

Amen. Excellent point.

 

[BobRyan]

please, you said this in post 88..


"This Romans 3 LAW is specifically the Ten Commandments as so many of even the pro-sunday scholars have affirmed."


please show me how 3:10-18, which were the Psalms, Isaiah, and Proverbs, were SPECIFICALLY the 10.

Simple clear post, simple clear question.

It has been explained a dozen times -- in the text you are carefully avoiding.

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[FONT=&quot]But the moral law does define what sin is for "Sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1John 3:4.


[FONT=&quot]Rom 7
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.


[FONT=&quot]Rom 3:
19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, [FONT=&quot]that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world[FONT=&quot] may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for[FONT=&quot] by the law is the knowledge of sin[FONT=&quot].
21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being [/FONT][FONT=&quot]witnessed by the Law and the Prophets[/FONT][FONT=&quot],

[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]2 Cor 3
7 But if the [/FONT][FONT=&quot]ministry of death, written and engraved on stones[/FONT][FONT=&quot], was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away

[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]And that Law is written on[FONT=&quot] tablets of stone.
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In Romans 4
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15 for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, there also is no sin.

Paul speaks about the Law - so also do many texts in the "Law and the Prophets" - but Passover does not condemn all the world for violation of it.

The Moral LAW of God - does.

And Paul is specific that this Law that condemns is written on stone.

It is the same law then that we "ESTABLISH" in Rom 3:31 "Do we then make void the LAW by our faith? God forbid! in fact we ESTABLISH the LAW"
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[BobRyan]

I think the confusion that some may have is that they think the Bible texts I am posting should force them to change their minds. I am not arguing against anyone's right to believe whatever they wish.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[yesyoushould]

You can keep your bondage if you like..

listed, your trying to keep me in bondage? God set's me free.

I am sure your unable to hear me.

 

[yesyoushould]

I thought the exact same thing!

About Jesus, or lie's against a brother in God?

 

[yesyoushould]

Please do not murder me with hatred. God is one. If you can truly love all, you have at least glimpsed upon the beauty of God.

 

[yesyoushould]

I think the confusion that some may have is that they think the Bible texts I am posting should force them to change their minds. I am not arguing against anyone's right to believe whatever they wish.

in Christ,

Bob

To part from sin can be tough for some. It can be addictive for those who rejoice in sin, to try and justify sin. As the scripture says, our family in God have spoken and written for all to profit in God. Goodness and mercy. Love and truth. God is all we have. God is all.

 

[listed]

To part from sin can be tough for some. It can be addictive for those who rejoice in sin, to try and justify sin. As the scripture says, our family in God have spoken and written for all to profit in God. Goodness and mercy. Love and truth. God is all we have. God is all.

What sin are you talking about? And who is rejoicing in or about personal sin?

 

[listed]

Please do not murder me with hatred. God is one. If you can truly love all, you have at least glimpsed upon the beauty of God.

Are you really trying to manipulate others into taking your view point as their own and calling that loving you? Love can also say no. Love also punishes. Your idea seems to be love only says yes. This is impossible because saying yes to you is say no to others. So quit jerking our legs.

 

[listed]

Who knows. Even Jesus says the ten commandments are good.

God isn't divided.

Moses is of God. Moses does God works. Jesus agrees.

Matthew 17: 3
And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.

How does anything in your post related to what bugkiller said?

 

[listed]

Amen. Excellent point.

What point?

 

[listed]

It has been explained a dozen times -- in the text you are carefully avoiding.

#194

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[FONT=&quot]It was ex[FONT=&quot]plained "sola scriptura" i[FONT=&quot]n the texts you [FONT=&quot]are avo[FONT=&quot]iding.​

[/FONT]

[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]But the moral law does define what sin is for "Sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1John 3:4.


[FONT=&quot]Rom 7
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.


[FONT=&quot]Rom 3:
19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, [FONT=&quot]that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world[FONT=&quot] may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for[FONT=&quot] by the law is the knowledge of sin[FONT=&quot].
21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being [/FONT][FONT=&quot]witnessed by the Law and the Prophets[/FONT][FONT=&quot],

[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]2 Cor 3
7 But if the [/FONT][FONT=&quot]ministry of death, written and engraved on stones[/FONT][FONT=&quot], was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away

[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]And that Law is written on[FONT=&quot] tablets of stone.
[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
In Romans 4
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15 for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, there also is no sin.

Paul speaks about the Law - so also do many texts in the "Law and the Prophets" - but Passover does not condemn all the world for violation of it.

The Moral LAW of God - does.

And Paul is specific that this Law that condemns is written on stone.

It is the same law then that we "ESTABLISH" in Rom 3:31 "Do we then make void the LAW by our faith? God forbid! in fact we ESTABLISH the LAW"
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Your refusal to acknowledge the content of our posts and respond to content does not establish your point.

 

[listed]

I think the confusion that some may have is that they think the Bible texts I am posting should force them to change their minds. I am not arguing against anyone's right to believe whatever they wish.

in Christ,

Bob

Why are you presenting them? Surely it isn't to change our minds.

The force part comes into play when it is clear what you are wanting and demanding of others. It has nothing to do with being physical.

 

[listed]

listed, your trying to keep me in bondage? God set's me free.

I am sure your unable to hear me.

Interesting that you would imply freedom is bondage. The invitation to the party has been extended to you several times and you refuse to come. Oh well not my problem. We like the party (life).

 

[BobRyan]

It has been explained a dozen times -- in the text you are carefully avoiding.

#194

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[FONT=&quot]It was ex[FONT=&quot]plained "sola scriptura" i[FONT=&quot]n the texts you [FONT=&quot]are avo[FONT=&quot]iding.​

[/FONT]

[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]But the moral law does define what sin is for "Sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1John 3:4.


[FONT=&quot]Rom 7
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.


[FONT=&quot]Rom 3:
19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, [FONT=&quot]that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world[FONT=&quot] may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for[FONT=&quot] by the law is the knowledge of sin[FONT=&quot].
21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being [/FONT][FONT=&quot]witnessed by the Law and the Prophets[/FONT][FONT=&quot],

[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]2 Cor 3
7 But if the [/FONT][FONT=&quot]ministry of death, written and engraved on stones[/FONT][FONT=&quot], was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away

[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]And that Law is written on[FONT=&quot] tablets of stone.
[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
In Romans 4
[/FONT]
15 for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, there also is no sin.

Paul speaks about the Law - so also do many texts in the "Law and the Prophets" - but Passover does not condemn all the world for violation of it.

The Moral LAW of God - does.

And Paul is specific that this Law that condemns is written on stone.

It is the same law then that we "ESTABLISH" in Rom 3:31 "Do we then make void the LAW by our faith? God forbid! in fact we ESTABLISH the LAW"
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I think the confusion that some may have is that they think the Bible texts I am posting should force them to change their minds. I am not arguing against anyone's right to believe whatever they wish.

Why are you presenting them? Surely it isn't to change our minds

Indeed - I present the Bible texts above for those readers that are interested in what the Bible says on the subject.

in Christ,

Bob