An attempt to eliminate God.

[listed]

Legalist, whose root word is "Legal", meaning within the proper boundary of the Law. Satan always accuses the obedient, since he himself is an illegalist, a disobedient lawless one, self-righteous, which maketh his own laws apart from God's.

Therefore, these things, are proper, and I accept them as my lot, even as the Scripture defines them:

Matthew 5:11 KJB - Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.


I am called "fringe"...

FRINGE:

Numbers 15:38 KJB - Speak unto the children of Israel, and bid them that they make them fringes in the borders of their garments throughout their generations, and that they put upon the fringe of the borders a ribband of blue:

Numbers 15:39 KJB - And it shall be unto you for a fringe, that ye may look upon it, and remember all the commandments of the LORD, and do them; and that ye seek not after your own heart and your own eyes, after which ye use to go a whoring:

Blue Sapphire Law of God - See Exodus 24:10-12; Ezekiel 1:26-28, 10:1


I am called "sect":

SECT:

Acts 24:5 KJB - For we have found this man a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes:

Acts 28:22 KJB - But we desire to hear of thee what thou thinkest: for as concerning this sect, we know that every where it is spoken against.


I am called "alarmist":


ALARMIST:

Joel 2:1 KJB - Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;

I am called "conspiricist":


CONSPIRICIST:

Jeremiah 11:9 KJB - And the LORD said unto me, A conspiracy is found among the men of Judah, and among the inhabitants of Jerusalem.

Isaiah 8:12 KJB - Say ye not, A confederacy, to all them to whom this people shall say, A confederacy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be afraid.


I am called "tiny, insignificant, few":

TINY LITTLE GROUP:

Revelation 12:17 KJB - And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Zechariah 8:12 KJB - For the seed shall be prosperous; the vine shall give her fruit, and the ground shall give her increase, and the heavens shall give their dew; and I will cause the remnant of this people to possess all these things.

Ezekiel 5:1 KJB - And thou, son of man, take thee a sharp knife, take thee a barber's razor, and cause [it] to pass upon thine head and upon thy beard: then take thee balances to weigh, and divide the [hair].

Ezekiel 5:2 KJB - Thou shalt burn with fire a third part in the midst of the city, when the days of the siege are fulfilled: and thou shalt take a third part, [and] smite about it with a knife: and a third part thou shalt scatter in the wind; and I will draw out a sword after them.

Ezekiel 5:3 KJB - Thou shalt also take thereof a few in number, and bind them in thy skirts.

Ezekiel 5:4 KJB - Then take of them again, and cast them into the midst of the fire, and burn them in the fire; [for] thereof shall a fire come forth into all the house of Israel.


I am called "narrow minded":


NARROW/NARROW MINDED:

Matthew 7:14 KJB - Because strait is the gate, and narrowis the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

John 14:6 KJB - Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Philippians 2:5 KJB - Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

1 Peter 4:1 KJB - Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;


I am called "closed minded":


CLOSED/CLOSED MINDED:

Revelation 7:4 KJB - And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.


I am called "hard headed":


HARD HEADED:

Exodus 28:36 KJB - And thou shalt make a plate [of] pure gold, and grave upon it, [like] the engravings of a signet, HOLINESS TO THE LORD.

Exodus 28:37 KJB - And thou shalt put it on a blue lace, that it may be upon the mitre; upon the forefront of the mitre it shall be.

Exodus 28:38 KJB - And it shall be upon Aaron's forehead, that Aaron may bear the iniquity of the holy things, which the children of Israel shall hallow in all their holy gifts; and it shall be always upon his forehead, that they may be accepted before the LORD.

Ezekiel 3:8 KJV - Behold, I have made thy face strong against their faces, and thy forehead strong against their foreheads.

Ezekiel 3:9 KJV - As an adamant harder than flint have I made thy forehead: fear them not, neither be dismayed at their looks, though they [be] a rebellious house.

Revelation 14:1 KJB - And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

1 Samuel 2:2 KJB - There isnone holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.

Matthew 21:44 KJB - And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

Luke 20:18 KJB - Whosoever shall fall upon that stone shall be broken; but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

Acts 6:9 KJV - Then there arose certain of the synagogue, which is called [the synagogue] of the Libertines, and Cyrenians, and Alexandrians, and of them of Cilicia and of Asia, disputing with Stephen.

Acts 6:10 KJV - And they were not able to resist the wisdom and the spirit by which he spake.

I am called "heretic":

HERESY:

Acts 24:14 KJB - But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:


And then so be it, I am all those things as defined above... and they are endearing to me.

Your above argument does you no favors. Maybe you are sending a hidden message with your chosen font.

 

[listed]

You certainly will not promote the idea to become a Jews just because you live there. There is more to it than that. Would one be required not to steal just because he lived in Jerusalem? Isaiah 56 does not speak of Live in Jerusalem but requires the same of the stranger.

Which means if you are not there physically it does not apply to you (us).

 

[maco]

Which means if you are not there physically it does not apply to you (us).

If you were not connected to God's in some way you were considered the other nations and you know how God felt about the other nations. God is calling all nations to be part of His government which has one Lord and one Law.

 

[listed]

If you were not connected to God's in some way you were considered the other nations and you know how God felt about the other nations. God is calling all nations to be part of His government which has one Lord and one Law.

Not according to the promise given to Abraham.

 

[Elder 111]

In a nutshell, you demand that Jesus violated the Law by the way you apply Mark 2:27. Then, you quote another verse from the Law that indicates your application to include "all men" is wrong. When you get to Mark 2:28, you're left scratching your head wondering how the Son of Man could be Lord of the Sabbath because He retains sovereignty over the Sabbath, as it wasn't applicable to Himself - the passage declares His divinity.

Those seeking to apply the Law to themselves stop at nothing to strip the Law of its Holiness, and violate it to promote a truncated version that is unholy. That's Adventism in its essence. You haven't moved to Israel, and you don't have the Sabbath made only for those who received the covenant from Mount Sinai. Jesus didn't violate the Law. That's what you're doing.

This is magnificent! Those who say that God's Holy Ten commandments law is required by God of all Christians are the ones promoting the violation of the law, while those that say it is not for Christians are upholding the law. Simply magnificent!! Isa 5: Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

 

[Elder 111]

Theft was outlawed in more than one legal system, so that's irrelevant.

Originating from who if not God? All that does is to perfectly show that it was not for the Jews alone along with the whole of the Ten Commandments.

 

[Elder 111]

Which means if you are not there physically it does not apply to you (us).

Not according to Isaiah 56. Acts 15 says that the gentles would be of the rebuilding of the tabernalce.
15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

 

[maco]

Not according to Isaiah 56. Acts 15 says that the gentles would be of the rebuilding of the tabernalce.
15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

I think it's time to kick the dust off our shoes.

 

[Sophrosyne]

I think it's time to kick the dust off our shoes.

Like I was once telling another guy who left, you are doing us a favor posting here giving everyone passing by a chance to see how illogical your arguments are for keeping the 10 commandments for Christians.

 

[VictorC]

Like I was once telling another guy who left, you are doing us a favor posting here giving everyone passing by a chance to see how illogical your arguments are for keeping the 10 commandments for Christians.

True. Nothing beats the message straight from the horse's mouth.

 

[VictorC]

This is magnificent! Those who say that God's Holy Ten commandments law is required by God of all Christians are the ones promoting the violation of the law, while those that say it is not for Christians are upholding the law. Simply magnificent!!

It's obvious that you're misrepresenting my post.

You advocated the notion of Jesus violating the Law, which contradicts the limited jurisdiction of the Sabbath He told Moses it had.
That unBiblical gymnastic you resorted to is to endorse your violation of the Law's testimony.
That makes you a law-breaker.
You haven't found one iota of support for your weird opinion that Christians should abandon God's rest and revert to the Sabbath God never conveyed to us. We have a Biblical unction to strive to enter into His rest, which is a commandment of God you obviously have no desire for.

Isa 5: Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

Odd how you quote passages that condemn your own practice.

 

[The Fundamentalist]

Jesus will execute the death penalty, for the wages for sin [1 John 3:4] is 2nd Death, for Jesus is the LORD of the Sabbath and is the one without sin.

See John 14:15, and read it together with Exodus 20:6. What Commandments then is Jesus specifically referring to?

Turn to Isaiah 56, and read vs 1 and then vs 8. Who is it speaking of? Hint, turn to John 10:16 and then turn to the Crucifixion of Jesus. now go back and read Isaiah 56:2-7 in its proper context, and ask your self what "covenant" is being spoken of there.

Isaiah 56:1 KJV - Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation [is] near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.

Isaiah 56:2 KJV - Blessed [is] the man [that] doeth this, and the son of man [that] layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.

Isaiah 56:3 KJV - Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I [am] a dry tree.

Isaiah 56:4 KJV - For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose [the things] that please me, and take hold of my covenant;

Isaiah 56:5 KJV - Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.

Isaiah 56:6 KJV - Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;

Isaiah 56:7 KJV - Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices [shall be] accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

Isaiah 56:8 KJV - The Lord GOD which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather [others] to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.

John 10:16 KJV - And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one shepherd.
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Now turn to Isaiah 8:14,15, and tell me who it is speaking of according to the New Testament in these verses, Romans 9:33; 1 Peter 2:8, etc, then turn back to Isaiah 8:18 [My children], and turn to Hosea 11:1 [Israel my Son]; Matthew 2:15 [My Son out of Egypt]; Hebrews 2:10 [many sons unto glory, thus His children], and then turn to Exodus 31:16, and ask yourself who is Israel then, and who are His children, and what are they to do? Then turn back to Isaiah 8:15, and read it again, and again ask who is this speaking of, and then read one more verse Isaiah 8:16, and then ask yourself, whose "Disciples" and then what "Law" and what "Testimony" was to be "sealed" among them? Now turn to Jeremiah 31:31-34, and ask what "My Law" was to be written upon the heart, just read through Jeremiah to see.

Isaiah 8:14 KJV - And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.

Isaiah 8:15 KJV - And many among them shall stumble, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken.

Isaiah 8:16 KJV - Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.

Isaiah 8:17 KJV - And I will wait upon the LORD, that hideth his face from the house of Jacob, and I will look for him.

Isaiah 8:18 KJV - Behold, I and the children whom the LORD hath given me [are] for signs and for wonders in Israel from the LORD of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion.

Isaiah 8:20 KJV - To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them.

Romans 9:33 KJV - As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

1 Peter 2:8 KJV - And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, [even to them] which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

Hosea 11:1 KJV - When Israel [was] a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.

Matthew 2:15 KJV - And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.

Hebrews 2:10 KJV - For it became him, for whom [are] all things, and by whom [are] all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

Exodus 31:13 KJV - Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it [is] a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that [ye] may know that I [am] the LORD that doth sanctify you.

Exodus 31:14 KJV - Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it [is] holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth [any] work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

Exodus 31:15 KJV - Six days may work be done; but in the seventh [is] the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth [any] work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

Exodus 31:16 KJV - Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, [for] a perpetual covenant.

Exodus 31:17 KJV - It [is] a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
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There are many others, and especially from the NT itself. Let me know, if you would like them.

Q. Whom is James citing?:

Acts 15:15 KJV - And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,

Acts 15:16 KJV - After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

Acts 15:17 KJV - That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

Acts 15:18 KJV - Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.

Acts 15:19 KJV - Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
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Q. Where are the following items being quoted from?

Acts 15:20 KJV - But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and [from] fornication, and [from] things strangled, and [from] blood.
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Q. What is a synonym for the word "for" here?:

Acts 15:21 KJV - For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
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[listed]

It's obvious that you're misrepresenting my post.

You advocated the notion of Jesus violating the Law, which contradicts the limited jurisdiction of the Sabbath He told Moses it had.
That unBiblical gymnastic you resorted to is to endorse your violation of the Law's testimony.
That makes you a law-breaker.
You haven't found one iota of support for your weird opinion that Christians should abandon God's rest and revert to the Sabbath God never conveyed to us. We have a Biblical unction to strive to enter into His rest, which is a commandment of God you obviously have no desire for.

Odd how you quote passages that condemn your own practice.

Who plays in the shadows and why?

 

[Elder 111]

It's obvious that you're misrepresenting my post.

You advocated the notion of Jesus violating the Law, which contradicts the limited jurisdiction of the Sabbath He told Moses it had.
That unBiblical gymnastic you resorted to is to endorse your violation of the Law's testimony.
That makes you a law-breaker.
You haven't found one iota of support for your weird opinion that Christians should abandon God's rest and revert to the Sabbath God never conveyed to us. We have a Biblical unction to strive to enter into His rest, which is a commandment of God you obviously have no desire for.

Odd how you quote passages that condemn your own practice.

There is no commandment to rest but that of Ex 20:8-11.
Isaiah 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
Christains are not to honour the Lord?????

 

[VictorC]

There is no commandment to rest but that of Ex 20:8-11.

That isn't true, and you know it from past posts. Citing the old covenant you're determined to violate -and erroneously claim that Jesus also violated- denies Jesus' role as the Mediator of the new covenant. The Sabbath was never given to you as a Gentile in a foreign land.

Isaiah 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
Christains are not to honour the Lord?????

So instead of following the Biblical unction to enter into God's rest, your goal is to adopt the old covenant shadow that is periiodic and ends as many times as it repeats. That isn't God's rest.

You have done all you can to deflect attention from your claims. I don't think it is because you can't follow a conversation. I'm convinced you know what you post and know that you're in complete error.

 

[VictorC]

Who plays in the shadows and why?

Not sure if I understand your question. The Sabbath was a shadow of God's rest, which we have no need for once it has led us to God's rest that remained a promise during the tenure of the Mosaic covenant.

 

[maco]

Not sure if I understand your question. The Sabbath was a shadow of God's rest, which we have no need for once it has led us to God's rest that remained a promise during the tenure of the Mosaic covenant.

That's just a man made interpretation that was used to do away with the seventh day Sabbath. Jesus taught us how to honor the seventh day. The seventh day will be honored in the millennium, along with all the other commandments. God is preparing a people right now to rule and reign with Christ in the millennium. Practice the Law now so you will know what to teach in the millennium, that is if you are there to rule and reign with Christ and not to be retaught with a rod of iron.

 

[VictorC]

That's just a man made interpretation that was used to do away with the seventh day Sabbath. Jesus taught us how to honor the seventh day. The seventh day will be honored in the millennium, along with all the other commandments. God is preparing a people right now to rule and reign with Christ in the millennium. Practice the Law now so you will know what to teach in the millennium, that is if you are there to rule and reign with Christ and not to be retaught with a rod of iron.

Scripture isn't subject to private interpretation. Your claim is merely a method to dispose of Pauline epistles that are divinely inspired.

 

[Cribstyl]

That's just a man made interpretation that was used to do away with the seventh day Sabbath.

That's a big lie maco. The scriptures ask; What's the purpose of the law?.... What is the answer maco? Read it;

Gal 3:19
Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

So, the scriptures say that the law serve because of sin until Jesus should come.

Jesus taught us how to honor the seventh day.

Another big lie maco. After His annointing Jesus served as more than priests who also had authority to work on the sabbath. Jesus was found defending His works on the sabbath rather than teaching how to honor the sabbath.

 

[listed]

Not sure if I understand your question. The Sabbath was a shadow of God's rest, which we have no need for once it has led us to God's rest that remained a promise during the tenure of the Mosaic covenant.

You are relating my use of the word only to types and shadows. It goes much farther.