Why does everyone hate Mary so much?

[Albion]

please note in my post #117, I wrote: I know you "do not" [ hate the Blessed Mother Mary ]

OK. We're dismantling the claim of everybody hating Mary, one by one.

So who DOES hate Mary--anyone who does not take care to refer to her as "Blessed Mother Mary" (which, by the way, is a rather unusual term to be using, even among Catholics)?

It's normally "Blessed Virgin Mary," sooooooo? Well, I just have to wonder.

 

[bbbbbbb]

OK. We're dismantling the claim of everybody hating Mary, one by one.

So who DOES hate Mary--anyone who does not take care to refer to her as "Blessed Mother Mary" (which, by the way, is a rather unusual term to be using, even among Catholics)?

It's normally "Blessed Virgin Mary," sooooooo? Well, I just have to wonder.

The Bible seems to be missing all sorts of titles and appellations that later Christians attach to various individuals. For example, something as innocuous as "saint" is never used as a title for an individual. We never see Paul being called or calling himself Saint Paul, although there is no doubt that he is definitely a saint.

 

[topcare]

I've been at CF for 10 years.... and ONE of the things that has always frustrated me about this unique site is the "double standard" that is not only perpetuated but defended: Catholics post about how we all HATE Mary - and that's just wonderful, defended, kind, just, right, fair - to say people HATE her.... no need to defend it as true, because Catholics "FEEL" that and so it's good to say it, no matter how offensive, hurtful, flaming that may be. But if some Protestant were to post that all Catholics HATE Mary or Jesus or..... my, my, my. This "Catholics exempt" policy has been in place for years, this double standard is well entrenched.

I LOVE Mary with all my heart. MANY, MANY Protestants do. Insisting that we all specifically all HATE her is not only an outright lie (which no Catholic seems to care about - at least to state) but is intensely hurtful (which no Catholic seems to care about - at least to state). Catholics too often SCREAM about their hurt feelings, about "hurtful" and offensive things said to them..... but it seems to be all one-way. "Do unto me the opposite of what I do to others" appears to be the rubric. And has been for most of the past 10 years here at CF. And Staff has defended that.

Oh, well.....



Sorry....


- Josiah





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While Evangelicals and other Protestants may not say outright they hate the Blessed Mother the way they apporach the topic shows how deep their contempt goes for her, actions speak louder than words. While you all may give lip service that you don't hate our Blessed Mother Mary the way you post speaks louder than the words you post

 

[James Is Back]

While Evangelicals and other Protestants may not say outright they hate the Blessed Mother the way they apporach the topic shows how deep their contempt goes for her, actions speak louder than words. While you all may give lip service that you don't hate our Blessed Mother Mary the way you post speaks louder than the words you post

Are you saying just because Protestants don't say the Hail Mary or pray to her we hate her because of that?

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

Why is it that non-Catholics on this forum disregard Holy Scripture and refuse to address Christ's mother as " Blessed Mary "?

She has always been either "Blessed Virgin Mary" or St. Mary to me. Our Lutheran Confessions refer to her the same way and call her "ever virgin".

 

[topcare]

Are you saying just because Protestants don't say the Hail Mary or pray to her we hate her because of that?

No I am saying the way some Protestants talk about her and the lack of respect shows their hatred. Phrases such as "mere vessel", "earthly mother", etc show the contempt and hatred

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

No I am saying the way some Protestants talk about her and the lack of respect shows their hatred. Phrases such as "mere vessel", "earthly mother", etc show the contempt and hatred

She has always been either "Blessed Virgin Mary" or St. Mary to me. Our Lutheran Confessions refer to her the same way and call her "ever virgin".

By the way, our confessions also call her "Mother of God" and "Mother of our Lord".

 

[topcare]

By the way, our confessions also call her "Mother of God" and "Mother of our Lord".

Don't misunderstand I don't mean all Protestants just some. Mainly those that are not Liturgical or those that are low Church

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

No I am saying the way some Protestants talk about her and the lack of respect shows their hatred. Phrases such as "mere vessel", "earthly mother", etc show the contempt and hatred

I think you are confusing refusal to pray to her with lack of respect. I think that while some protestants may have some hate they should not have, it is seldom, if ever, directed at Mary; instead it is directed at church traditions that give Mary a veneration they feel go beyond what should be given to a normal human being such as Mary. Its not Mary, its you, not that such hate is ever justified.

 

[Albion]

No I am saying the way some Protestants talk about her and the lack of respect shows their hatred. Phrases such as "mere vessel", "earthly mother", etc show the contempt and hatred

IMO, people who make wildly illogical connections and exaggerations do not wind up driving their point home, (as they suppose they're doing) but instead cause them to look nonsensical.

If you had a credible reason for thinking that there are some people, somewhere, who actually do view Mary with "contempt and hatred," we'd of course be willing to know how to recognize that fact. No one has produced any yet, so it would certainly be "news" worth reading.

 

[rockytopva]

Where... Where in scripture do we have commandment to pray or do homage to the Holy Mother Mary

55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?
56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things? - Matthew 13:55-56

The Virgin Mary was indeed a virgin on up until Jesus birth... But after that she had children! So from that point on she was no longer a virgin, yet still mother to the Lord Jesus.

Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come. - John 2:4

In the roster of saints Apostles and Evangelists are on top of the list. And I would say the Mother Mary in there with them somewhere. But I have no scripture to exalt her any higher than that.

 

[Albion]

Where... Where in scripture do we have commandment to pray or do homage to the Holy Mother Mary

Well, nowhere.

The verse that is often appealed to says only that future generations will call her "blessed." Christians who routinely denounce the idea of taking the Bible literally then insist that this statement means, literally, to "call her" by the word "blessed." Not to revere her memory or honor her, but literally "call" her by that word.

But as we've seen, that's no obstacle to claiming that if we all don't ALSO refer to her as "The most blessed and holy Virgin Mary, Queen of Heaven, redemptrix of the world and dispenser of all graces" etc., then we're showing that we "hate" and are contemptuous (!) of Mary.

Personally, I feel embarrassed for all Christians when I read such stuff put out in the public forum for people who already have a low opinion of religion to read.

 

[His777]

^^^^Good summation above from a well versed brother. We can close this thread as
it's getting pretty weary.

 

[rockytopva]

I do not despise those who honor the Mother Mary, or, as scripture says, to call her blessed. As matter of fact I will do it... The Mother Mary is a blessed and highly exalted woman! Amen...

20 Then came to him the mother of Zebedees children with her sons, worshipping him, and desiring a certain thing of him.
21 And he said unto her, What wilt thou? She saith unto him, Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom.
22 But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able.
23 And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.
24 And when the ten heard it, they were moved with indignation against the two brethren. - Matthew 20

If the Holy Mother Mary was included with those who would sit with the Lord Jesus on the right and the left side I am sure that Jesus would mentioned something about it... But he said...

25 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.
26 But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;
27 And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant: - Matthew 20

 

[Albion]

I do not despise those who honor the Mother Mary, or, as scripture says, to call her blessed. As matter of fact I will do it... The Mother Mary is a blessed and highly exalted woman! Amen...

Understood, but that's been attested to by almost every Protestant posting on this subject, and the result is only to read the same claims made again...except with even more intentionally insulting language!

 

[bbbbbbb]

Understood, but that's been attested to by almost every Protestant posting on this subject, and the result is only to read the same claims made again...except with even more intentionally insulting language!

It seems that some posters are doing their level best to fan flames from the ashes of a totally non-existant fire.

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

It seems that some posters are doing their level best to fan flames from the ashes of a totally non-existant fire.

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[Thekla]

It seems that some posters are doing their level best to fan flames from the ashes of a totally non-existant fire.

Perhaps. Though to call any mother the equivalent of a "vessel" would, at least in some circles, be considered misogynistic ... and that is an area that would at least skid toward the idea of 'hatred'.

And that matter could be explored here ...

 

[rockytopva]

Perhaps. Though to call any mother the equivalent of a "vessel" would, at least in some circles, be considered misogynistic ... and that is an area that would at least skid toward the idea of 'hatred'.

And that matter could be explored here ...

I personally did put her up there with the evangelist and apostles. And she is the mother of Christ Jesus, so not a woman to be belittled or hated. In describing the New Jerusalem...

10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, 11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.


We have twelve gate with the names of the tribes of the children of Israel. We also have twelve foundations with the names of the twelve apostles... But no mention of Mary. Not that she won't be there... Not that her position will not be high... But not that of the apostles or the tribes of Israel.

 

[tadoflamb]

While I have heard others refer to the Blessed Virgin Mary as a 'bit player', a dead sinner who has found no more favor with God than you or I, I would hesitate to equating it to hate. Benign neglect would be a more appropriate assessment as the BVM goes largely ignored by modern non-Catholic Christianity except around Christmas when evangelicals break out their nativity sets.

For myself, I'm actually grateful that the BVM is neglected by the loudest traditions in modern day western Christianity as it was the BVM who led me to her glorious Son. While the icon of Christ has become obscured by these same traditions, through their neglect, they've left the icon of the Blessed Mother relatively intact. Because of this, the Mother still had an appeal to me in a world where Christians had made Christ look terribly unattractive. Like any good mother, the BVM pointed me towards her Son and as a good mother, the Christ she introduced me to has been spared from the fog of denominationalism.

In this way, I don't struggle with the concept of Mary as co-mediatrix as I am a direct beneficiary of her intercessions. I also don't strain over the Marian dogmas. They all make perfect sense to me. So, I'm grateful that modern protestants ignore her. Because of this neglect the BVM can evangelize like no other.