Some don't understand Romans 3:31. Here is a challenge.

[BobRyan]

So your against murder? Who isn't? " Thou shalt not murder." What is wrong with the law of God? Who knows?

Paul says there is nothing at all wrong with it in Romans 7.

 

[Frogster]

Paul says there is nothing at all wrong with it in Romans 7.

other than sin used the command, the command aroused sin the...oh nevermind, judt read my siggy.

 

[Frogster]

Word can be used as a way to get an advantage of others. Accusing that's we're saying it's OK to murder is satan's a plot to confuse the facts.

Roman 2 and 3 teaches about how God will judge the world.
It explains that that will judge both those with and without the law by sin not by law.
12 For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law



Those who feel that law is God's standard of judgment fail to understand the doctrine of God's Judgment as established in Roman 2&3.
If any man breaks the law, by the standard of the law, he should die, because there is no gray area in the law.
Forgiveness of sins is God's plan to save the world. If you're pursuing righteousness by trying to keep the law, that's you. But when you judge others by the law, you subject yourself to condemnation by the law. (Rom 2:1-5)

Within this context, we learn that all men have sinned and fall short of God glory. (Rom 3:23)
We learn that the law only give us knowledge of sin (Rom 3:20)
What this mean is the law is only a listing of things not to break. It's similar to a boxing announcer saying: "and Fraizer throws a punch to the neck." His voice only bring attention to the action. Without or before the voice of the law, sin was always an option.

Paul teaches that sin was in the world before the law. Some rather take John out of context and claim the premise that sin is transgression of the law.

Paul reveals that if God everlasting promise to Abraham had a condition of keeping the law, then Jesus died in vain.

These scriptures below reinforce some facts above..........
Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
Gal 3:19 ¶ Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Gal 3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

Gal 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

Keep in mind the scripture does not conclude that we're all under law. It say we're all under for sin..........

God bless.

Good stuff!

I loved the frazier Ali fight!

 

[BobRyan]

other than sin used the command, the command aroused sin the...oh nevermind, judt read my siggy.

"Where there is no law - there is no sin" Romans 4.

"Sin IS transgression of the Law" 1John 3:4.

The LAW condemns all the world and defines sin - Romans 3:19-22

"Do we then make void the LAW by our faith? God forbid!! in fact we ESTABLISH the LAW" Rom 3:31

"what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1Cor 7:19

The saints are know as those who "KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Frogster]

"Where there is no law - there is no sin" Romans 4.

"Sin IS transgression of the Law" 1John 3:4.

The LAW condemns all the world and defines sin - Romans 3:19-22

"Do we then make void the LAW by our faith? God forbid!! in fact we ESTABLISH the LAW" Rom 3:31

"what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1Cor 7:19

The saints are know as those who "KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

in Christ,

Bob

but did you read the clear facts of my siggy?

 

[bugkiller]

Word can be used as a way to get an advantage of others. Accusing that's we're saying it's OK to murder is satan's a plot to confuse the facts.

Roman 2 and 3 teaches about how God will judge the world.
It explains that that will judge both those with and without the law by sin not by law.
12 For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law



Those who feel that law is God's standard of judgment fail to understand the doctrine of God's Judgment as established in Roman 2&3.
If any man breaks the law, by the standard of the law, he should die, because there is no gray area in the law.
Forgiveness of sins is God's plan to save the world. If you're pursuing righteousness by trying to keep the law, that's you. But when you judge others by the law, you subject yourself to condemnation by the law. (Rom 2:1-5)

Within this context, we learn that all men have sinned and fall short of God glory. (Rom 3:23)
We learn that the law only give us knowledge of sin (Rom 3:20)
What this mean is the law is only a listing of things not to break. It's similar to a boxing announcer saying: "and Fraizer throws a punch to the neck." His voice only bring attention to the action. Without or before the voice of the law, sin was always an option.

Paul teaches that sin was in the world before the law. Some rather take John out of context and claim the premise that sin is transgression of the law.

Paul reveals that if God everlasting promise to Abraham had a condition of keeping the law, then Jesus died in vain.

These scriptures below reinforce some facts above..........
Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
Gal 3:19 ¶ Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Gal 3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

Gal 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

Keep in mind the scripture does not conclude that we're all under law. It say we're all under for sin..........

God bless.

bugkiller

 

[Section10]

I'm not able to understand this emphasis for the law. I can pretty much remember when I became a Christian, but I cannot remember when I became an old testament Jew. Scripture says even Jesus broke the Sabbath, so what's the big deal? When Moses came off the mountain my ancestors weren't there promising to obey anything. They were off in northern Europe worshipping trees or rocks. I have no historic connection to Moses and his law.

 

[Frogster]

I'm not able to understand this emphasis for the law. I can pretty much remember when I became a Christian, but I cannot remember when I became an old testament Jew. Scripture says even Jesus broke the Sabbath, so what's the big deal? When Moses came off the mountain my ancestors weren't there promising to obey anything. They were off in northern Europe worshipping trees or rocks. I have no historic connection to Moses and his law.

Thank you, welcome aboard!

The law was never given to the gentiles.

 

[Cribstyl]

I'm not able to understand this emphasis for the law. I can pretty much remember when I became a Christian, but I cannot remember when I became an old testament Jew. Scripture says even Jesus broke the Sabbath, so what's the big deal? When Moses came off the mountain my ancestors weren't there promising to obey anything. They were off in northern Europe worshipping trees or rocks. I have no historic connection to Moses and his law.

You're hook on phonics for sure. The term Gentiles is defines 99% of the world.

 

[Gerhard Ebersöhn]

Re: <<<"Where there is no law - there is no sin" Romans 4.>>>

Were there no Jesus Christ there would have been no sin. Do I now make Jesus Christ, sin? God forbid! On the contrary, I establish Jesus Christ.

 

[Cribstyl]

Re: <<<"Where there is no law - there is no sin" Romans 4.>>>

Were there no Jesus Christ there would have been no sin. Do I now make Jesus Christ, sin? God forbid! On the contrary, I establish Jesus Christ.

This makes sense to you?

 

[Gerhard Ebersöhn]

This makes sense to you?

...experience... when you have seen the futility of Law... Yes!

 

[Frogster]

Re: <<<"Where there is no law - there is no sin" Romans 4.>>>

Were there no Jesus Christ there would have been no sin. Do I now make Jesus Christ, sin? God forbid! On the contrary, I establish Jesus Christ.

law in Rom 4:15 was the code, because it speaks of transgression, the violation of a written known law. So that law is gone, the code id over, it is 2015!

 

[BobRyan]

Paul reveals that if God everlasting promise to Abraham had a condition of keeping the law, then Jesus died in vain.

These scriptures below reinforce some facts above..........
Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
Gal 3:19 ¶ Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Gal 3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

Gal 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

Keep in mind the scripture does not conclude that we're all under law. It say we're all under for sin..........

Not quite true (As has been repeatedly proven)

[FONT=&quot]Rom 3:
19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, [/FONT][FONT=&quot]that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world[/FONT][FONT=&quot] may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for[/FONT][FONT=&quot] by the law is the knowledge of sin[/FONT][FONT=&quot].
21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being [/FONT][FONT=&quot]witnessed by the Law and the Prophets[/FONT][FONT=&quot],
...

(So then the moral law of God is being affirmed by all of scripture "the Law and the Prophets")

29 Or is He the God of the Jews only? Is He not also the God of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also, 30 since there is one God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. 31[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]

Which I think even you will admit is not simply the Psalms - but the TEN Commandments written on stone the "LAW of death" as Paul calls it in 2Cor 3.

2 Cor 3
7 But if the [/FONT][FONT=&quot]ministry of death, written and engraved on stones[/FONT][FONT=&quot], was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
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Rom 7
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.[/FONT]

 

[BobRyan]

In other words Bob, after we settle this point, about the rom 3 mistake, I will go point by point, not post by post, because aome posts may have several points in them, or verses out of context, so for clarity, I will go point by point, one point one at a time, that's even better for us both, then we can resolve all issues.

This will make for a more friendly cohesive chat.

I don't see a mistake in Romans 3, or in my quote of it, or in my statements about it - but I will keep going back before your post above to see if you found one.

[FONT=&quot]See the post above for the list of texts that de[FONT=&quot]bunk that[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]

 

[BobRyan]

Bob, before we go further, what about how you said in post 88, that it was the 10 commandments in Rom 3, while you quoted 3:19, which is clearly not about the 10? Again, this is contradictory, after you settle this mistake, I will proceed on your new posts.

Please see my next post, before answering, thanks!

I proved that the LAW that defines sin and condemns all the world in Romans 3:19-31 is the TEN Commandments "written on stone" the ministry of death - defining sin in Rom 3 and Romans 7 and condemning all the world.

(I could repeat the texts so often given to prove this just as they are stated in the post right above this in linear mode - but will spare the reader.)

 

[BobRyan]

law in Rom 4:15 was the code, because it speaks of transgression, the violation of a written known law. So that law is gone, the code id over, it is 2015!

Romans 3 does not say "the world used to be condemned" by the Ten commandments - but rather - still is.

 

[yesyoushould]

Did I say otherwise?

Where have you read that keeping the law of God isn't by grace?

 

[yesyoushould]

Romans 3 does not say "the world used to be condemned" by the Ten commandments - but rather - still is.

I think the Ten commandments are good. I think as a Christian, it is part of being a Christian, it is just the way a Christian is.

Of course we don't brow beat it upon people that go against it, the gospels teach us to not force ourselves onto others.

 

[yesyoushould]

There is nothing wrong with the law of God. There is nothing wrong with the Ten Commandments. It is just because we have a New Covenant that does not include them as an obligation.

I think I understand what you are saying. We do not intend to do wrong, but God is merciful and understands and forgives and we seek to be in His presence.