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Do you pray in tongues?

  • Yes!

  • No, I don't believe in tongues.

  • No, But I'd like to recieve that gift.


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My position is found in 1st Corinthians 13:8 "Love never fails, but whether there are prophecies they will fail; whether there are tongues they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. For we know in part and we prophecy in part, but when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away."

In the days of the Apostles new knowledge from God was still being given. The Apostles were receiving knowledge and writing it down as scripture. But finally the Old covenant age completely ended in 70 a.d. when Titus and the roman army came and destroyed Jerusalem and destroyed the Temple and destroyed the Priesthood. When the Old system was done away with it was replaced with the New Covenant and the Church. The Old system had been passing away for a few years and the New Covenant had been replacing it for a while but there was some overlap until the Temple and the Priesthood and the nation of Israel was destroyed. Once all that was completed that which was perfect (The church and the New Covenant) had completely arrived in all it's fullness. And by that point all of the New Testament had been written. So by 70 a.d. there was no more new knowledge given to the Apostles to write down in scripture. Knowledge from God ceased. We have everything we need to know in the Bible. Also there are no new prophecies. The bible gives us all of the principles to live the Christian life. Also, as Paul says when the incomplete Old Covenant system of Temple and Priesthood was done away with and that which is perfect has fully come and been implemented then "tongues shall cease".

New knowledge from God was needed in the transition from the Old Covenant to the new Covenant but when that which was perfect had fully come and that which was imperfect had fully disappeared then there was no more need for any more knowledge. In the same way, when men from every nation were there on the Day of Pentecost there was a need for people to speak different languages which were known to others but which were not known to the people speaking them. That spread the Gospel and gave it a great start. However, that ability passed away and is not how God works now. Now if you want to be a missionary to spain you just need to learn spanish. And now if you claim you are getting knowledge from God and so you can write new scripture you are very mistaken . No knowledge is coming from God except through that which has already been written.

i know I won't change anyone's minds about this especially since relatives you love spoke words that they thought were coming from God in full sincerity. I had relatives I love who did the same thing. But that time has passed. In the Apostolic age there were many miracles. The Apostles could raise the dead. The reason people like the gift of speaking in tongues is because it is easy to fake. Anybody can speak gibberish. But let's see people raise the dead! Or lets see them speak in a language they haven't learned but that is known here on earth so it can be verified that a miralce is occuring. It won't happen because they can't do it. The only thing they can do is the one that can't be proven or disproven.
 
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No, but I do believe that the use of tongues is still a spiritual gift in this day and age. And regarding the passage in 1 Corinthians 13:8, I believe it is referring to the Second Coming and not the Bible. One way I interpret the Bible is that it can't mean for us what it didn't mean for the people living at the time the book was written. Given that in the time frame when Paul wrote the letters to Corinth, the temple was still very much in existence, and Constantine, who was the emperor that made Christianity an official religion as well as commissioned the first Bible, was not yet in power, the only way Paul and for that matter, anyone else living in that time frame, could have known that Titus would eventually destroy the temple and that the entire New Testament would be written down in book form would be either some sort of supernatural vision from God, or that the church at Corinth had invented a time machine that would allow Paul to travel to the future and see the temple being destroyed as well as the first Bible being put together. Conversely, the people living at that time would have known that Jesus would eventually return as many of the people who saw Him were still living, including Paul himself.



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You error if you think that I'm not.

aahhh now Boidae .. would i be that assumptive ? ;) oh but im under a name change ..so maybe you didn't notice who was saying it to you .we've discussed it before .but hey..
how do you know for sure ?
 
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It is unknown tongue to both the person and the Holy Spirit! It is as simple as that! :p

i think you need to rethink what your saying .. the all knowing God ..is now not all knowing ?

it is by the given ability of the Holy Spirit we speak in an unknown tongue ..we are speaking by the spirit to the Spirit [/B-]of course he comprehends beyond our comprehension that which we speak .
 
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My position is found in 1st Corinthians 13:8 "Love never fails, but whether there are prophecies they will fail; whether there are tongues they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. For we know in part and we prophecy in part, but when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away."

In the days of the Apostles new knowledge from God was still being given. The Apostles were receiving knowledge and writing it down as scripture. But finally the Old covenant age completely ended in 70 a.d. when Titus and the roman army came and destroyed Jerusalem and destroyed the Temple and destroyed the Priesthood. When the Old system was done away with it was replaced with the New Covenant and the Church. The Old system had been passing away for a few years and the New Covenant had been replacing it for a while but there was some overlap until the Temple and the Priesthood and the nation of Israel was destroyed. Once all that was completed that which was perfect (The church and the New Covenant) had completely arrived in all it's fullness. And by that point all of the New Testament had been written. So by 70 a.d. there was no more new knowledge given to the Apostles to write down in scripture. Knowledge from God ceased. We have everything we need to know in the Bible. Also there are no new prophecies. The bible gives us all of the principles to live the Christian life. Also, as Paul says when the incomplete Old Covenant system of Temple and Priesthood was done away with and that which is perfect has fully come and been implemented then "tongues shall cease".

New knowledge from God was needed in the transition from the Old Covenant to the new Covenant but when that which was perfect had fully come and that which was imperfect had fully disappeared then there was no more need for any more knowledge. In the same way, when men from every nation were there on the Day of Pentecost there was a need for people to speak different languages which were known to others but which were not known to the people speaking them. That spread the Gospel and gave it a great start. However, that ability passed away and is not how God works now. Now if you want to be a missionary to spain you just need to learn spanish. And now if you claim you are getting knowledge from God and so you can write new scripture you are very mistaken . No knowledge is coming from God except through that which has already been written.

i know I won't change anyone's minds about this especially since relatives you love spoke words that they thought were coming from God in full sincerity. I had relatives I love who did the same thing. But that time has passed. In the Apostolic age there were many miracles. The Apostles could raise the dead. The reason people like the gift of speaking in tongues is because it is easy to fake. Anybody can speak gibberish. But let's see people raise the dead! Or lets see them speak in a language they haven't learned but that is known here on earth so it can be verified that a miralce is occuring. It won't happen because they can't do it. The only thing they can do is the one that can't be proven or disproven.

well obviously that's not the truth :).. i have both been baptised in the holy Ghost and speak in other tongues and i have seen with mine eyes tongues of fire all over a person in a meeting one time ...
here ..in our present age and generation .. so your stance is simply wrong .... shall i believe you or shall i believe the Lord Jesus who promised the Holy Spirit to all -who beleive- (oh there is that word believe again .)

i like what smith wigglesworth said .. "if its in the bible ..it is so "..

we do well to believe it .. remember there is only one reason given in scripture that people do not enter in to Gods promises ..and that is unbelief .
we apply the word of god in our lives we do not impose our intellectual reasoning over the word of God .
 
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i think you need to rethink what your saying .. the all knowing God ..is now not all knowing ?

Yeah, He knows it is gibberish of a person's spirit that lacks self-control--the fruit of the Spirit!

it is by the given ability of the Holy Spirit we speak in an unknown tongue ..we are speaking by the spirit to the Spirit [/B-]of course he comprehends beyond our comprehension that which we speak .


Unsupported by the Bible. Paul said that he spoke with his spirit!
 
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Yeah, He knows it is gibberish of a person's spirit that lacks self-control--the fruit of the Spirit!



Unsupported by the Bible. Paul said that he spoke with his spirit!

we are spirit ...
and is that the best you've got ..to insult it the biblical evidence of the infilling of the Holy Spirit ? somehow that makes you right and all others wrong ?

as i have testified i have been baptized in the holy Spirit and spoken in tongues (more thn one distinctly different tongue .i have observed with my own eyes tongues of fire on some one in a meeting .
im assuming you also don't believe in demon spirits ..? or is only Gods spirit you reject because he does not match your chosen theology ?

or are you one of those who are quiet happy to equate everything you don't understand yet of God ,to be evil and so by implication insinuate that he casts out evil spirit by the spirit of beelzebub as the pharasees did .
 
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we are spirit ...
and is that the best you've got ..to insult it the biblical evidence of the infilling of the Holy Spirit ? somehow that makes you right and all others wrong ?

Am I? The unknown tongue speakers are mocking at the Holy Spirit who has spoken in known tongues to make people understand Him.

as i have testified i have been baptized in the holy Spirit

Only Jesus can baptize with the Holy Spirit for those who are obedient to Him.

and spoken in tongues (more thn one distinctly different tongue

Did anyone interpret what you spoke?

i have observed with my own eyes tongues of fire on some one in a meeting

Interesting! Did he speak in tongue that some could understand without interpretation?

im assuming you also don't believe in demon spirits ..?

I am led by the Holy Spirit, yet demon spirits exist.

or is only Gods spirit you reject because he does not match your chosen theology ?

I test all spirits.

or are you one of those who are quiet happy to equate everything you don't understand yet of God ,to be evil and so by implication insinuate that he casts out evil spirit by the spirit of beelzebub as the pharasees did .

Unknown tongue speaking is not from God!
 
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Am I? The unknown tongue speakers are mocking at the Holy Spirit who has spoken in known tongues to make people understand Him.how do you know ,that's an opinion from a person that has never experienced something .you need to look into the word interpretation..it has a different meaning from the word translation you should be careful not to impose your personal opinion based on a choice to disbelieve ..over the word of God
is God able to do all he has promised ..is his word true .. does the book of acts lie ? because your unwittingly insinuating its not true .
your saying its ceased based on the one verse that says ..it "wil " cease .. which is interesting, because it does NOT say it has ceased only that it will cease ... and it hasn't yet .albeit you seem to wish it was so ...




Only Jesus can baptize with the Holy Spirit for those who are obedient to Him.

and he does -i know :)

Did anyone interpret what you spoke?
how could they they are not present and you speak as if its singular even lol ,it occurs numerous times a week



Interesting! Did he speak in tongue that some could understand without interpretation?
this is only a given guideline for speaking in tongues in a meeting ,a guideline not a rule or law


I am led by the Holy Spirit, yet demon spirits exist.
if you are lead by the holy Spirit why deny he can do all things ?



I test all spirits.
how?



Unknown tongue speaking is not from God! that's your opinion doesn't make you right

whats really your motive i wonder .. you don't enter in because you don't believe and having not entered into his promises you wish to bar the way for others also ?
 
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aahhh now Boidae .. would i be that assumptive ? ;) oh but im under a name change ..so maybe you didn't notice who was saying it to you .we've discussed it before .but hey..
how do you know for sure ?

I know to whom I was speaking, michaelmynameis.

How do I know for sure? You really need to ask that question?

The debate about tongues has gone on long before us and we will continue to go on long after us. You believe all, I believe some.

Why don't we just leave it at that, okay?
 
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whats really your motive i wonder .. you don't enter in because you don't believe and having not entered into his promises you wish to bar the way for others also ?

RT wrote: Am I? The unknown tongue speakers are mocking at the Holy Spirit who has spoken in known tongues to make people understand Him.

how do you know ,that's an opinion from a person that has never experienced something .you need to look into the word interpretation..it has a different meaning from the word translation you should be careful not to impose your personal opinion based on a choice to disbelieve ..over the word of God

Should I die to talk about death? Should I be possessed with evil spirit to warn about it? I don't have to believe and apply to myself to what was written to immature believers!

is God able to do all he has promised ..is his word true .. does the book of acts lie ?

Luke was not a witness of many things recorded in the Acts. The two narrations of the appearance of the Lord to Paul are not identical and contradictory! Luke might not have been lying, but the information collected from different sources may not be accurate!

because your unwittingly insinuating its not true .
your saying its ceased based on the one verse that says ..it "wil " cease .. which is interesting, because it does NOT say it has ceased only that it will cease ... and it hasn't yet .albeit you seem to wish it was so ...

When Paul wrote I Corinthians to immature believers in notorious Corinthian church, the Gospel books and other writings were not there. With the availability of the Gospel books, our knowledge of the Savior is sufficiently complete that automatically discourages from seeking milk instead of meat.

Did anyone interpret what you spoke?
how could they they are not present and you speak as if its singular even lol ,it occurs numerous times a week

If you are alone, what you do and speak do not bother me.

RT wrote: Interesting! Did he speak in tongue that some could understand without interpretation?

this is only a given guideline for speaking in tongues in a meeting ,a guideline not a rule or law

Then, you don't accept what Paul wrote!

RT wrote: I am led by the Holy Spirit, yet demon spirits exist.

if you are lead by the holy Spirit why deny he can do all things ?

Even self-mocking?

RT wrote: I test all spirits.


By studying the writings. Not based on one author, one verse, one book and one chapter! Furthermore, it should complement the preaching of Jesus.

RT wrote: Unknown tongue speaking is not from God!

that's your opinion doesn't make you right
whats really your motive i wonder .. you don't enter in because you don't believe and having not entered into his promises you wish to bar the way for others also ?

Important belief should be supported by the preaching of Jesus; otherwise, it is a blind and misleading belief!
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I know to whom I was speaking, michaelmynameis.

How do I know for sure? You really need to ask that question?

The debate about tongues has gone on long before us and we will continue to go on long after us. You believe all, I believe some.

Why don't we just leave it at that, okay?

it has gone on long and hard lol ..
still im happy to leave it as is for now ..
to be fair ..if you asked me the same question it would take some extremely long posts to tell my whole story of how i "know " ..because the testimony of his relationship in and with me spans decades .as it does for you .
:)
id have times to tell of tears, of deliverance of dreams and vision of prophecy healing and great victories .of visitation and audible voice
-and all nothing if from them i do not learn to love .

for if i am to boast in anything let it be that he in me, LOVES .
 
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Should I die to talk about death? Should I be possessed with evil spirit to warn about it? <snip for length>

Important belief should be supported by the preaching of Jesus; otherwise, it is a blind and misleading belief!
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the over dissection of posts i find in itself but a form of distraction.

should we testify of what we theorize ? that is only a testimony of personal theory .

true testimony of God and the things of god can only come from what we have experientially seen ,heard ,touched ,tasted .
John testifies of the Lord Jesus saying "and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

and again -That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched--this we proclaim concerning the Word of life.

Paul also testified of him ..having seen him .
we all testify of our faith in him having been given his seal of approval .acknowledge by him
as it shows plain as day in the book of acts
He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed?(paul acknowledges that they are already believers ) And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.(they then acknowledge that though they are believers they have not received or even know about the Holy Ghost-this plainly displays believing does not automatically mean receiving )
And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.(here is displayed the evidence of the baptism of the holy Spirit to them who received gods acknowledgment of their faith in him )

and again " And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; this shows us that when we are become believers God bears witness to us by the infilling of the holy Ghost ... he acknowledges our faith .... this is how we know we are indeed saved .

so yes .. we must die to testify of death
i testify of deliverance because at 16 i had an evil spirit cast out of me .. years later i was delivered from 15 years of night terrors (a repetitive nightmare ) which after that i never ever had again.

i testify of answered prayer because i prayed and he answered my prayers
i testify of healing because i had a tumor on my face and after asking god to heal it ..it fell off my face ..

we cannot testify of what we have not heard seen or touched .
we are only speaking of ideas and theories if we do that . in court it would be called hearsay ..not valid testimony
 
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the over dissection of posts i find in itself but a form of distraction.

should we testify of what we theorize ? that is only a testimony of personal theory .

Our personal theory should conform to the preaching and life of Jesus, is it not?

true testimony of God and the things of god can only come from what we have experientially seen ,heard ,touched ,tasted .

Right. We should make sure that it has come from the true God.

John testifies of the Lord Jesus saying "and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

and again -That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched--this we proclaim concerning the Word of life.

Excellent testimony!

He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed?(paul acknowledges that they are already believers ) And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.(they then acknowledge that though they are believers they have not received or even know about the Holy Ghost-this plainly displays believing does not automatically mean receiving )
And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.(here is displayed the evidence of the baptism of the holy Spirit to them who received gods acknowledgment of their faith in him )

They spake in tongues and prophesied that was understood by others present. That is evidence of the Holy Spirit, not unknown tongue that required interpretation.

and again " And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; this shows us that when we are become believers God bears witness to us by the infilling of the holy Ghost ... he acknowledges our faith .... this is how we know we are indeed saved .

The fruit of the Spirit is the evidence of being saved, not gifts.

so yes .. we must die to testify of death
i testify of deliverance because at 16 i had an evil spirit cast out of me .. years later i was delivered from 15 years of night terrors (a repetitive nightmare ) which after that i never ever had again.

i testify of answered prayer because i prayed and he answered my prayers
i testify of healing because i had a tumor on my face and after asking god to heal it ..it fell off my face ..

we cannot testify of what we have not heard seen or touched .
we are only speaking of ideas and theories if we do that . in court it would be called hearsay ..not valid testimony

Such things are observed in other religions and different sects and denominations. Unknown tongue does come into the picture at all!
 
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..........edited for insert
Our personal theory should conform to the preaching and life of Jesus, is it not?no . our personal testimony should be about the truth of the Power of God at work in us .according to the words of the lord Jesus who said he will give the holy Spirit to any one who asks - and then in acts it shows what happens when people receive the holy Spirit .. put the two together and neither have ceased for as sure as the lord is true ..his words are faithful and he is faithful to his word -thus to even remotely imply that one has ceased is to imply the other has cased ..which results in saying that Jesus lied .. and that is not possible .



Right. We should make sure that it has come from the true God.



Excellent testimony!



They spake in tongues and prophesied that was understood by others present. That is evidence of the Holy Spirit, not unknown tongue that required interpretation. please point out the part where it states anyone understood the languages (tongues) they spoke .. it does not say that .. your imposing an opinion onto the bible then trying to establish a doctrine with your opinion as its foundation .. its not honest to do that ,



The fruit of the Spirit is the evidence of being saved, not gifts.
the witness of the holy spirit to us that god has acknowledged us and accepted our faith is evidence to us ..'the "seal and down-payment "
the fruits are evidence to others and a different topic



Such things are observed in other religions and different sects and denominations. Unknown tongue does come into the picture at all!
iv heard these claims before but they are in themselves hear say about hearsay
 
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Our personal theory should conform to the preaching and life of Jesus, is it not?



In that case you appear to be a follower of Paul, not of Jesus then!


our personal testimony should be about the truth of the Power of God at work in us .according to the words of the lord Jesus who said he will give the holy Spirit to any one who asks

How can the power of God is going to be different from what Jesus preached? The Holy Spirit will not be given to all those who ask!

Acts 5
32 And we are witnesses of these things; and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey Him
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- and then in acts it shows what happens when people receive the holy Spirit .. put the two together and neither have ceased for as sure as the lord is true ..his words are faithful and he is faithful to his word -thus to even remotely imply that one has ceased is to imply the other has cased ..which results in saying that Jesus lied .. and that is not possible .

There are number of cases wherein people did not speak in tongue after baptism, that too unknown tongue! Not all spoke unknown tongue!

They spake in tongues and prophesied that was understood by others present. That is evidence of the Holy Spirit, not unknown tongue that required interpretation.

please point out the part where it states anyone understood the languages (tongues) they spoke .. it does not say that .. your imposing an opinion onto the bible then trying to establish a doctrine with your opinion as its foundation .. its not honest to do that

Throughout the book of Acts the Holy Spirit spoke through a person in an existing foreign language that was not known to the speaker but understood by people present, hence no interpreter was required. That is the great work of the Holy Spirit. No interpreter was required!

In Corinth immature people were imitating what happened on Pentecost. Paul put an end to that by saying that no one should speak an unknown tongue with his spirit without interpreter.

the witness of the holy spirit to us that god has acknowledged us and accepted our faith is evidence to us ..'the "seal and down-payment "
the fruits are evidence to others and a different topic

Unknown tongue speaking is for unbelievers. Fruit is for everybody. Do you have unbelievers always in your church?

Such things are observed in other religions and different sects and denominations. Unknown tongue does come into the picture at all!

iv heard these claims before but they are in themselves hear say about hearsay

That can be said of what was happening in Corinth!
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I've been asking for this gift for years. Still nothing
That's because God wants you to have the best gifts (1 Cor 12:31). Paul said he would rather speak 5 words with his understanding than 10,000 words in an unknown tongue (1 Cor 14:19). That should give you a clue.
 
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That's because God wants you to have the best gifts (1 Cor 12:31). Paul said he would rather speak 5 words with his understanding than 10,000 words in an unknown tongue (1 Cor 14:19). That should give you a clue.

however Paul only meant "best ", as in, the most advantageous to other believers when congregated .at no time did he apply one gift as better then another in any other manner ..only in respect to a gathering of believers .

im amazed how folks take that singular scenario and try to impose on every aspect of life .when its plainly not the case
 
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In that case you appear to be a follower of Paul, not of Jesus then!




How can the power of God is going to be different from what Jesus preached? The Holy Spirit will not be given to all those who ask!

Acts 5
32 And we are witnesses of these things; and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey Him
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There are number of cases wherein people did not speak in tongue after baptism, that too unknown tongue! Not all spoke unknown tongue!



Throughout the book of Acts the Holy Spirit spoke through a person in an existing foreign language that was not known to the speaker but understood by people present, hence no interpreter was required. That is the great work of the Holy Spirit. No interpreter was required!

In Corinth immature people were imitating what happened on Pentecost. Paul put an end to that by saying that no one should speak an unknown tongue with his spirit without interpreter.



Unknown tongue speaking is for unbelievers. Fruit is for everybody. Do you have unbelievers always in your church?

Such things are observed in other religions and different sects and denominations. Unknown tongue does come into the picture at all!



That can be said of what was happening in Corinth!
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doesn't make any difference ..it was you who claimed they spoke in a tongue that others could understand even though it is not written that they did .. your adding in assumption as though its fact .. thats not really an honest approach
as for the rest ..you dissect the posts so much its hard to follow what the discussion is . just quote and answer posts as a whole ..it avoids misrepresented what folks have said :)
 
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Paul once said that he could wish to be accursed from Christ if it would mean the salvation of his Jewish brethren. He loved and cared THAT much for others that he was more than willing to lose all he had for their good. One of the worst aspects of the pentecostal/charismatic movement that I have ever witnessed is the amount of pride which seems to ooze from it. That pride is demonstrated over and over by those who MUST continue an argument to justify themselves. It has always saddened me greatly to see such UN-spiritual fruit being displayed by some who have been so blessed to have received this wonderful gift. I, for one, would GLADLY give up the Holy Spirit baptism I have enjoyed for so many years, if it could bring an end to such dissension and strife.

My baptism was NOT the source of my salvation. My salvation is dependent SOLELY on the death, burial, and resurrection of my Lord. While I cherish this further blessing, if losing it could bring peace within the Body, I'd give it heartily.
 
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