Why does everyone hate Mary so much?

[Rhamiel]

I missed this part of your post when I replied earlier where I need to say that I totally reject the non-Biblical notion that Mary is supposed to by my (or anyone elses) mother; she is no more important than any othe Believing woman who is found in the New Testament.

do you ever refer to Abraham as "Father Abraham"?

 

[Cackles]

do you ever refer to Abraham as "Father Abraham"?

If I'm a bride of Christ, then my father is the Father. My mother is Mary.

If I'm a brother of Christ, then my father is the Father. My mother is Mary.

If I'm born again, then my mother becomes Mary, and My father is the Father (wow thats a good one for various reasons).

 

[rockytopva]

If I'm a bride of Christ, then my father is the Father. My mother is Mary.

If I'm a brother of Christ, then my father is the Father. My mother is Mary.

If I'm born again, then my mother becomes Mary, and My father is the Father (wow thats a good one for various reasons).

Well then.. What do you make of this scripture...

47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother. - Matthew 12

 

[Albion]

If I'm a bride of Christ, then my father is the Father. My mother is Mary.

If I'm a brother of Christ, then my father is the Father. My mother is Mary.

If I'm born again, then my mother becomes Mary,

...only if you're determined that Christ was wrong when speaking to Nicodemus who similarly thought that being born again had to refer to another passage through the birth canal rather than a spiritual transformation.

 

[Thekla]

...only if you're determined that Christ was wrong when speaking to Nicodemus who similarly thought that being born again had to refer to another passage through the birth canal rather than a spiritual transformation.

No, this is typically meant in a spiritual sense (and is related also to what Christ Himself stated).

 

[Rhamiel]

Well then.. What do you make of this scripture...

47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother. - Matthew 12

Jesus was in a clannish culture, they were focused on nationality and family relation

Jesus needs to break the Jews of this misguided notion

so Jesus shows the connection between believers

now, this does not mean that Jesus came to do away with respect for family, Honor Your Father And Mother has not been struck from the 10 Commandments

so the relationship between believers is the relationship between family members

Now, Mary is doubly blessed
being part of the Family of Christ by blood/natural means
and being part of the Family of Christ by being a fellow believer
Luke 1:46-55
46 And Mary said “My soul proclaims the greatness of the Lord;
47 my spirit rejoices in God my savior.
48 For he has looked upon his handmaid’s lowliness;
behold, from now on will all ages call me blessed.
49 The Mighty One has done great things for me,
and holy is his name.
50 His mercy is from age to age
to those who fear him.
51 He has shown might with his arm,
dispersed the arrogant of mind and heart.
52 He has thrown down the rulers from their thrones
but lifted up the lowly.
53 The hungry he has filled with good things;
the rich he has sent away empty.
54 He has helped Israel his servant,
remembering his mercy,
55 according to his promise to our fathers,
to Abraham and to his descendants forever.”

 

[PreachersWife2004]

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[Standing Up]

If I'm a bride of Christ, then my father is the Father. My mother is Mary.
-snip-

Not really.

Gal. 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

IOW, you're born again, which is different from Mary giving birth to Christ.

 

[Metal Minister]

Not really.

Gal. 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

IOW, you're born again, which is different from Mary giving birth to Christ.

Of course the Bride of Christ is all believers, not that we are all brides of Christ as well. We are all parts of the body and Jesus is our head. Mary is as much a part of that body as any other believer.

 

[Thekla]

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And, just in case people don't realize what the Mariology forum is for:

The Mariology and Hagiography forum is for discussing and debating the various theological doctrines concerning Mary and the Saints.
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Reference to my posts ( now removed) should easily demonstrate that there was an absence of "ranting". Engaging in a dialogue about the matter, and in relation to the impression iterated by the op, is part of how we discover more fully the views of others and engage in further investigation of our own. Is not discussion between 'all sorts' of Christians on a wide variety of issues part of the purpose of CF ? I find it concerning that dialogue on potential structural expressions of the matter at hand ("the medium is the message") are disallowed when indeed they are related to the concern of the op.

 

[stray bullet]

Yet He was fully God since eternity past. Therefore He pre-exists Mary, therefore she cannot be His actual mother.

So what are you saying, Mary is not the mother of Jesus?

Did Jesus just appear on Earth?

 

[stray bullet]

About all the Mariology doctrines, why don't we read about any of them in the NT as written by His chosen apostles??

All of them are added later.

What specifically are you referring?

We have warnings from the Lord's chosen apostles about those who will come after them who are going to teach false doctrines to the church.

You mean like the protestants did in the 16th Century?

 

[stray bullet]

I don't know, do you even know what the Gnostic gospels say about Mary?
Infacy Gospel

Are you being random?

 

[Thekla]

Yet He was fully God since eternity past. Therefore He pre-exists Mary, therefore she cannot be His actual mother.

Instead, He created His mother. In the "east" at least, we understand that there are two "categories" - created and Uncreated. As I noted before, this is amply present in our hymnography and teaching ... that Mary is a creature and Jesus Christ is the pre-eternal Logos incarnate. So yes, even my children at a young age recognized this paradox of the Incarnation. If you'd like, I can re-post a hymn on the matter that makes this clear.

Mary is the mother of Jesus Christ, for Mary conceived and carried in her womb the Godman.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

Instead, He created His mother. In the "east" at least, we understand that there are two "categories" - created and Uncreated. As I noted before, this is amply present in our hymnography and teaching ... that Mary is a creature and Jesus Christ is the pre-eternal Logos incarnate. So yes, even my children at a young age recognized this paradox of the Incarnation. If you'd like, I can re-post a hymn on the matter that makes this clear.

Mary is the mother of Jesus Christ, for Mary conceived and carried in her womb the Godman.

..."begotten of His Father before all worlds".

 

[Thekla]

..."begotten of His Father before all worlds".

 

[Metal Minister]

So what are you saying, Mary is not the mother of Jesus?

Did Jesus just appear on Earth?

I have to infer from this post that you do not understand the hypostatic union....

 

[Metal Minister]

Are you being random?

You brought up gnosticism. I'm showing you your error. A good deal of what is believed of Mary now is derived from these writings. Please read them if you wish to actually understand.

 

[Metal Minister]

Can we please put to rest this farce that unless you're falling all over yourself in your language about Mary, you hate her? It's really insulting.

 

[Thekla]

I don't know, do you even know what the Gnostic gospels say about Mary?
Infacy Gospel

The Gnostic "Gospels" in general have overlap/s with the NT Gospels; that does not mean everything in the NT Gospels is false.

Likewise, the Gnostic Gospels can utilize what is common knowledge or doctrine without rendering those things false in themselves.