Ten Commandments still valid so says Bible and pro-Sunday Scholars

[BobRyan]

What are those scholars really saying? Do they do as you say they preach and observe the law? Nope! So what are they really saying?

bugkiller

Here is another example

- D.L. Moody notices that some are opposed to the Sabbath Commandment - but notice how this sermon on the TEN Commandments also fits the summary of 7 points listed here on page 1??

BY THE
DWIGHT L. MOODY​

The Ten Commandments:
Exodus 20:2-17 ​

.
The Fourth Commandment

​

Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the LORD made heaven and Earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath Day, and hallowed it.​

[FONT=&quot]THERE HAS BEEN an awful letting-down in this country regarding the Sabbath during the last twenty-five years, and many a man has been shorn of spiritual power, like Samson, because he is not straight on this question. Can you say that you observe the Sabbath properly? You may be a professed Christian: are you obeying this commandment? Or do you neglect the house of God on the Sabbath day, and spend your time drinking and carousing in places of vice and crime, showing contempt for God and His law? Are you ready to step into the scales? Where were you last Sabbath? How did you spend it?

I honestly believe that this commandment is just as binding today as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated, but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it. When Christ was on earth, He did nothing to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." (Mark 2:27) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was[/FONT][FONT=&quot]- in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age.

The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word remember, showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote this law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?

I believe that the Sabbath question today is a vital one for the whole country. It is the burning question of the present time. If you give up the Sabbath the church goes; [/FONT]

 

[bugkiller]

Here is another example

Why do you refuse to comment about the quote I've posted in response to this?

bugkiller

 

[yesyoushould]

Why do you refuse to comment about the quote I've posted in response to this?

bugkiller

What quote is that Mr. bugkiller sir? Sorry for interrupting.

 

[bugkiller]

What quote is that Mr. bugkiller sir? Sorry for interrupting.

Read the forum.

bugkiller

 

[yesyoushould]

Read the forum.

bugkiller

Im sure it isn't that important.

 

[bugkiller]

Im sure it isn't that important.

Yes not important enough for you to read the forum. Sorry if this sounds snotty.

bugkiller

 

[yesyoushould]

Yes not important enough for you to read the forum. Sorry if this sounds snotty.

bugkiller

I'm sorry for interfering.

 

[Cribstyl]

Why do you refuse to comment about the quote I've posted in response to this?

bugkiller

Bob Ryan rather cite men in authoritative positions to show that some agrees in part with his brand of Christianity.
The Holy Spirit has put no other foundation but the Gospel as the common thread that binds Churches and true believers.

The Catholic Church had made keeping the ten commandments a necessary tool to judge confessions. This also allowed them to mediate sins and receive indulgences. That error followed the reformation.
Truth is: If we're under the New Covenant "We're not under the law".

 

[Steeno7]

I never claim that Jesus is arguing against Paul in 1Cor 7:19

Rather I show Jesus strongly affirming Paul's point in Mark 7:6-13


"You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to Me to have life." John 5:39-41

Mark 7 is an example in real life of Christ applying the John 5 principle.

And Paul agrees in 1Cor 7:19

I'm talking about the living Lord and Savior who has come to dwell in those who are His, and all you want to talk about is that which has testified of His coming. He has come, He has died and He has risen to life. He is not words in a book, He is He who the book exists to point you to.

By clinging to the shadows you have missed the Reality, Jesus Christ.

 

[bugkiller]

Bob Ryan rather cite men in authoritative positions to show that some agrees in part with his brand of Christianity.
The Holy Spirit has put no other foundation but the Gospel as the common thread that binds Churches and true believers.

The Catholic Church had made keeping the ten commandments a necessary tool to judge confessions. This also allowed them to mediate sins and receive indulgences. That error followed the reformation.
Truth is: If we're under the New Covenant "We're not under the law".

I don't think he's figured out a way to get around the quote response I gave him from the same web site.

bugkiller

 

[disciple1]

Galatians chapter 5 verse 6
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.


So you no longer have to obey any commands just love because of your faith and have your faith express itself in love.
Love is greater than faith or the commandments.

 

[Cribstyl]

Galatians chapter 5 verse 6
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.


So you no longer have to obey any commands just love because of your faith and have your faith express itself in love.
Love is greater than faith or the commandments.

Hmmm still not sure where you stand.

We're to do whatever Christ commands, He is our Lord and Savior.
His Church was built on the foundation of what the apostles preached.

His disciple was to wait for the Holy Spirit to reveal and teach them the great commission.

He chose Paul with the one true gospel of the church.

By walking in the Spirit we're not under the law of sin and death.

 

[bugkiller]

Hmmm still not sure where you stand.

We're to do whatever Christ commands, He is our Lord and Savior.
His Church was built on the foundation of what the apostles preached.

His disciple was to wait for the Holy Spirit to reveal and teach them the great commission.

He chose Paul with the one true gospel of the church.

By walking in the Spirit we're not under the law of sin and death.

I'm thinking its just poor wording.

bugkiller

 

[Gerhard Ebersöhn]

............
So you no longer have to obey any commands just love because of your faith and have your faith express itself in love.
Love is greater than faith or the commandments.

"Love God" is the "greatest Commandment" --- the absolute impossible Commandment --- the only Commandment of God NEVER kept.

Jesus died not because man never kept the Sabbath; He died because man NEVER LOVED GOD WITH HIS WHOLE HEART.

 

[bugkiller]

"Love God" is the "greatest Commandment" --- the absolute impossible Commandment --- the only Commandment of God NEVER kept.

Jesus died not because man never kept the Sabbath; He died because man NEVER LOVED GOD WITH HIS WHOLE HEART.

Agreed!

bugkiller

 

[BobRyan]

I believe it is safe to say that there has been some genuine interest in going back to the links for the documents on the first two pages and reading from those documents in-depth.

I have updated all the quoted material on the first two pages of this thread so you can use them for a reference - and can go to the secondary source sites and do in-depth study of the material. I think this will benefit everyone --

(and interestingly enough - my quote button on CF seems to be working today... )

And of course D.L. Moody from the first page - just click the name in the post to get to the secondary source.

- D.L. Moody notices that some are opposed to the Sabbath Commandment - but notice how this sermon on the TEN Commandments also fits the summary of 7 points listed here on page 1??

BY THE
[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]DWIGHT L. MOODY[/FONT][/FONT]​

The Ten Commandments:
Exodus 20:2-17 ​

.
The Fourth Commandment

​

Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the LORD made heaven and Earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath Day, and hallowed it.​

[FONT=&quot]THERE HAS BEEN an awful letting-down in this country regarding the Sabbath during the last twenty-five years, and many a man has been shorn of spiritual power, like Samson, because he is not straight on this question. Can you say that you observe the Sabbath properly? You may be a professed Christian: are you obeying this commandment? Or do you neglect the house of God on the Sabbath day, and spend your time drinking and carousing in places of vice and crime, showing contempt for God and His law? Are you ready to step into the scales? Where were you last Sabbath? How did you spend it?

I honestly believe that this commandment is just as binding today as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated, but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it. When Christ was on earth, He did nothing to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." (Mark 2:27) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was[/FONT][FONT=&quot]- in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age.

The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word remember, showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote this law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?

I believe that the Sabbath question today is a vital one for the whole country. It is the burning question of the present time. If you give up the Sabbath the church goes; [/FONT]

 

[Cribstyl]

I agree that this thread is appropriate for staging this argument.
This perspective should not dominate within all threads topics.

 

[BobRyan]

This thread addresses a great many points - specifically in the list of 7 points - and these points are foundational to the entire discussion of the Sabbath and the Law.

So it should not be "too surprising" that the compelling answers to those common questions are being given -- even though those common questions come up all over the place. It is merely asking yet another question related to the same compelling solution when posted that way.

1. Ask question A -- compelling answer A' is given as is shown in the first 2-3 pages here.

2.Switch to question B - compelling answer B' is given as is shown in the first 2-3 pages here.

3. So someone might then start a new thread and ask question A again.. as if A' (though A' is irrefutable) cannot be posted as the answer, because that irrefutable answer was previously posted somewhere else.

 

[bugkiller]

This thread addresses a great many points - specifically in the list of 7 points - and these points are foundational to the entire discussion of the Sabbath and the Law.

So it should not be "too surprising" that the compelling answers to those common questions are being given -- even though those common questions come up all over the place. It is merely asking yet another question related to the same compelling solution when posted that way.

1. Ask question A -- compelling answer A' is given as is shown in the first 2-3 pages here.

2.Switch to question B - compelling answer B' is given as is shown in the first 2-3 pages here.

3. So someone might then start a new thread and ask question A again.. as if A' (though A' is irrefutable) cannot be posted as the answer, because that irrefutable answer was previously posted somewhere else.

Compelling? For who? You? Certainly not me beside a some others here.

bugkiller

 

[BobRyan]

Everyone is free to differ or have whatever opinion they wish. But as we saw with the "Baptist Confession of Faith" and "D.L. Moody" and the "Westminster Confession of Faith" and the CCC and ... (so many others ...) this point about the Ten Commandments still applicable to the saints today - just as in the OT they were binding on all mankind, the moral law of God, written on the heart under the NEW Covenant etc... is so obvious that it is not just the pro-Sabbath pro-seventh day Christians that accept the bible texts pointing out this fact - but even the majority of pro-Sunday scholars!

A point - that so far has proven to be irrefutable.

So then the 7 point list deals with aspects of the topic that come up all over the place on this board.

As we saw them listed on page 1

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6 of the 7 are actually common ground between Sabbath keeping and Sunday keeping Christians.


1. That the Sabbath Commandment is first given to mankind in Gen 2:1-3
2. That all mankind was obligated by the TEN commandments in the OT and to this very day.
3. That the seventh day as the Sabbath was Saturday the seventh day of the week from Gen 2:1-3 until NT times - including at the cross.
4. That the Ten Commandments are the moral Law of God
5. That the moral law of God is written on the heart under the New Covenant
6. that the Ten Commandments as the moral law of God are in no way opposed to grace and the Gospel.
7. That the Sabbath commandment can rightly be BENT by man-made-tradition to point to week-day-1 after the cross.

I agree with 6 out of 7 as listed above - and yet many who post against God's TEN commandments object to all of the points listed above. And sometimes they will even go on to complain that so many of the points above are in agreement with my position and opposed to the war-against-the-Ten-Commandments position.

in Christ,

Bob