Is there two set of rules one in church and one in the world?

[Bluelion]

The point is that everything you do is mixed with sin. You haven't had a thought that wasn't mixed with sin. If you think you have you don't know what sin is.

That is why we must rest in Christ alone. We have such a tendency to look to ourselves. Christ all and enough for the believer.

Now resting in Him we can seek His honor and glory in our lives. Recognizing that our best is not worthy to be mentioned much less applauded.

yeah speak for your self. I have had plenty of pure thoughts, born out of love for God. I have felt righteous anger, i have felt true peace, i have felt what it means to Love and I do love. Like I said Goodness lives inside me. i don't here to Calvinist thought of total depravity. threads not about that, please don't try to make it about it. thanks.

 

[Bluelion]

No, I don't think it's okay to disregard God's teaching. But trying to do so by your own power is futile. Drawing closer to Christ will, however, make you more like Him, and then you will better follow His teachings.

You pray you catch the bus why your running as fast as you can to catch it.

You pray to God to draw close to Him while your doing everything in your power to draw close to Him. Faith with out works is dead, you should read James.

 

[Bluelion]

Again....sigh....Lord's Supper/Communion is only to be done in church. No other time. I reject the modern day notion of doing communion in a small group setting. I would never participate without the pastor present.

sorry but that is not biblical, it real does not matter what you prefer as it applies to me because it doesn't. Fact is it was first taken at supper with the Lord, and Jesus said do this in remembrances of me. So any time I want to remember Him and want to do it as He said I take it. Nothing wrong with that Biblical speaking. The doctrine of men does not matter, It is the word of God which does.

So if you feel its wrong in your heart to do out side of church, then it is wrong for you to do outside of church, but don't judge those who maybe stronger in faith, as God teaches us through Paul.

 

[Bluelion]

I would like it very much if we could get back to the op which is the two sets of ruless we either have or do not. It would be nice if the people posting would first answer this question, and then explain it.

I do not want to assume what you feel about the question so if you can answer and then start to explain your stance and thought that would be productive. thanks.

 

[Hammster]

You pray you catch the bus why your running as fast as you can to catch it.

You pray to God to draw close to Him while your doing everything in your power to draw close to Him. Faith with out works is dead, you should read James.

Um, okay. Not sure what that has to do with what I said.

 

[mikedsjr]

Oh brother, avoids communion as if its my opinion. I'm out, because I'm about to go uncivil.

 

[Hammster]

This is a civil discussion, if you can not be civil please remove your self until you can.

The question I have is, is there two set of rules? Is there a set of rules we follow in church and set we follow in the world?

If yes please point to the different sets.

No, there's not two sets of rules.

Either you ask this because you do not know the answer and are seeking knowledge, or because you have a point to make. I'll assume the latter.

So what is your point?

 

[IamNazarene]

This is a civil discussion, if you can not be civil please remove your self until you can.

The question I have is, is there two set of rules? Is there a set of rules we follow in church and set we follow in the world?

If yes please point to the different sets.

This is how it works.

You have Jesus

and you have the world.

The world has one LAW, this is the LAW of Sin. (Anything goes do what is fun)

Jesus....

Jesus said if you love me you will keep my commandments.
Jesus sets us free from the bondage of Sin.

So the ruyle Jesus has, is, freedom.

 

[Awaken4Christ]

Sola Scriptura in the church, Sola Scriptura outside the church. The Church isn't a building, nor is it confined in such a way.

 

[Bluelion]

Oh brother, avoids communion as if its my opinion. I'm out, because I'm about to go uncivil.

thank you for restraining yourself, i hope you can return.

 

[Bluelion]

No, there's not two sets of rules.

Either you ask this because you do not know the answer and are seeking knowledge, or because you have a point to make. I'll assume the latter.

So what is your point?

Actually it to attempt to address an issue among Christians. I had a point in mind but I can not bring it up or the whole thread would be about that. I would rather address the issue not the result.

So if we agree there is one set of rules, why do we and I am just as guilty act to different ways? One in church and One out side. Take something small Like cursing. God tells us not to do it, we would never do it in church, yet at home we curse many times. It seems small but I have found the less I curse the more of a shock it is when I hear it and I draw closer to God. God tell us to control our tongue. Now in church we may speak on way to people, but here on the forum we speak another way to people. don't you think we need to act the same in church and out of church. What happens if we do not, Paul spoke to the Jews about this people curse God because of us. That is the result.

I am still debating rather I was to bring up the hot topic or not. I think i could get around it. So for now I am tip toeing.

 

[Bluelion]

This is how it works.

You have Jesus

and you have the world.

The world has one LAW, this is the LAW of Sin. (Anything goes do what is fun)

Jesus....

Jesus said if you love me you will keep my commandments.
Jesus sets us free from the bondage of Sin.

So the ruyle Jesus has, is, freedom.

what is freedom?

 

[Bluelion]

Sola Scriptura in the church, Sola Scriptura outside the church. The Church isn't a building, nor is it confined in such a way.

so we are the church, I was referring to the building and how people act two ways when enter and leaving. You make a good point if we are the body of Christ and the true church, then there is no such things as being out side of church there for there is not two set of rules, Laws, we are always in church so to speak.

 

[twin1954]

Actually it to attempt to address an issue among Christians. I had a point in mind but I can not bring it up or the whole thread would be about that. I would rather address the issue not the result.

So if we agree there is one set of rules, why do we and I am just as guilty act to different ways? One in church and One out side. Take something small Like cursing. God tells us not to do it, we would never do it in church, yet at home we curse many times. It seems small but I have found the less I curse the more of a shock it is when I hear it and I draw closer to God. God tell us to control our tongue. Now in church we may speak on way to people, but here on the forum we speak another way to people. don't you think we need to act the same in church and out of church. What happens if we do not, Paul spoke to the Jews about this people curse God because of us. That is the result.

I am still debating rather I was to bring up the hot topic or not. I think i could get around it. So for now I am tip toeing.

I know what you wanted to address, women pastors. We have had this conversation and your assretions concerning it are false because of the very thing this thread turned into. If we follow the Scriptures we cannot get around them by such logic as you want to use.

 

[now faith]

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It is my personal belief that in God's House ,we should respect the authority of its leadership.
let's say you find yourself attending a Church for your friends sake.

You find yourself at odds with the doctrine being taught.

You Have 2 choices accept the teaching or leave.
You can attend and not believe what is being taught,but keep your mouth shut.

We do not set to create discord in the local Church,we know from the start how many differences there are among the same denomination,let alone one you do not follow.

A forum such as this one I would consider the proper place for theology,and discussions.

For Blue Lion as to his question,I believe the answer is sanctification,or crucify your flesh daily.
I think most of us can relate to the guy cussing out someone who almost caused a car wreck.
Then as people look shocked,as they pass by looking at the I love Jesus bumper sticker on your car.

There is hypocrisy in all of us,even in your home Church the big glad hand smile in Church,is often not given in another venue.

 

[now faith]

Well Avid,I am not aware of all the threads here and what was said.

I did not see the question to be about any one thing,only how we live outside of our Church groups and the real person.
I took it to mean that in Church there is better conduct than out.

God knows who and what we are no matter where we are.

This is a major criticism from non Christians,I'm sure when witnessing you have been told [They are no better than anyone else they are hypocrites]

For me I do not think it is hypocrisy to behave different at work than in Church.

I go to Church in a joyful mood,I go to give God the praise he deserves.

I go to be a blessing to someone hurting,to pray for others in a corporate body.
I believe the local Church is where the true power is,a group of like believers in one accord,has more power than one man alone.
We are commanded to forsake not the assembling of ourselves.

Satan targets Churches for gossip,anger,country club Christians,and Church splits.
If you want to see Hell in Church have a committee pick the carpet and paint for the Church.
The women control a lot of Churches and have authority over the men,you may say no way but the Deacons and elders have wives that can be very persuasive.

I believe this same thing was what Paul was addressing at Antioch,and Corinth.

Now I'm going where I have no business.

I simply have commented on our behavior in and out of Church in that
Just because we are not as inviting out in the world does not make us hypocritical,it makes us human.

 

[now faith]

Quote:For Blue Lion as to his question,I believe the answer is sanctification,or crucify your flesh daily.

 

[now faith]

Abraham lied twice about his wife and slept with Hagar. Noah was just as wicked as his neighbors. He wasn't rewarded. God showed grace.

It's odd I have been pondering this same subject.

The only conclusion I could find as to Abraham telling a lie,was that it happened before the law of Moses and the 10 commandments.

As far as Noah it may have been his being a direct descendant from Adam.

That's not in there so I cannot say it is true,what is stated is what you have said.

Genesis: 6. 8. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

 

[Avid]

Well Avid,I am not aware of all the threads here and what was said.

I did not see the question to be about any one thing,only how we live outside of our Church groups and the real person.
I took it to mean that in Church there is better conduct than out...

Am speaking about this thread speciifically. There are things that happened before that relate, but the problem is here, and with what you are trying to say.

I had tried to say that there is a certain decorum we use in a formal meeting of the Church that we do not use when playing in the backyard. However, if we think it is acceptable to sin outside of Church, but not inside of there, we do not understand.

It's odd I have been pondering this same subject.

The only conclusion I could find as to Abraham telling a lie,was that it happened before the law of Moses and the 10 commandments...

There is a LIE in saying Abraham lied. Sara was his sister. God never rebukes him for it. It was no lie. This is a ploy to excuse our own sin, as people like to say, "Well, Abraham did it, and he got away with it!"

I'll likely not respond anymore because people here seem to like to excuse bad behavior, and lump certain candid speech in with sin. Had already given up on this thread because of that.

 

[Bluelion]

Quote:For Blue Lion as to his question,I believe the answer is sanctification,or crucify your flesh daily.

I tend to agree we stumble sometimes, but If we hold a set of laws in church we should hold them in the world too. We can not say God's law is only for in church not the world, no?