Why Parallax doesn't work

[[serious]]

They were among the first on the googled list. I never even read their opinion about it. Couldn't care less. One cannot win the creation debate trying to use present day physics for the future and past. Someone tell them that.

Did you not read the article to see if it actually supported your position?

 

[[serious]]

Right, that's why astronomers are constantly surprised by that electrical activity in space, because they look into things not in their little box. Uhh huh, if you say so. You mean the data doesn't fit their pre-concieved ideas, and so is ignored after it surprises them.

This thread is about parallax, does the EU crowd now reject parallax?

 

[Queller]

Yes. Anything in our earth area and timespace must obey the rules here! Not bad, you caught that much.

What is your evidence for that claim?

This timespace and universe is temporary. Would that qualify as indefinite enough for you?

If you don't know when something ends, by definition it is indefinite, contrary to your earlier claim.

I'd have to give that a think.

You don't know what to call it but what I called it is wrong?

That has a nice ring to it.. .."a place where time and space are not like here." It makes Twilight Zone and X files seem like Anne of Green Gables!

Almost like a song..

Somewhere over the rainbow, where love fills the air, in a place where time and space are not like here.

Somewhere, tomorrow, forever will replace the years, time will be no more, and stars will all be near.

I think your meds are wearing off.

 

[Queller]

Doesn't matter if you personallt made that claim. Mainstream does, and you accept mainstreams claims of the universe age, distance, etc, so you accept their claims as well.

You stated I made a claim about something. I did not. Therefore you are a liar.

Are you know claiming you don't believe the universe is increasing in expansion? Or are you just not claiming anything at all which makes your post worthless?

What I know is very different than what I claimed.

Are you going to respond to this or not

I'm not aware of anything related to Special Relativity that claims 13.8 billion years in the rest of the universe would appear as 6,000 years here on earth. Do you have a link?

 

[dad]

Did you not read the article to see if it actually supported your position?

The AIG article is irrelevant, I was looking for the Dodwell citations. The date he used corresponds exactly.

 

[dad]

This thread is about parallax, does the EU crowd now reject parallax?

Ha

 

[dad]

What is your evidence for that claim?

The evidence declares that the laws are obeyed on and near earth. The bible clues us into how there is more involved in the heavens.

If you don't know when something ends, by definition it is indefinite, contrary to your earlier claim.

False. We know this world will end as it now is. The exact dates are not required to know that.


Parallax then, is useless. It may be good for just distances if we get a big crowbar and separate all time that is woven into the lightyears. However, even the distance depends on the timespace we live in. A base line is HERE. Any space and distance here has to include time if it is part of our time, and our timespace!

Bottom line science doesn't know.

 

[Queller]

Except everything expanded nowhere, stayed in the exact same spot during the entire sequence. No outward motion whatsoever. Apparently you don't understand what your own claim was.

You're absolutely hilarious. Are you even watching the same video I am? Even if your EU hypothesis was correct, the movement of current from the star to the ring shows a linear progression of time.

 

[Loudmouth]

No they wouldn't. If the speed of c was c+v one way and c-v the other, it would appear in the two way measurement as c.

It would show up in the intensity of distant stars, and their spectra. The color of a star is determined by how hot it is fusing hydrogen. The rate of hydrogen fusion is a balancing act between the the outward pressure produced by fusion and the inward pressure caused by gravity. Since E=mc^2, change the speed of light and you change the outward pressure of fusion energy. Change that, and you change everything about how stars act. No such differences are seen in distant stars meaning that the speed of light is constant throughout the universe.

Don't try that Fairie Dust with me, don't try illogical statements and try to claim them as logic. The physics on earth requires the two-way measurement of light, just as it does from any place in the universe. You don't measure the speed of c from the star to you. You measure it after it passes one clock (in this frame) and reflects off of a mirror (in this frame) and back to the clock (which is still in "this" frame). It's two-way measurement. (c+ or -v) as it approaches the moving mirror and (c- or +v) as it leaves the mirror. The mirror nor clocks are NOT stationary, no matter how much you want it to be so in your pseudo-science of inertial frames in a universe undergoing increasing acceleration at all points in spacetime.

Yet more physics you don't understand.

 

[Loudmouth]

It would not be prudent to make things up when you do not know what the time is like there. That should be obvious.

We do know what time is like there, because we can directly observe the passage of time at the star.

Question for you. How do you know that a clock across the room is ticking at the correct rate?


Bet you can't even answer that one.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Peleg was no named when he was 200. What nonsense is this?

Your words, not mine

That would place the split somewhere later in Peleg's life. Depending on which dates we use. I think if we went by Usher's dates, it may put Peleg somewhere just under 200 years ols when the division or split happened (nature/state change). That would mean that NO ONE lived longer than a few hundred years after this.

 

[Strathos]

So what are you saying? A pumpkin sized star could deflect light?

Yes, as long as it had mass. But unless it was unrealistically dense, you would need incredibly sensitive equipment to detect it.

 

[Queller]

The evidence declares that the laws are obeyed on and near earth. The bible clues us into how there is more involved in the heavens.

And why does that evidence not apply elsewhere? What is teh evidence that time runs/moves/passes differently elsewhere in the universe.

False. We know this world will end as it now is. The exact dates are not required to know that.

And knowing that something will end does not invalidate it's length being indefinite. Only knowing when it will end, makes something definite.

Parallax then, is useless. It may be good for just distances if we get a big crowbar and separate all time that is woven into the lightyears. However, even the distance depends on the timespace we live in. A base line is HERE. Any space and distance here has to include time if it is part of our time, and our timespace!

Do you ever proofread before you put fingers to keyboard? This makes no sense.

Bottom line science doesn't know.

Science does know, you don't.

 

[dad]

We do know what time is like there, because we can directly observe the passage of time at the star.

I challenge that claim.


Support this.

Question for you. How do you know that a clock across the room is ticking at the correct rate?

I have no reason to doubt it.

 

[dad]

Your words, not mine

I didn't say Peleg was named at 200 years old, nothing remotely similar.

One cannot deny that there is no better explanation of the change in life spans than the nature change in Peleg's day.

 

[dad]

Yes, as long as it had mass. But unless it was unrealistically dense, you would need incredibly sensitive equipment to detect it.

Then why bring it up at all? Are you saying that the gravitational lensing we see could also happen with real small stars?

 

[TLK Valentine]

I have no reason to doubt it.

But you don't know for sure -- Time could be moving at a different speed on the other side of the room...

 

[dad]

And why does that evidence not apply elsewhere?

Why do you not apply everywhere!!?

What is teh evidence that time runs/moves/passes differently elsewhere in the universe.

What is the evidence that time runs/moves/passes the same elsewhere in the universe?

The bible says the stars were made for times here!

And knowing that something will end does not invalidate it's length being indefinite. Only knowing when it will end, makes something definite.

Whatever you know or do not know will never change what God said about this world not being permanent!

Science does know, you don't.

Science does not know. God does.

 

[dad]

But you don't know for sure -- Time could be moving at a different speed on the other side of the room...

Why would any rational person care if a clock was a tiny fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a second faster or slower anywhere on earth? What sort of diversion attempt is this?

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Why would any rational person care if a clock was a tiny fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a second faster or slower anywhere on earth? What sort of diversion attempt is this?

You've lost interest in alternate state situations? I thought that was your baby!